Rock music: moving deeper into the second decade of the new millennium

  • andreduce

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    Mar 07, 2013 4:19 AM GMT
    So, this is something that has been on my mind awhile, and I thought it might help me to get it off my chest a bit and put it into words.

    To start off, let me be clear, this is not a bashing of any particular artist's music. We all have our own personal tastes, and those artists who have become successful in their own work deserve all the recognition they can geticon_smile.gif

    As I look back on the past 10-12 years, while I have moved from jr high, to high school, then undergrad, then grad, and finally to a working adult, I have taken notice to a change in musical taste among (young) people around my age, and also younger. Back in the early 2000s, I and my friends had many genres of music as an interest, which PROMINENTLY included hard and alternative rock music. That included bands like Linkin Park (when they HAD electric guitars as their main instrumental sound), Theory of a Deadman, Nickelback, Default (remember them?), Chevelle, Breaking Benjamin, Trapt, Stone sour, Three Days Grace, and the list goes on.

    Now, I wouldn't say all of these bands (except for maybe Nickelback) were SUPER mainstream, but people knew their songs, and they had a presence in the music scene.

    Fast forward to about 5 to 7 or 8 years later, most or all of these bands are still around, but they are getting pushed out of the lime light, and in their place are newer bands with a newer sound. Bands like Mumford and Sons which currently occupies two of the top ten spots of the billboard top 100 rock songs list this week. Or there is also the song "radioactive" by the band Imagine Dragons which occupies the #1 spot currently.

    I actually went through the first ten of the alt. top 100 just now, and was a little surprised to hear what is apparently considered "alternative" rock music. Hell, including mumford and sons, there were about three songs that sound much more like an Irish jig than rock music at all. Or take the song 'Carry on' by the band Fun. I was trying to decide if the song should belong in a musical, or a revival of 80s style rock. But definitely
    not alternative.

    My point is, I don't like the way rock music is headed. I don't.

    I think people are loosing sight of what it means to listen to good quality hard, or alternative rock, because these new bands are changing the face of the genre. Now don't get me wrong, its not that these bands should not receive their acclaim, as I have said before, they deserve it.

    But at the same time, I don't want standard quality rock music being pushed further and further to the backseat in mainstream mediaicon_sad.gif

    *Sigh.

    This post is long enough as it is, and I will end it now, but I guess my hope is that young people who belong to the new millennial generation (mostly still in grade school) will be exposed to good rock music, the kind of stuff that I grew up with. And maybe a little less of this Niki Minaj shi--sorry, I mean stuff;)
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    Mar 07, 2013 5:37 AM GMT
    There is still some good stuff being put out, but you're right in saying that it's harder to come by ... for me it's all about "liking" or subscribing to some bands content, and then listening to the bands they like, or that Spotify or iTunes recommends because you like, say, Sum 41, or Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace, what have you.

    And I'm the weirdo that still goes to the CD shop and buys the damn CD (these encoding/copyright shit they put in MP3's and 4's drives me nuts). RJA and Sum 41 still put out music, as does Avenged Sevenfold and Black Tide. There is another direction Rock has headed that doesn't really bother me either. And even though I don't like electronic music, rock+electro= Attack Attack!, Dead by April, and Bullet for my Valentine (2012). I am digging it, you just have to look a little harder.

    Also, more alternative, Classic Crime, Emery are both great bands still running around (which have a common misconception they are Christian bands -- which even if they were, who gives a fuck, the music seems good to me).
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    Mar 07, 2013 5:44 AM GMT
    I totally agree with this, I used to listen to the KROQ station here alllll the time, but now days I can barely hear one song and just had to change station. Foo FIghters, Incubus, Coldplay, and Linkin Park are still making some decent songs, still waiting for Red Hot to do something amazing =/ I'm looking through my everyday playlist and may be it's just me but the newest Rock/Alt songs I have there are from Kings of Leon, and that was a few years back... =X

    I think these bands are in the process of finding new sounds without pumping out the same old same old. Seems like the younger gen are all into electronic sound right now, me included, but yea those quality rock songs are hard to come by lately.
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    Mar 07, 2013 5:47 AM GMT
    I agree. It's hard to come by decent rock music as of late. Rock music is dying. In Miami, there isn't even a major rock music station anymore!!!

    I was just listening to my rock playlist all day and wished I could go to a concert right now...


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    Mar 07, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    andreduce saidSo, this is something that has been on my mind awhile, and I thought it might help me to get it off my chest a bit and put it into words.

