Bill Clinton urges The Supreme Court to strike down DOMA, a bill he signed into law in 1996.

  • MiamiRealJock

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    Mar 08, 2013 7:15 PM GMT
    Its not everyday you get to read a former president's candid words on the regrets he had about signing one of the most discriminatory bills into law almost two decades ago.

    http://thegailygrind.com/2013/03/07/bill-clinton-who-signed-doma-into-law-in-96-calls-on-the-supreme-court-to-strike-it-down/
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    Mar 08, 2013 8:20 PM GMT
    One has always found it amusing the it was a Demarcate President that was to sign this into law, and many here have always responded as if it was something the conservatives forced upon them, and now fee Willy is demanding it's abolished.icon_redface.gif
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    Mar 09, 2013 12:22 AM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/bill-clinton-says-anti-gay-marriage-law-signed-042554832.htmlWith federal lawmakers then debating various responses, "some quite draconian," many supporters of the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, believed its passage would defuse moves to push for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, Clinton wrote.

    And I do recall that being the case. In fact I recently posted on another thread remembering how our USA leaders used to discuss opening up the constitution to include a clause against us.

    By that then it is possible that DOMA--though horrible in present and in retrospect--succeeded in preventing a worse fate.
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    Mar 09, 2013 12:32 AM GMT
    I grew up 20 miles from Bill Clinton's birthplace, and know a lot of his extended family. They know I'm gay.

    He used to hang out in Little Rock at Backstreet (local gay bar) to watch drag shows with Hillary.

    He signed DOMA and DADT as preemptive measures to prevent homosexuality from becoming a criminal offense.

    Now they're outdated, so he's undoing the unforeseen damage that occurred as a result of those signatures.

    Bill has always been for gay rights. I've been "uncloseted" since before he was President (back when he was Governor of Arkansas). The man is worthy of the Nobel Prize in my opinion.
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    Mar 09, 2013 12:58 AM GMT


    "He signed DOMA and DADT as preemptive measures to prevent homosexuality from becoming a criminal offense."

    This is what we read in the news articles/opinion pieces up here.
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    Mar 09, 2013 1:08 AM GMT


    ...and

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1553878/Dont-Ask-Dont-Tell-DADT

    In the article he had a few Democrats against him on the DADT, once again proving Southbeach's liberal hen theory/insult is a complete lie. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 09, 2013 2:13 AM GMT
    liberal hen" always makes me smile; it sounds so cute.
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    Mar 09, 2013 4:21 AM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidliberal hen" always makes me smile; it sounds so cute.


    It indeed does sound cute, when in fact one has found them to be more like a pack of wolves.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 09, 2013 5:32 PM GMT
    I find it very strange that Bill Clinton now wants to repeal DOMA when he was the man who signed it into law in the first place.
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    Mar 09, 2013 5:38 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI grew up 20 miles from Bill Clinton's birthplace, and know a lot of his extended family. They know I'm gay.

    He used to hang out in Little Rock at Backstreet (local gay bar) to watch drag shows with Hillary.

    He signed DOMA and DADT as preemptive measures to prevent homosexuality from becoming a criminal offense.

    Now they're outdated, so he's undoing the unforeseen damage that occurred as a result of those signatures.

    Bill has always been for gay rights. I've been "uncloseted" since before he was President (back when he was Governor of Arkansas). The man is worthy of the Nobel Prize in my opinion.

    You've just reaffirmed my believes. I quite agree; he's indeed worthy of the Nobel Prize.
  • Whipmagic

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    Mar 09, 2013 5:40 PM GMT
    Bill Clinton is a politician at heart. First and foremost, he watches out for himself, and perhaps his wife. Back in '96 he was up for re-election, and by signing DADT and DOMA he was able to take a potential vulnerability off the table, human rights be damned. Now his reversal is about positioning himself for his legacy, and potentially his wife's presidential run in '16. Same old Bill Clinton. But still better than the alternatives at the time.
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    Mar 09, 2013 5:56 PM GMT
    Whipmagic saidBill Clinton is a politician at heart. First and foremost, he watches out for himself, and perhaps his wife. Back in '96 he was up for re-election, and by signing DADT and DOMA he was able to take a potential vulnerability off the table, human rights be damned. Now his reversal is about positioning himself for his legacy, and potentially his wife's presidential run in '16. Same old Bill Clinton. But still better than the alternatives at the time.


