Officials: 80 Percent Of Recent NYC High School Graduates Cannot Read

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    Mar 08, 2013 4:34 AM GMT
    I find this somewhat incredible... but it defines literacy as being able to do "college-level work."

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/03/07/officials-80-percent-of-recent-nyc-high-school-graduates-cannot-read/
  • jock_1

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    Mar 08, 2013 9:58 PM GMT
    I heard about this today and was stunned. If this doesnt tell you the public school system needs to be taken apart and start over, nothing will. Democrat or Republican or Conservative, it doesnt matter, there is no accepting this or no excusses. Our country is better than this, our families and teachers are better than this.
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    Mar 08, 2013 11:19 PM GMT
    jock_1 saidI heard about this today and was stunned. If this doesnt tell you the public school system needs to be taken apart and start over, nothing will. Democrat or Republican or Conservative, it doesnt matter, there is no accepting this or no excusses. Our country is better than this, our families and teachers are better than this.


    One hopes that this is relatively limited to new york city.
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    Mar 09, 2013 1:25 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    jock_1 saidI heard about this today and was stunned. If this doesnt tell you the public school system needs to be taken apart and start over, nothing will. Democrat or Republican or Conservative, it doesnt matter, there is no accepting this or no excusses. Our country is better than this, our families and teachers are better than this.


    One hopes that this is relatively limited to new york city.


    No, MPS (milwaukee public schools) are real bad also. Thats why Gov Walker increased the school voucher programs. The Teachers union hates it cos it will crush their monopoly and system of bilking the tax payers out of millions of dollars, but they hat him any way because he took away collective barganing from them and its killing the union. I can only imagine what NYC budget is for public schools.
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    Mar 09, 2013 1:40 AM GMT
    This does not surprise me at all. My 18yr old will grad in June and he cant spell, do math, or read! (Dont get me wrong, I love him, and he is a tremendous young man) but the modern day school systems promote 'mediocre' learning at best! I feel sorry for future generations... JMO.
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    Mar 09, 2013 2:48 PM GMT
    hairyandym saidThis does not surprise me at all. My 18yr old will grad in June and he cant spell, do math, or read! (Dont get me wrong, I love him, and he is a tremendous young man) but the modern day school systems promote 'mediocre' learning at best! I feel sorry for future generations... JMO.


    This is what I dont understand. where is the system failing? Is it the parents, the teachers, the student, the culture? Or is it a combination of everything. It's impossible to point blame because blame is not the reason. These kids are just being passed along to a future of nothing and living on entitlements.
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    Mar 09, 2013 3:44 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    hairyandym saidThis does not surprise me at all. My 18yr old will grad in June and he cant spell, do math, or read! (Dont get me wrong, I love him, and he is a tremendous young man) but the modern day school systems promote 'mediocre' learning at best! I feel sorry for future generations... JMO.


    This is what I dont understand. where is the system failing? Is it the parents, the teachers, the student, the culture? Or is it a combination of everything. It's impossible to point blame because blame is not the reason. These kids are just being passed along to a future of nothing and living on entitlements.


    America will always live in denial and never accept the cause of these statistics. It is best to just let it rest.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 09, 2013 3:54 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    riddler78 said
    jock_1 saidI heard about this today and was stunned. If this doesnt tell you the public school system needs to be taken apart and start over, nothing will. Democrat or Republican or Conservative, it doesnt matter, there is no accepting this or no excusses. Our country is better than this, our families and teachers are better than this.


    One hopes that this is relatively limited to new york city.


    No, MPS (milwaukee public schools) are real bad also. Thats why Gov Walker increased the school voucher programs. The Teachers union hates it cos it will crush their monopoly and system of bilking the tax payers out of millions of dollars, but they hat him any way because he took away collective barganing from them and its killing the union. I can only imagine what NYC budget is for public schools.
    This is a serious problem throughout much of the US. New York City and Milwaukee are not alone with these serious problems. Many cities and several suburbs are experiencing the same problems in their educational systems. It is not a democratic, republican, liberal, or conservative issue. This is an extremely serious matter that could hurt the US in terms of global economic competition. These unionized teachers should only get a pay raise based on their job performance not based on their seniority. Too many older teachers are just riding the system by not doing their jobs properly and cruising towards retirement.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 09, 2013 5:07 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said6 cents of every dollar spent in the NY City Public School System reaches the classroom, The answer on how to improve the literacy rate of these students is simple: We must "invest" more in "education!"