    To start off, let me be clear, this is not a bashing of any particular artist's music. We all have our own personal tastes, and those artists who have become successful in their own work deserve all the recognition they can geticon_smile.gif

    As I look back on the past 10-12 years, while I have moved from jr high, to high school, then undergrad, then grad, and finally to a working adult, I have taken notice to a change in musical taste among (young) people around my age, and also younger. Back in the early 2000s, I and my friends had many genres of music as an interest, which PROMINENTLY included hard and alternative rock music. That included bands like Linkin Park (when they HAD electric guitars as their main instrumental sound), Theory of a Deadman, Nickelback, Default (remember them?), Chevelle, Breaking Benjamin, Trapt, Stone sour, Three Days Grace, and the list goes on.

    Now, I wouldn't say all of these bands (except for maybe Nickelback) were SUPER mainstream, but people knew their songs, and they had a presence in the music scene.

    Fast forward to about 5 to 7 or 8 years later, most or all of these bands are still around, but they are getting pushed out of the lime light, and in their place are newer bands with a newer sound. Bands like Mumford and Sons which currently occupies two of the top ten spots of the billboard top 100 rock songs list this week. Or there is also the song "radioactive" by the band Imagine Dragons which occupies the #1 spot currently.

    I actually went through the first ten of the alt. top 100 just now, and was a little surprised to hear what is apparently considered "alternative" rock music. Hell, including mumford and sons, there were about three songs that sound much more like an Irish jig than rock music at all. Or take the song 'Carry on' by the band Fun. I was trying to decide if the song should belong in a musical, or a revival of 80s style rock. But definitely
    not alternative.

    My point is, I don't like the way rock music is headed. I don't.

    I think people are loosing sight of what it means to listen to good quality hard, or alternative rock, because these new bands are changing the face of the genre. Now don't get me wrong, its not that these bands should not receive their acclaim, as I have said before, they deserve it.

    But at the same time, I don't want standard quality rock music being pushed further and further to the backseat in mainstream mediaicon_sad.gif

    *Sigh.

    This post is long enough as it is, and I will end it now, but I guess my hope is that young people who belong to the new millennial generation (mostly still in grade school) will be exposed to good rock music, the kind of stuff that I grew up with. And maybe a little less of this Niki Minaj shi--sorry, I mean stuff;)




    I think every generation goes through this....from when they are in high school/college and the stuff they listened to is not popular anymore and a new sound that they do not connect with takes over.

    from classic rock to heavy metal to hair bands to grunge to nu metal, rock has evolved over time.

    I was big on grunge and then I was at the same point you were in the late 90s when numetal started to take over and I was like shit what happened to good music. And while some of that rock was okay..I really liked that Default song on your profile back then alot of it really got mainstreamed like Nickleback and now its pretty much dead.

    When TRL started playing Limp Bizcuit and Korn to death it killed rock and then rock just went away basically for 10 years as it was all about hip hop and rap

    I will say now alternative is making a comeback, rock was never really alternative but somehow got put in that catagory as teen bands and hip hop took over the mainstream. Now some of this stuff is lighter like Mumford and Sons. There is a lot of new rock/alternative that is electro based that is pretty good. Straight ahead rock and roll is tougher to find

    for you I would point you to the Black Keys..its bluesy but thats rock. Another newer band is Civil Twilight...they sound a lot like U2, Im thinking you lean more toward the heavy metal influence rock.

    Still the new Soundgarden cd was pretty good and the best thing about music is you can go back and explore all the old artists like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin and everything else.

    Radio does not play as big a part in music today, with Sirius and youtube around you can discover alot of music that you might normally find in the past. Still not sure the rock and roll you want is ever going to return to the mainstream. Unlike before the 90s, there are entire generations being raised on hip hop and rap so its a different world now and they have become new "rockstars"


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    Mar 07, 2013 5:39 PM GMT
    I've been listening to the local rock station (99.3 The Fox for the Vancouver people) for the last 10 years, and lately I've been really disappointed in the kind of music they're promoting and playing. Lately they haven't been playing much "rock" music at all, instead opting for pseudo-rap and shitty faux folk hipster music. I understand their music is chosen for popularity and not actual quality, but you start going crazy after the third Mumford and Sons song of the hour comes on. Same thing happened with that Foster the People song last year.

    There are good new artists out there, and there are those that stay true to the rock genre, they just aren't being promoted in favour of the new alternative crap that's apparently all the rage today. I was listening in one morning on my way to work and they played a song by a new band that sounded like something KISS would've put out if they were in their prime today, and afterwards the DJ came on the air and said he got a talking to for playing something like that during what I suppose is radio prime time (9am, when they'd normally be playing the eighth Mumford song of the day).

