Should a Transgendered MMA Athlete be allowed to play in Women's division?

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    Mar 07, 2013 7:48 AM GMT
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    Mar 07, 2013 8:01 AM GMT
    No
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    Mar 07, 2013 9:19 AM GMT
    No.
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    Mar 07, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
    The real question is: Should sports in general create transgender leagues?

    I think so.
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    Mar 07, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidThe real question is: Should sports in general create transgender leagues?

    I think so.
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    Mar 07, 2013 10:48 PM GMT
    Nope.
  • Whipmagic

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    Mar 07, 2013 10:53 PM GMT
    Yes. I think anyone who has his cock and balls cut off has motivations that go far beyond being allowed to compete in the women's division.
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    Mar 07, 2013 11:05 PM GMT
    Whipmagic saidYes. I think anyone who has his cock and balls cut off has motivations that go far beyond being allowed to compete in the women's division.


    Motivation means shit really when your sex-predisposed natural body strength gives you an unfair competitive edge.
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    Mar 07, 2013 11:07 PM GMT
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    Mar 07, 2013 11:12 PM GMT
    I'm gonna say yes, just to piss off all of the people who said no icon_smile.gif
  • Whipmagic

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    Mar 07, 2013 11:27 PM GMT
    Ariodante said
    Whipmagic saidYes. I think anyone who has his cock and balls cut off has motivations that go far beyond being allowed to compete in the women's division.


    Motivation means shit really when your sex-predisposed natural body strength gives you an unfair competitive edge.


    With all due respect, I disagree. No matter how you make the rules of any athletic competition, there is no way to perfectly ensure that no one ever will have an "ufair competetive edge", as you put it.

    When it comes to sex and gender, no matter how much we are taught to believe otherwise, it's not completely bimodal; there is a small, but non-zero population in the gray zone. And it's not all about gender identification, there is a substantial amount of well-understood biological causation in that area as well.

    Now, when it comes to athletics, you can make all the rules you want: use the SRY gene on the Y-chromosome, like they do for the Olympics, or use whatever is on your driver's licence, which is what's used for most legal purposes, and you'll always get a few situations where the outcome is clearly unfair. That's unavoidable.

    So I'm taking the humanistic appoach and take into account how strongly someone identifies with a certain sex or gender. And having your cock and balls cut off, and going through all the physical, psychological, and social pian that's associated with being TG is a pretty strong indication for me that someone is for all intents and purposes a woman. And I have no problems letting her compete with the females - it is a rare exception; I don't think we'll see lots of men trying to get a competitive advantage that way. So I rather take a chance on making perhaps a small error on the sex and gender continuum instead of demeaning her by telling her that she can't be a woman.
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    Mar 07, 2013 11:56 PM GMT
    Ya
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    Mar 07, 2013 11:59 PM GMT
    Abso-f*kin-lutely!!

    I would give both nuts to see that fight! icon_biggrin.gif
  • jo2hotbod

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    Mar 10, 2013 2:03 PM GMT
    Whipmagic said
    Ariodante said
    Whipmagic saidYes. I think anyone who has his cock and balls cut off has motivations that go far beyond being allowed to compete in the women's division.


    Motivation means shit really when your sex-predisposed natural body strength gives you an unfair competitive edge.


    With all due respect, I disagree. No matter how you make the rules of any athletic competition, there is no way to perfectly ensure that no one ever will have an "ufair competetive edge", as you put it.

    When it comes to sex and gender, no matter how much we are taught to believe otherwise, it's not completely bimodal; there is a small, but non-zero population in the gray zone. And it's not all about gender identification, there is a substantial amount of well-understood biological causation in that area as well.

    Now, when it comes to athletics, you can make all the rules you want: use the SRY gene on the Y-chromosome, like they do for the Olympics, or use whatever is on your driver's licence, which is what's used for most legal purposes, and you'll always get a few situations where the outcome is clearly unfair. That's unavoidable.

    So I'm taking the humanistic appoach and take into account how strongly someone identifies with a certain sex or gender. And having your cock and balls cut off, and going through all the physical, psychological, and social pian that's associated with being TG is a pretty strong indication for me that someone is for all intents and purposes a woman. And I have no problems letting her compete with the females - it is a rare exception; I don't think we'll see lots of men trying to get a competitive advantage that way. So I rather take a chance on making perhaps a small error on the sex and gender continuum instead of demeaning her by telling her that she can't be a woman.