    NOTE: Interesting that none of the liberal hens here have posted in this topic - a topic that is supposedly near and dear to their little hen hearts and a top priority of all "progressives" out there....
    Well in order to invest more in the actual educational process, they need to cut back on administrative bureaucracy in these public school systems. There is too much unneeded, unproductive deadwood in these public schools. Pay raises for teachers should be granted on the basis of job performance only. These teacher unions and all other public employee unions need to accept the fact that the tax paying public cannot afford all their costly demands. These unionized government workers should be thankful for having a full time job because there are many people out there that are unemployed and underemployed.
  • Doodles

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    Mar 09, 2013 5:13 PM GMT
    To be honest, I think these children themselves need to take education more seriously for their own sake. Or at least have their parents be more... like parents and put a stronger emphasis for them to study and to better themselves. But again it just boils down to the individual and how much effort they are willing to put in for themselves.
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    southbeach1500 said6 cents of every dollar spent in the NY City Public School System reaches the classroom, The answer on how to improve the literacy rate of these students is simple: We must "invest" more in "education!"

    NOTE: Interesting that none of the liberal hens here have posted in this topic - a topic that is supposedly near and dear to their little hen hearts and a top priority of all "progressives" out there....


    Because SB, most of your topics and riddler's are now being ignored. icon_lol.gif

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    Mar 09, 2013 5:20 PM GMT
    The thread title does not accurately reflect the article quoted. The article states that "nearly 80 percent of those who graduate from city high schools arrived at City University’s community college system without having mastered the skills to do college-level work." While far from ideal, that's a long way from "cannot read".

    "In its defense, the NYC Department of Education said it has raised high school graduation rates by 40 percent over the last seven years."
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    Mar 09, 2013 5:29 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidThe thread title does not accurately reflect the article quoted. The article states that "nearly 80 percent of those who graduate from city high schools arrived at City University’s community college system without having mastered the skills to do college-level work." While far from ideal, that's a long way from "cannot read".

    "In its defense, the NYC Department of Education said it has raised high school graduation rates by 40 percent over the last seven years." So, their problems appear to be getting sorted out by the time they graduate high school.
    Well at least the City of New York is successfully graduating a much larger percentage of their student body. That is more than I could say for horrendous urban school systems in cities like Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago where a large percentage of kids never graduate high school and just end up on street corners.
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    Mar 09, 2013 6:47 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    Ex_Mil8 saidThe thread title does not accurately reflect the article quoted. The article states that "nearly 80 percent of those who graduate from city high schools arrived at City University’s community college system without having mastered the skills to do college-level work." While far from ideal, that's a long way from "cannot read".

    "In its defense, the NYC Department of Education said it has raised high school graduation rates by 40 percent over the last seven years." So, their problems appear to be getting sorted out by the time they graduate high school.
    Well at least the City of New York is successfully graduating a much larger percentage of their student body. That is more than I could say for horrendous urban school systems in cities like Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago where a large percentage of kids never graduate high school and just end up on street corners.


    They end up on street corners in New York, but holding community college diplomas and still unable to function in a professional work environment.
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    Mar 09, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
    conservativejock said
    roadbikeRob said
    Ex_Mil8 saidThe thread title does not accurately reflect the article quoted. The article states that "nearly 80 percent of those who graduate from city high schools arrived at City University’s community college system without having mastered the skills to do college-level work." While far from ideal, that's a long way from "cannot read".

    "In its defense, the NYC Department of Education said it has raised high school graduation rates by 40 percent over the last seven years." So, their problems appear to be getting sorted out by the time they graduate high school.
    Well at least the City of New York is successfully graduating a much larger percentage of their student body. That is more than I could say for horrendous urban school systems in cities like Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago where a large percentage of kids never graduate high school and just end up on street corners.


    They end up on street corners in New York, but holding community college diplomas and still unable to function in a professional work environment.
    Many of them also hold SUNY four year degrees as well. There are just not enough professional jobs to hire every college degreed person.
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    Mar 10, 2013 1:24 AM GMT
    I have decided to do something I normally wold not do in a public forum. It illustrates a level of reading comprehension, literacy, and knowledge of a spectrum of buiness practices, that few who walk out the doors of a U.S. university will master. The text below is simply a copy of two definitions in the opening section of what is called an "Operating Agreement." .

    Such a document becomes something that one must scan at a fairly rapid pace to make ones way through the many that may pass before you in the conduct of business. The document from which this was copied was authored by one of the masters of such agreements who has worked for some of those hidden from the Forbes 400 and openly sitting upon tht list today. It is a hallmark of the capability of one Warren Buffett to ingest such a document on a flight f two hours and exit the plane with a decicion as to what he is going to do in regards to an investment.