    Once radio dies out and people move on to other means of content delivery that isn't controlled by focus groups and market forces, I think we'll see new, good music start to flourish again.
  • FitAquarian

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    Mar 09, 2013 3:17 AM GMT
    I remember that period of music very well and can't say I really miss it. I like that a lot of today's alternative music is a throwback to the late 70's and early 80's post punk and alternative music scene. I was getting tired of all the manufactured angst and whiny vocals of most of those bands. I think rock should be melodic and incorporate different elements to stay interesting. With that said, I still find myself listening to more of the classics now than at any other time due to Youtube and a host of other sites that let you stream and explore all kinds of music for free.
  • andreduce

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    Mar 09, 2013 11:23 PM GMT
    Thanks guys for your input. It seems like im not the only one noticing this change in music. And after reading these other posts (espeically the one by Jerseywolf) I guess I should not really be that surprised. I mean, times change and interests change and old people get older and young people grow up. I would be nieve to think differently, which i suppose has been the case for me at least to a point.

    I still do hope however that hip hop and rap and country do not start controlling the music scene long term. I think i might be in trouble with that idea however, lol. Cause that just might be the case.

    At the very least, I can still stay current with the music I listen to on a personal level, and introduce the music to people in my life. I have, and can continue to influence peoples personal tastes in music. That makes me feel goodicon_smile.gif
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    Mar 10, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
    This topic is such a paradox. Alternative music is music that isn't mainstream. But once it gets discovered and gets played on radio, it's no longer alternative music.

    Anyways, music is a living thing. It constantly changes and evolves. Let's put things into perspective here. Complaining that there's no good quality alternative rock music is like my grandpa complaining that there's no good quality olde tyme ragtime music being played on the radio these days.

    Alternative music is fading. In about 10 years, it will be played on "oldies" radio stations. BUT it will never go away completely. Remember, music evolves and builds on top of other musical influences. I'm sure alternative rock will make a revival in the future, but in a slightly different form.

    I think jerseywoof nailed it. Back in the olden days, I was exposed to a lot of different alternative and punk bands through a local college radio station. It's so much different now. There are so many different outlets to discover and listen to music. All those obscure alternative rock bands are out there. It's just a matter of finding them. The internet is truly a wonderful thing.
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    Mar 10, 2013 2:49 AM GMT
    xrichx saidThis topic is such a paradox. Alternative music is music that isn't mainstream. But once it gets discovered and gets played on radio, it's no longer alternative music.

    Anyways, music is a living thing. It constantly changes and evolves. Let's put things into perspective here. Complaining that there's no good quality alternative rock music is like my grandpa complaining that there's no good quality olde tyme ragtime music being played on the radio these days.

    Alternative music is fading. In about 10 years, it will be played on "oldies" radio stations. BUT it will never go away completely. Remember, music evolves and builds on top of other musical influences. I'm sure alternative rock will make a revival in the future, but in a slightly different form.

    I think jerseywoof nailed it. Back in the olden days, I was exposed to a lot of different alternative and punk bands through a local college radio station. It's so much different now. There are so many different outlets to discover and listen to music. All those obscure alternative rock bands are out there. It's just a matter of finding them. The internet is truly a wonderful thing.


    There will always be alternative music. If you mean there will be less underground music, then you may be right only because now there are many more outlets for artists to be discovered.
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    Mar 10, 2013 3:26 AM GMT
    Welcome to "marketing to the up and coming".....at one time we all went through the age of being the desired demographic....as you age you fall out of that demographic....The music you liked is now stale and old, or gets bumped out to the classics stations or to some other narrow classification of musical style.....it has been happening as long as there has been music....and generational changes in tastes of music....my parents and grandparents were fans of Elvis and The Andrews Sisters, Buddy Holly, etc....bumped bty the Beatles, bumped by Soul, bumped by the next.....and so on....get used to getting older, getting bumped and reclassified, even if you don't change...but because of not changing....its like being the hot thing in the gay world in the 18 to 25 age group and being a Daddy at 30....etc...its crazy nuts and just not fair or real.
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    Mar 10, 2013 4:56 AM GMT
    honestly? nvr heard of most of those bands u listed. know that surf-punk's alive and thriving. listen only 2 alt, free form, and truant radio stations 2 get the best feel 4 the newest, old (like Fats Domino old), and inbetween music(s).

    if wna hear the newer "alt" music subscribe 2 KEXPradio and/or SXSW on utube.

    myself? been listening 2 lots of WaVVes, Beach Fossils, DIIV, The War on Drugs, Fidlar, Naomi Punk, and especially The Soft Moon with some Alabama Shakes thrown in the mix.
  • 908york

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    Mar 10, 2013 5:09 AM GMT
    Dude, rock is aggressive and has a tradition of making ppl think about the big picture.