    This is my opinion as well. Politicians are never out to help people but to make people miserable for their own benefit
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    Mar 09, 2013 6:36 PM GMT
    O5vx said
    Whipmagic saidBill Clinton is a politician at heart. First and foremost, he watches out for himself, and perhaps his wife. Back in '96 he was up for re-election, and by signing DADT and DOMA he was able to take a potential vulnerability off the table, human rights be damned. Now his reversal is about positioning himself for his legacy, and potentially his wife's presidential run in '16. Same old Bill Clinton. But still better than the alternatives at the time.


    This is my opinion as well. Politicians are never out to help people but to make people miserable for their own benefit
    In more accurate terms, politicians are just out for their own self aggrandizement. They don't give a shit about the American people.
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    Mar 09, 2013 6:54 PM GMT
    Clinton makes a point, even though he's talking BS like every typical politician.

    He signed DOMA and DADT in the 90s, right? Gay issues in the 90s...

    Only 25-30% of Americans supported marriage equality back then. A Constitutuional amendment banning equality could DEFINITELY have been ratified back then.

    Sodomy was still a criminal offense in some jurisdictions.

    The Hawaii Supreme Court said marriage was a fundamental right, regardless of gender, but that ruling was reversed in 1998 by a ballot referendum.

    Ellen came out on her sitcom in 1997, and the media treated it as the most salacious scandal of the millennium. The show had one more season after that and it was canceled. Her career was killed for five years till she got her talk show.

    The Religious Right had even greater influence back then...it even had a grip on a good number of Democrats, especially ones from the South or the Great Plains.

    Taking these factors into consideration, you have to at least concede that Clinton could NEVER have realistically come out in favor of GLBTQ equality.
  • HottJoe

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    Mar 09, 2013 7:01 PM GMT
    tru_blu_aussie saidOne has always found it amusing the it was a Demarcate President that was to sign this into law, and many here have always responded as if it was something the conservatives forced upon them, and now fee Willy is demanding it's abolished.icon_redface.gif


    No one cares what a bonafide molester has to say, so stfu.icon_evil.gif
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    Mar 09, 2013 7:12 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    tru_blu_aussie saidOne has always found it amusing the it was a Demarcate President that was to sign this into law, and many here have always responded as if it was something the conservatives forced upon them, and now fee Willy is demanding it's abolished.icon_redface.gif


    No one cares what a bonafide molester has to say, so stfu.icon_evil.gif
    You are hilarious.icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Mar 09, 2013 7:47 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    meninlove said

    "He signed DOMA and DADT as preemptive measures to prevent homosexuality from becoming a criminal offense."

    This is what we read in the news articles/opinion pieces up here.

    Yes, and it's nonsense and a rewriting of history.

    Read what Mike Signorile has to say in Huffington Post on that issue:

    http://tinyurl.com/aradn7d


    Thanks Sharky! That puts an interesting perspective on it, especially the hot potatoe passing, lol..
  • ScandalFan

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    Mar 09, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
    Way too little, way too late. Period.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelangelo-signorile/bill-clinton-and-doma-the_b_2838666.h
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    Aristoshark said
    meninlove said

    "He signed DOMA and DADT as preemptive measures to prevent homosexuality from becoming a criminal offense."

    This is what we read in the news articles/opinion pieces up here.

    Yes, and it's nonsense and a rewriting of history.

    Read what Mike Signorile has to say in Huffington Post on that issue:

    http://tinyurl.com/aradn7d


    From your referenced article:

    "Clinton has at various points engaged in revisionist history in offering the reasons why he signed DOMA after the GOP pushed the law through Congress. The most disingenuous attempt was in 2009 when he, following on claims a year earlier by Hillary Clinton's campaign, stated that Democrats were trying to stop a constitutional amendment from being passed. In fact, gay activists cannot recall any mention of a constitutional amendment until years later.