    On the humane side I can see your point, but from a purely analytical point of view, regardless of the fact the individual had the transgender surgery, that individual still posses a males body and would not truly be performing as a female but as a male.
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    Mar 10, 2013 2:06 PM GMT
    Lol lots of you guys are against the idea but no one says shit about the Williams 'sisters' icon_lol.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 10, 2013 3:15 PM GMT
    Whipmagic said
    Ariodante said
    Whipmagic saidYes. I think anyone who has his cock and balls cut off has motivations that go far beyond being allowed to compete in the women's division.


    Motivation means shit really when your sex-predisposed natural body strength gives you an unfair competitive edge.


    With all due respect, I disagree. No matter how you make the rules of any athletic competition, there is no way to perfectly ensure that no one ever will have an "ufair competetive edge", as you put it.

    When it comes to sex and gender, no matter how much we are taught to believe otherwise, it's not completely bimodal; there is a small, but non-zero population in the gray zone. And it's not all about gender identification, there is a substantial amount of well-understood biological causation in that area as well.

    Now, when it comes to athletics, you can make all the rules you want: use the SRY gene on the Y-chromosome, like they do for the Olympics, or use whatever is on your driver's licence, which is what's used for most legal purposes, and you'll always get a few situations where the outcome is clearly unfair. That's unavoidable.

    So I'm taking the humanistic appoach and take into account how strongly someone identifies with a certain sex or gender. And having your cock and balls cut off, and going through all the physical, psychological, and social pian that's associated with being TG is a pretty strong indication for me that someone is for all intents and purposes a woman. And I have no problems letting her compete with the females - it is a rare exception; I don't think we'll see lots of men trying to get a competitive advantage that way. So I rather take a chance on making perhaps a small error on the sex and gender continuum instead of demeaning her by telling her that she can't be a woman.


    Well said! I agree with you. Transgendered people go through things most guys on here won't ever understand, or empathize with. It's nice to see someone put some thought into their response amidst all of the bigoted knee jerk reactions.
  • ASHDOD

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    Mar 10, 2013 3:43 PM GMT
    no
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    Mar 10, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
    No. Physically he is still a guy and that is not fair to the women.
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    Mar 10, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidThe real question is: Should sports in general create transgender leagues?

    I think so.


    That!
  • MuscleComeBac...

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    Mar 10, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
    As long as sports is segmented by genitalia, yes. She is not defined personally by her clit, but the MMA defines her as such, so, if they won't let women fight men, she gets to fight women.

    Gender equality in sports is unfairly divided by hormones as opposed to skill. There are numerous female MMA fighters who could outclass many men. But ego keeps them at bay.

    A welterweight should not fight a heavyweight. That makes sense. But if an athlete is an athlete, as it were, and skilled in their sport, then class them by skill not chromosomes and create an authentically level playing field.
  • jo2hotbod

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    Mar 10, 2013 4:39 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Whipmagic said
    Ariodante said
    Whipmagic saidYes. I think anyone who has his cock and balls cut off has motivations that go far beyond being allowed to compete in the women's division.


    Motivation means shit really when your sex-predisposed natural body strength gives you an unfair competitive edge.


    With all due respect, I disagree. No matter how you make the rules of any athletic competition, there is no way to perfectly ensure that no one ever will have an "ufair competetive edge", as you put it.

    When it comes to sex and gender, no matter how much we are taught to believe otherwise, it's not completely bimodal; there is a small, but non-zero population in the gray zone. And it's not all about gender identification, there is a substantial amount of well-understood biological causation in that area as well.

    Now, when it comes to athletics, you can make all the rules you want: use the SRY gene on the Y-chromosome, like they do for the Olympics, or use whatever is on your driver's licence, which is what's used for most legal purposes, and you'll always get a few situations where the outcome is clearly unfair. That's unavoidable.