    Based on the current climate, angry thinkers are not what the media, or government want. There is an absolute conspiracy against rock, it's pretty much contraband. I noticed what you noticed.

    The people pulling the strings don't want ppl angry or thinking, they want them passive and childlike. Insert current mainstream radio here. Almost like the 1950's in some ways.

    In the 90's indie bands could say whatever they fucking wanted and make SHIT TONS of money. "Experts" are saying nows the greatest time to be indie coss it's easier then ever to make music and get it out there. Thats of course a huge lie. Youtube has 5million unsigned acts all clamoring to give away their music, not touring not making impacts and not asserting any sort of power. It's the worst time to be indie trust me, I just actually got dropped from two record deals which is a whole other story. I had 2 rock songs on my album I considered mostly pop... but compared to mumford and songs it was Nirvana ahahha.

    Really I don't know how we can get out of this creative, intellectual and financially limiting hole/life we are getting shoved deeper into. It really pisses me off though. And since I listen to a lot of rock I still know how to get pissed off properly and loudly. LMFAO
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    Mar 10, 2013 5:11 AM GMT
    BTW, you are a total hottie and I would love to have sex with you with rock music in the background. icon_biggrin.gif
  • Generaleclect...

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    Mar 10, 2013 5:30 AM GMT
    Honestly, I think this happens with every new cultural era. It happens in every genre, be it rock, hip-hop, or even jazz. (Rock & Roll was loose and "sinful," girl groups got played out, hip-hop "wasn't music," people got fed up with Disco, hair metal was obnoxious, etc.)

    Whether this era music has made a definite turn for the worst, well... still remains to be seen. I think we have to consider how and why music is made now, and what it takes to become popular in the industry compared to back then.

    If anything, I've noticed that music in general has become a lot more image-based - and in my opinion, the "quality" of the music is taking a backseat. I can hardly listen to any current music.

    But who knows - there's likely gonna be some new, hip, musical backlash that creates a charming subgenre (which everyone will hate in 10 years).

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    Mar 10, 2013 5:34 AM GMT
    Was Nickelback really alternative rock? I've always thought of them as pop rock.
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    I've noticed the same thing actually. The early 2000s were all about Nickelback, 3Doors Down, Linkin Park, Michelle Branch, and other alternative stuff. But...it was also full of commercial pop like Britney spears and Nsync. I felt like those were the 2 mainstream camps of music people listened to.

    Nowadays, it seems the 2 camps are electronic/house and groups you named like Mumford and sons and Fun. Personally, I do miss the alternative stuff and still listen to it often, but I think the music out there now is high quality and unique. Especially the group Fun, I haven't heard a mainstream band with a sound like theirs since Queen. It seems like bands were running out of alternative sounds/ideas so the music scene shifted. It'll come back tho, it always comes and goes in waves.
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    Mar 10, 2013 7:36 PM GMT
    Hmm interesting ideas here.

    I guess I would agree that perhaps the alternative/hard sound was just at its breaking point, and people needed something new.

    Really what it may come down to is there are two basic mindsets that people (who regularly listen to music) have when the music scene changes:

    1) Those individuals who are apt to like a genre, but just as likely be capable of liking almost any other genre of music as well, so long as they appreciate the quality of the music. These people tend to stay current with musical trends and would be considered more contemporary.

    2) Those individuals who were exposed perhaps more early on to a particular type of sound on which they have come to thrive, and keep to that sound, regardless of how musical tastes in the mainstream change. These people are more apt to disregard current music as the music scene changes over the years. These people would be considered more "traditional."

    I know I for one fall WELL into the second category, and thats probably why I have started this post in the first place. Does that mean I have to change my music habits becuase the music scene is changing in general? Of course not. I don't HAVE to do anything actually. But I do expect people to respect my musical tastes, and I will try to be cognizant to respect other peoples taste in music.
  • FitAquarian

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    Mar 10, 2013 8:08 PM GMT
    Trollileo saidCheck out Muse. I feel weird for saying this, but Fallout Boy's new album is promising. Also, The Darkness just released a new album which is pretty rad. Honestly, though, it's going to happen. New music becomes popular and other genres fall between the cracks. It's a shame, but it's true.


