The Adonis Factor

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    Mar 09, 2013 11:00 PM GMT
    Stumbled across this documentary that talks about how important looks are in the gay community and the negative effects that has on us. If you have 40-ish minutes, take a look!



    This is all really sad, and wayyy too true, but I'm not sure if people who watch this will change their emphasis on looks. It definitely opens up the door for conversation, though. I know I'll definitely still be going to the gym, but there's a fine line between wanting to look good and letting "looking good" define how you relate to people and I have to be careful not to cross it. I'm not sure if this is a problem only with the gays, either. It may be just that we're more blatant about it. I feel like straight women judge straight men just as harshly and vice-versa. Thoughts?
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    Mar 09, 2013 11:03 PM GMT
    It's not just a gay thing. Looks account for a lot in society, in general.
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    Mar 09, 2013 11:11 PM GMT
    Everyone wants a nice-looking car, nice-looking clothes, nice-looking living arrangements, nice-looking hair, nice-looking everything...yet when someone says they want a nice-looking body, people call them superficial.

    That, is the sad part.

    It's really sad that striving to look good (and subsequently be healthier) is considered superficial. I, for one, disagree with everything that documentary stands for.

    <-- lost 70 lbs to "look good."
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    Mar 09, 2013 11:18 PM GMT
    I've wanted to catch this but could never find a link, thanks for posting.
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    Mar 09, 2013 11:32 PM GMT
    This Adonis series has been out for a while

    Things are changing and peeps are getting mixed now with the sub culture...BEARS, Add in apps Growlr and Scruff, its really a growing evolution

    All about Bear
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100819124133AA52EbD

    http://wherethebearsare.tv/index.html

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    getting very popular in LA
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    Mar 09, 2013 11:32 PM GMT
    S34n05 saidI've wanted to catch this but could never find a link, thanks for posting.


    The full movie is on Netflix too.

    I love this documentary. I think it's really insightful.
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    Mar 09, 2013 11:34 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidEveryone wants a nice-looking car, nice-looking clothes, nice-looking living arrangements, nice-looking hair, nice-looking everything...yet when someone says they want a nice-looking body, people call them superficial.

    That, is the sad part.

    It's really sad that striving to look good (and subsequently be healthier) is considered superficial. I, for one, disagree with everything that documentary stands for.

    <-- lost 70 lbs to "look good."


    Haha and you DO look great! Congrats, man! I love this other perspective. I feel like people are still considered superficial for wanting all those things you listed, though. Those are the things that people are labeled as "materialistic" for -- caring about looks and being materialistic are pretty closely related, I think.

    I think caring about health is awesome and being truly fit (fit doesn't necessarily mean muscular, either...) is great! But where I definitely agree with the documentary is that it becomes harmful when people are judged for how much they look like a certain idea of what's perfect. Haha by no means am I a perfect angel, though! I've been on both the giving and the receiving ends of people's judgement, and want to look good, and want to have nice things. Something we/I could definitely work on... icon_redface.gificon_redface.gif
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    Mar 09, 2013 11:35 PM GMT
    scruffLA saidThis Adonis series has been out for a while

    Things are changing and peeps are getting mixed now with the sub culture...BEARS, Add in apps Growlr and Scruff, its really a growing evolution

    All about Bear
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100819124133AA52EbD

    http://wherethebearsare.tv/index.html

    bears.jpg


    Explain why leather bars are seeing a decline. icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 09, 2013 11:50 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    scruffLA saidThis Adonis series has been out for a while

    Things are changing and peeps are getting mixed now with the sub culture...BEARS, Add in apps Growlr and Scruff, its really a growing evolution

    All about Bear
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100819124133AA52EbD

    http://wherethebearsare.tv/index.html

    bears.jpg


    Explain why leather bars are seeing a decline. icon_wink.gif


    they are? i dunno, the traditional gay leather bar (strict uniform) has been around since Stonewall, maybe the more relaxed Bear phenomenon is actually the subculture created from the beauty Adonis factor, Bear doesnt always mean leather or vise versa
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    Mar 10, 2013 12:08 AM GMT
    S34n05 saidI've wanted to catch this but could never find a link, thanks for posting.