    ''That's complete nonsense," Evan Wolfson of Freedom to Marry told Metro Weekly in 2011. "There was no conversation about something 'worse' until eight years later. There was no talk of a constitutional amendment, and no one even thought it was possible -- and, of course, it turned out it wasn't really possible to happen... That was never an argument made in the '90s.''

    The reason Bill Clinton signed DOMA is, quite simply, because he refused to be leader on a civil rights issue, irrationally fearful of the ramifications of vetoing the bill and rationalizing the damage caused by signing it. That refusal to take leadership really goes back to day one of his presidency. That was when he signaled to the GOP, like a frightened person on the street signals fear to a barking dog, that he was deathly afraid of the gay issue and would not be a leader on it
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    A) I hate the idea that I had disinformation in my brain
    B) Why do I not recall a stink being made about this in 2009?

    Anyway, just found this

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/03/08/why-bill-clinton-signed-doma/
    Why did he sign it in the first place? On the New Yorker Web site, Richard Socarides, an adviser to the Clinton White House on gay issues, explains:


    As Republicans prepared for the 1996 Presidential election, they came up with what they thought was an extremely clever strategy. A gay-rights lawsuit in Hawaii was gaining press coverage as an initial series of preliminary court rulings suggested that gay marriage might be legally conceivable there. Clinton was on the record opposing marriage equality. But Republicans in Congress believed that he would still veto legislation banning federal recognition of otherwise valid same-sex marriages, giving them a campaign issue: the defense of marriage.

    Instead, worried about his reelection prospects and scarred by the battle over Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, Clinton signed the bill. Socarides argues that, given the large congressional majorities behind the legislation, lawmakers likely would have overriden a veto anyway.

    It was part of Socarides’s job at the time to explain the vote to gay and lesbian voters. He has been criticized himself for defending Clinton’s position.

    “I think that for him, it is a very principled decision,” he told the Advocate in 1996.

    It’s a defense that has gotten Socarides himself some grief from gay-rights activists.
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    tru_blu_aussie saidOne has always found it amusing the it was a Demarcate President that was to sign this into law, and many here have always responded as if it was something the conservatives forced upon them, and now fee Willy is demanding it's abolished.icon_redface.gif


    No one cares what a bonafide molester has to say, so stfu.icon_evil.gif


    You truly do have a true calling for writting fiction, now don't you; bless your heart. But enduring torture as a child for standing up to bullies, because I would not step down on the issue of me knowing at such a young age, that I was a Bona Fide Homosexual, has put one in good stead, to endure the bullies here at RJ, because haters are gonna hate no matter what.

    But........You truly do have some issues to work though now don't you; thank god there is help our here for you. But now aren't all gays meant to be molesters? But then many groups now days are shoved under the one banner of gay. Thus we have a need for a banner for us Bona Fide Homosexuals, as we are not bisexuals, or heterosexuals, we have always been homosexual, as we were born that way.


    But the truth is Fee Willy Bill Clinton who did indeed turn the White House into the Dirtiest Little Whorehouse in Washington, and ruined the life of a young intern, with lies, and perjury. Was also the Democrats president who was too sign into law DADT, and DOMA, and thats is the truth, yet the left of America try to blame the conservatives for it. Sorry it hurts you so much, but I did not do it; Bill did.
  • offshore

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    Mar 09, 2013 11:49 PM GMT
    tru_blu_aussie said
    HottJoe said
    tru_blu_aussie saidOne has always found it amusing the it was a Demarcate President that was to sign this into law, and many here have always responded as if it was something the conservatives forced upon them, and now fee Willy is demanding it's abolished.icon_redface.gif


    No one cares what a bonafide molester has to say, so stfu.icon_evil.gif


    You truly do have a true calling for writting fiction, now don't you; bless your heart.

    But........You truly do have some issues to work though now don't you; thank god there is help our here for you. But now aren't all gays meant to be molesters? But then many groups now days are shoved under the one banner of gay. Thus we have a need for a banner for us Bona Fide Homosexuals, as we are not bisexuals, or heterosexuals, we have always been homosexual, as we were born that way.