    I'm surprised no one mentioned Muse, one of the best bands to come out recently. I love how they incorporate different genres into their music including classical. I feel that the alternative label is used to classify a lot of artists who don't fit the traditional mode. It's good to know that Muse are still going strong. Although I'm not a fan, I have to admit that I'm liking the new Fallout Boy single because it is so poppy.
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    Mar 10, 2013 9:53 PM GMT
    andreduce saidHmm interesting ideas here.

    I guess I would agree that perhaps the alternative/hard sound was just at its breaking point, and people needed something new.

    Really what it may come down to is there are two basic mindsets that people (who regularly listen to music) have when the music scene changes:

    1) Those individuals who are apt to like a genre, but just as likely be capable of liking almost any other genre of music as well, so long as they appreciate the quality of the music. These people tend to stay current with musical trends and would be considered more contemporary.

    2) Those individuals who were exposed perhaps more early on to a particular type of sound on which they have come to thrive, and keep to that sound, regardless of how musical tastes in the mainstream change. These people are more apt to disregard current music as the music scene changes over the years. These people would be considered more "traditional."

    I know I for one fall WELL into the second category, and thats probably why I have started this post in the first place. Does that mean I have to change my music habits becuase the music scene is changing in general? Of course not. I don't HAVE to do anything actually. But I do expect people to respect my musical tastes, and I will try to be cognizant to respect other peoples taste in music.
    I don't think it's that clear cut. I'd say I'm a little of 1) and 2). I still love all the music I grew up with. That's all I listen to while I'm at work or home. But at the same time, I keep an open mind and give some of the new music a chance. Particularly, if the the new music is based/influenced on music from the past. When the 80's revival was in full force, I honestly hated. I referred to as hipster rock. But after the hype died down, most of the bands went away. The remaining ones matured and refined their music better, and they aren't too bad now.

    There will be new music/bands that I won't like regardless. Like Mumford and Sons. I was never a big folk music fan. I bought a couple of Pogues albums back in the day. But that's about as far as I'll go for that type of music.

    Anyways, I'm not sure why you feel that you have to change your musical tastes to reflect current trends. Just keep listening to what you like. Or you know, you can always start up your own band and branch off to a new generation of alternative rock.
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    Mar 11, 2013 10:50 PM GMT
    Trollileo said
    FitAquarian said
    Trollileo saidCheck out Muse. I feel weird for saying this, but Fallout Boy's new album is promising. Also, The Darkness just released a new album which is pretty rad. Honestly, though, it's going to happen. New music becomes popular and other genres fall between the cracks. It's a shame, but it's true.


    I'm surprised no one mentioned Muse, one of the best bands to come out recently. I love how they incorporate different genres into their music including classical. I feel that the alternative label is used to classify a lot of artists who don't fit the traditional mode. It's good to know that Muse are still going strong. Although I'm not a fan, I have to admit that I'm liking the new Fallout Boy single because it is so poppy.
    Muse makes me so wet. I've been using them to study fusion genres as well as exploring interestingly simple chord progressions. If you look at my profile I have a picture of a recent concert memento.

    Are you talking about this single? It's the shit.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkIWmsP3c_s&feature=youtube_gdata_player


    Yeah, that one's pretty catchy. I noticed that there are a lot of 70's and 80's artists releasing new music. I just learned that Rush and Van Halen both released new albums in the last year. There seems to be a lot of great new music out there for those whose tastes go back as far as mine.
  • kevmoran

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    Mar 11, 2013 10:55 PM GMT
    Someone may have already mentioned this, I didn't read it all. But Alt Top 100 refers to all Alternative music. 10 years ago rock was the only type of alternative music because there was a smaller selection. Now there are much more popular genres in the Alternative category, which is why you see more stuff that isn't rock. Mumford & Sons is Folk Alternative, MGMT is Alternative Electronica, etc. They aren't claiming to be rock at all.
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    Mar 11, 2013 11:03 PM GMT
    Rock and metal are still very much alive in Scandinavia, Germany, Brazil, and Russia... looking overseas might be a good way to find new releases that aren't hipster shit.



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    I am very confused as to why all of the groups mentioned above are thought of as being "alternative." In my mind, they are all about as "alternative" as Janet Jackson....
  • andreduce

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    Mar 26, 2013 7:29 AM GMT
    My Chemical Romance has disbanded. And they will always go down as one of the best known rock bands of the 2000s.

    ...and in their place will be what,..another folk band? icon_rolleyes.gif