    My humble opinion is -- and keep in mind opinions are like assholes, everyone has one -- that job one is for Americans to stop demonizing those who can drive a renewed U.S. economy and stop wasting large gobs of taxpayer money on those who will never become literate enough to work at Mr. Buffetts level, as roakbikeRob pointed out and SouthBeach 1500 concurred.

    Go for it!!

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    "Member Minimum Gain" means with respect to each Member Nonrecourse Debt, the gain at any given time which would be realized by the Members if the Company disposed of the property encumbered by or otherwise subject to such Member Nonrecourse Debt for no consideration other than the full satisfaction of such Member Nonrecourse Debt. If the applicable property is subject to more than one liability, only that portion of the property's adjusted tax basis which is allocated to the applicable Member Nonrecourse Debt under the immediately succeeding sentence shall be used to compute Member Minimum Gain. The adjusted basis of Company Property subject to two or more liabilities of equal priority shall be allocated among such liabilities in proportion to their outstanding balances, and the adjusted basis of Company Property subject to two or more liabilities of unequal priority shall be allocated to the liabilities of subordinate priority only to the extent of the excess, if any, of the adjusted basis of such Property over the aggregate outstanding balance of all liabilities of superior priority. The priorities of any liability or any group of liabilities shall be determined by reference to all applicable facts and circumstances including, without limitation, all agreements by and between applicable creditors and all applicable corporate, commercial, bankruptcy and other laws. If a Book Tax Disparity exists with respect to any Company Property, Member Minimum Gain shall be determined by using the Carrying Value instead of the adjusted tax basis of such property.

    "Member Nonrecourse Debt" means any Nonrecourse Liability to the extent a Member or a person who is related (as defined in Reg Sec. 1.752 1(a)(3)) to a Member bears the economic risk of loss, as determined under Reg Sec. 1.752 2, with respect to such liability. In the event that any Member (or a person related to any Member within the meaning of Reg Sec. 1.752 1(a)(3)) bears the economic risk of loss for less than all of the outstanding balance of the Nonrecourse Liability, such Nonrecourse Liability shall be bifurcated in accordance with the principles of Reg Sec. 1.752 2, and shall be treated as a Nonrecourse Liability to the extent that no Member (or related party) bears the economic risk of a loss, and as a Member Nonrecourse Debt to the extent that the applicable Member (or related party) bears the economic risk of loss. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained herein, Member Nonrecourse Debt shall be determined in accordance with Reg Sec. 1.704 2 as the same may be modified or supplemented from time to time.
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    conservativejock saidI have decided to do something I normally wold not do in a public forum. It illustrates a level of reading comprehension, literacy, and knowledge of a spectrum of buiness practices, that few who walk out the doors of a U.S. university will master. The text below is simply a copy of two definitions in the opening section of what is called an "Operating Agreement." .

    Such a document becomes something that one must scan at a fairly rapid pace to make ones way through the many that may pass before you in the conduct of business. The document from which this was copied was authored by one of the masters of such agreements who has worked for some of hidden from the Forbes 400 and openly sitting upon tht list today. It is a hallmark of the capability of one Warren Buffett to ingect such a document on a flight f two hours and exit the plane with a decicion as to what he is going to do in regards to an investment.

    My humble opinion is -- and keep in mind opinions are like assholes, everyone has one -- that job one is for Americans to stop demonizing those who can drive a renewed U.S. economy and stop wasting large gobs of taxpayer money on those who will never become literate enough to work at Mr. Buffetts level, as roakbikeRob pointed out and SouthBeach 1500 concurred.

    Go for it!!

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    "Member Minimum Gain" means with respect to each Member Nonrecourse Debt, the gain at any given time which would be realized by the Members if the Company disposed of the property encumbered by or otherwise subject to such Member Nonrecourse Debt for no consideration other than the full satisfaction of such Member Nonrecourse Debt. If the applicable property is subject to more than one liability, only that portion of the property's adjusted tax basis which is allocated to the applicable Member Nonrecourse Debt under the immediately succeeding sentence shall be used to compute Member Minimum Gain. The adjusted basis of Company Property subject to two or more liabilities of equal priority shall be allocated among such liabilities in proportion to their outstanding balances, and the adjusted basis of Company Property subject to two or more liabilities of unequal priority shall be allocated to the liabilities of subordinate priority only to the extent of the excess, if any, of the adjusted basis of such Property over the aggregate outstanding balance of all liabilities of superior priority. The priorities of any liability or any group of liabilities shall be determined by reference to all applicable facts and circumstances including, without limitation, all agreements by and between applicable creditors and all applicable corporate, commercial, bankruptcy and other laws. If a Book Tax Disparity exists with respect to any Company Property, Member Minimum Gain shall be determined by using the Carrying Value instead of the adjusted tax basis of such property.