    So I'm taking the humanistic appoach and take into account how strongly someone identifies with a certain sex or gender. And having your cock and balls cut off, and going through all the physical, psychological, and social pian that's associated with being TG is a pretty strong indication for me that someone is for all intents and purposes a woman. And I have no problems letting her compete with the females - it is a rare exception; I don't think we'll see lots of men trying to get a competitive advantage that way. So I rather take a chance on making perhaps a small error on the sex and gender continuum instead of demeaning her by telling her that she can't be a woman.


    Well said! I agree with you. Transgendered people go through things most guys on here won't ever understand, or empathize with. It's nice to see someone put some thought into their response amidst all of the bigoted knee jerk reactions.


    Not a matter of understanding or empathy from the physical side of it she's a guy with his dick cut off - her physical ability is different from a female born as a female. It's more in line with the phd's discussion and is not discriminatory at all.

    Why is it considered "bigoted knee jerk reactions" because your point of view is not agreed with? Just because the thoughts are not laid out it doesn't mean thought was given to the discussion topic.
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    Mar 10, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
    asnextdoor saidNo. Physically he is still a guy and that is not fair to the women.


    lol. hehe.. BWAHAHAHA.

    I played on a co-ed WP team, I feared the women more than the men.

    They know no bounds....
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 10, 2013 4:50 PM GMT
    Here's an interesting perspective from the transgendered Renee Richards, who was dealing with this issue 30 years ago and basically put transgendered sports figures on the map when she fought to play in the U.S. Open in women's tennis after her sex change....

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    Mar 10, 2013 5:08 PM GMT
    The thing is there is no right or wrong answer. Everyone says look at the Transgender, and everything they have been through. Well look at the women and see what they have been through. Women have it hard in the professional sports worlds, especially fighting. Some women sacrifice a lot and train really hard to get where they are. And then they fight women who have equally have trained hard to get to where they are. But now here is a Transgender person who was born a man, and in their opinion, had it easier training to become a fighter, and then with one operation can fight them. And everyone says hormones mean nothing, and that everyone has an unfair advantage, but it STILL does mean something to the person who that transgender is fighting.

    In all honesty there should either be a Transgender League or a league where there are no gender restrictions, everyone fights everyone.
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    Mar 10, 2013 5:22 PM GMT
    jo2hotbod said
    HottJoe said
    Whipmagic said
    Ariodante said
    Whipmagic saidYes. I think anyone who has his cock and balls cut off has motivations that go far beyond being allowed to compete in the women's division.


    Motivation means shit really when your sex-predisposed natural body strength gives you an unfair competitive edge.


    With all due respect, I disagree. No matter how you make the rules of any athletic competition, there is no way to perfectly ensure that no one ever will have an "ufair competetive edge", as you put it.

    When it comes to sex and gender, no matter how much we are taught to believe otherwise, it's not completely bimodal; there is a small, but non-zero population in the gray zone. And it's not all about gender identification, there is a substantial amount of well-understood biological causation in that area as well.

    Now, when it comes to athletics, you can make all the rules you want: use the SRY gene on the Y-chromosome, like they do for the Olympics, or use whatever is on your driver's licence, which is what's used for most legal purposes, and you'll always get a few situations where the outcome is clearly unfair. That's unavoidable.

    So I'm taking the humanistic appoach and take into account how strongly someone identifies with a certain sex or gender. And having your cock and balls cut off, and going through all the physical, psychological, and social pian that's associated with being TG is a pretty strong indication for me that someone is for all intents and purposes a woman. And I have no problems letting her compete with the females - it is a rare exception; I don't think we'll see lots of men trying to get a competitive advantage that way. So I rather take a chance on making perhaps a small error on the sex and gender continuum instead of demeaning her by telling her that she can't be a woman.


    Well said! I agree with you. Transgendered people go through things most guys on here won't ever understand, or empathize with. It's nice to see someone put some thought into their response amidst all of the bigoted knee jerk reactions.


    Not a matter of understanding or empathy from the physical side of it she's a guy with his dick cut off - her physical ability is different from a female born as a female. It's more in line with the phd's discussion and is not discriminatory at all.

    Why is it considered "bigoted knee jerk reactions" because your point of view is not agreed with? Just because the thoughts are not laid out it doesn't mean thought was given to the discussion topic.


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