    But the truth is Fee Willy Bill Clinton who did indeed turn the White House into the Dirtiest Little Whorehouse in Washington, and ruined the life of a young intern, with lies, and perjury. Was also the Democrats president who was too sign into law DADT, and DOMA, and thats is the truth, yet the left of America try to blame the conservatives for it. Sorry it hurts you so much, but I did not do it; Bill did.


    Yo, your psychiatrist called, she wants you back in the ward asap
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    offshore said
    tru_blu_aussie said
    HottJoe said
    tru_blu_aussie saidOne has always found it amusing the it was a Demarcate President that was to sign this into law, and many here have always responded as if it was something the conservatives forced upon them, and now fee Willy is demanding it's abolished.icon_redface.gif


    No one cares what a bonafide molester has to say, so stfu.icon_evil.gif


    You truly do have a true calling for writting fiction, now don't you; bless your heart.

    But........You truly do have some issues to work though now don't you; thank god there is help our here for you. But now aren't all gays meant to be molesters? But then many groups now days are shoved under the one banner of gay. Thus we have a need for a banner for us Bona Fide Homosexuals, as we are not bisexuals, or heterosexuals, we have always been homosexual, as we were born that way.


    But the truth is Fee Willy Bill Clinton who did indeed turn the White House into the Dirtiest Little Whorehouse in Washington, and ruined the life of a young intern, with lies, and perjury. Was also the Democrats president who was too sign into law DADT, and DOMA, and thats is the truth, yet the left of America try to blame the conservatives for it. Sorry it hurts you so much, but I did not do it; Bill did.


    Yo, your psychiatrist called, she wants you back in the ward asap


    Now we are truly talking about issues. Cupcake, one got the number, and you once again are mistaken, as his appointment book is filled with appointments, over the next year to help you work though your issues of hate. But I told them that haters are gonna hate no matter what.

    My heart goes out to your parents who had to flee hate, to only have a son who does what they had to flee from; or was it your hatful actions they paid a price for?
  • Whipmagic

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    Mar 10, 2013 12:56 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidObama "evolved" to the position many Republicans have had all along, which is that it is an issue to be decided by the states. (I disagree with this position and believe it should be Federally recognized).

    Clinton is positioning the Clinton "brand" for a possible Hillary run in 2016.


    Actually, Obama continues to evolve, and is now closer to your position than any major elected republican. In his inaugural address, he put the struggle for LGBT equality in the context of women's suffrage and the african american civil rights movement - clearly issues that were eventually settled at the federal level. And his brief in DOMA and Prop8 is quite explicit: This is a federal constitutional issue, and hightened scrutiny should apply to federal and state laws that discriminate against us - the same level of scrutiny that is applied when it comes to discrimination based on sex. That's just as close as you can come to saying that there should be a constitutional right to same-sex marriage without actually saying it.
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    southbeach1500 saidObama "evolved" to the position many Republicans have had all along, which is that it is an issue to be decided by the states. (I disagree with this position and believe it should be Federally recognized).

    Clinton is positioning the Clinton "brand" for a possible Hillary run in 2016.


    Yes now he is unemployed, he has to send the missus out to work.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Mar 10, 2013 1:52 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    meninlove said

    "He signed DOMA and DADT as preemptive measures to prevent homosexuality from becoming a criminal offense."

    This is what we read in the news articles/opinion pieces up here.

    Yes, and it's nonsense and a rewriting of history.

    Read what Mike Signorile has to say in Huffington Post on that issue:

    http://tinyurl.com/aradn7d


    Those of us who were alive and political junkies in 1996 remember that DOMA was a direct result of the panic of Democrats and gay rights activists after the Baehr vs. Mike ruling in Hawaii -- which indicated that gay couples might have a right to marry under the state's equal protection clause -- prompted talk of a federal marriage amendment from homphobes and evangelicals. Since gay marriage was and the Baehr vs. Mike ruling was highly unpopular, such an amendment would likely have passed.

    If you weren't around back then, a simple Google search could inform you about all this. I can only assume either that Signorile doesn't have a computer, was born in 1997, or is just a bold-faced liar.

    Compromise is mesy and progress comes in fits and starts, but Bill Clinton is a political genius and the best President of my lifetime. His skilled compromises (and willingness to take the hit from brainless critics like Mike Signorile) enabled the progressive victories we are now enjoying.