    "Member Nonrecourse Debt" means any Nonrecourse Liability to the extent a Member or a person who is related (as defined in Reg Sec. 1.752 1(a)(3)) to a Member bears the economic risk of loss, as determined under Reg Sec. 1.752 2, with respect to such liability. In the event that any Member (or a person related to any Member within the meaning of Reg Sec. 1.752 1(a)(3)) bears the economic risk of loss for less than all of the outstanding balance of the Nonrecourse Liability, such Nonrecourse Liability shall be bifurcated in accordance with the principles of Reg Sec. 1.752 2, and shall be treated as a Nonrecourse Liability to the extent that no Member (or related party) bears the economic risk of a loss, and as a Member Nonrecourse Debt to the extent that the applicable Member (or related party) bears the economic risk of loss. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained herein, Member Nonrecourse Debt shall be determined in accordance with Reg Sec. 1.704 2 as the same may be modified or supplemented from time to time.


    Oh Mr-I'm-so-brainy-and-you-aren't, would you explain the the nice people what ingect is?
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    Mar 10, 2013 1:38 AM GMT
    meninlove said


    Oh Mr-I'm-so-brainy-and-you-aren't, would you explain the the nice people what ingect is?


    Sure. A typo. Lol. INGEST.
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    Con-jock you said, " was authored by one of the masters of such agreements who has worked for some of hidden from the Forbes 400 and openly sitting upon tht list today.'

    Another typo, love. So you think someone just out of high school should have the same skill-sets as the author who is one of the masters of such agreements and who has worked for some of hidden from the Forbes 400.

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    Mar 10, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    meninlove said

    Con-jock you said, " was authored by one of the masters of such agreements who has worked for some of hidden from the Forbes 400 and openly sitting upon tht list today.'

    Another typo, love. So you think someone just out of high school should have the same skill-sets as the author who is one of the masters of such agreements and who has worked for some of hidden from the Forbes 400.



    You still have a couple of errors to catch!! Lol.
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    Mar 10, 2013 2:00 AM GMT
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    meninlove said

    Con-jock you said, " was authored by one of the masters of such agreements who has worked for some of hidden from the Forbes 400 and openly sitting upon tht list today.'

    Another typo, love. So you think someone just out of high school should have the same skill-sets as the author who is one of the masters of such agreements and who has worked for some of hidden from the Forbes 400.



    You still have a couple of errors to catch!! Lol.


    I'm being charitable.
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    Mar 10, 2013 2:09 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    conservativejock said
    meninlove said

    Con-jock you said, " was authored by one of the masters of such agreements who has worked for some of hidden from the Forbes 400 and openly sitting upon tht list today.'

    Another typo, love. So you think someone just out of high school should have the same skill-sets as the author who is one of the masters of such agreements and who has worked for some of hidden from the Forbes 400.



    You still have a couple of errors to catch!! Lol.


    I'm being charitable.


    You realize we would never agree on much of anything. That is truly ok. That is why there are individuals in this world and remarkable options. Of which that text with my very quickly written intro refers, e.g. a world of options.

    Nothing we say here will alter your opinion or mine, nor does that fact have any meaningful effect in this world. I would suggest however that in some battles, you are definately on the losing side. icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 10, 2013 2:12 AM GMT
    Good grief. Actually there's more that we agree on than you are aware, and I'm deliberately withholding because of how you are in other respects.

    I have a very good memory and remember your past pre-revised profile.
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    Mar 10, 2013 2:26 AM GMT
    Schools teach you how to work for business owners...not how to be a business owner.

    If I had a dime for every time my boss asked me how to spell something, I'd be fucking retired.
  • jock_1

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    Mar 10, 2013 1:52 PM GMT
    My biggest questions on this topic are...
    1) How can a school system pass these kids through 12 years of education?

    2) Where is the outcry from the parents or the community leaders about this?

    3) As a student, dont these kids have any self worth or self respect? Clearly they realize that they arent learning and will have little chance to succeed after thier schooling.