    Shoot, apparently this isn't the full documentary! My bad! The clip I posted opens and closes and seems like a complete story, but on IMDB, it says the runtime should be about 70 minutes.

    Watching another one on Logo called "The Butch Factor" which talks about the struggle gay men face in defining what it means to be a man. SO INTERESTING!!
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    Mar 10, 2013 12:46 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    paulflexes said
    scruffLA saidThis Adonis series has been out for a while

    Things are changing and peeps are getting mixed now with the sub culture...BEARS, Add in apps Growlr and Scruff, its really a growing evolution

    All about Bear
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100819124133AA52EbD

    http://wherethebearsare.tv/index.html

    bears.jpg


    Explain why leather bars are seeing a decline. icon_wink.gif
    ... Bear doesnt always mean leather or vise versa
    As a former photographer of the Tampa Bay Bears, I'm fully aware of this. icon_wink.gif

    The term "leather bar" is a catch-all for "miscellaneous fetish and unconventional."

    As a fetishist myself, I've always felt right at home in leather bars.

    However, body hair is becoming more and more of a nuisance than a sexually appealing attribute. It's itchy, things get stuck in it, it gets sweaty and stinky very fast, and it hides body tone (if applicable). Tangibly speaking, it also gives a "pet animal" feel to a person when touching them, as apposed to touching a person's smooth/trimmed skin that drapes elegantly over the body tone.

    And don't even get me started on the evolution of sweat glands to replace "heat fins" (aka: body hairs) to control body temperature. icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 10, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    Is there any chance for me to watch these documentaries when I'm based in Poland?
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    Mar 10, 2013 1:06 AM GMT
    GraffitiMySoul26 saidIs there any chance for me to watch these documentaries when I'm based in Poland?


    I've watched it on Netflix, I'm not sure if every video is accessible in all territories but I would check there first.
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    Mar 10, 2013 1:08 AM GMT
    It's not just gays. Ever read Cosmo or Men's Health? It's everyone.
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    Mar 10, 2013 1:12 AM GMT
    funkyfresh saidStumbled across this documentary that talks about how important looks are in the gay community and the negative effects that has on us. If you have 40-ish minutes, take a look!



    This is all really sad, and wayyy too true, but I'm not sure if people who watch this will change their emphasis on looks. It definitely opens up the door for conversation, though. I know I'll definitely still be going to the gym, but there's a fine line between wanting to look good and letting "looking good" define how you relate to people and I have to be careful not to cross it. I'm not sure if this is a problem only with the gays, either. It may be just that we're more blatant about it. I feel like straight women judge straight men just as harshly and vice-versa. Thoughts?


    "The Adonis Factor" is available for streaming on Netflix.

    Men are very visual, and, being is shape is generally A VERY GOOD A THING. Now, it's a given that fat asses, and folks too lazy to work out; take care of themselves will be treated differently, and hang in a different crowd. We tend to congregate with like minded people, whether it's false belief systems (religion), work, physical activities. That's a fact of life. E.g., I don't hang with smokers (ick). Just because someone identifies as gay does not mean I have to like them. PERIOD.

    Physical attraction is often the beginning of a connection, like it or, not.

    This, of course, isn't strictly a queer guy thing. In 2007, Congress commissioned a study on bodybuilding / AAS users. What it found out was very revealing. The folks that did it had better educations, were healthier, were more health conscious, made more money, had more positions of leadership, AND LIVED LONGER, that their sedentary counterparts. GAO was quick to point out that any misinformation campaign would be unsuccessful with these bright, disciplined, critical thinkers.

    Like it or, not, even at the PRIMAL level, a well groomed, in shape, articulate guy will get a different response than a fat ass, or someone who doesn't take care of themselves. It's in our genes.

    Over the years, I've watched folks react to how I look when I enter a room. Most times, it works for me, but, for those who are insecure, it works against me.

    Madison Avenue has done much to shape popular culture, but, as you mature, it doesn't matter; you're more inclined to do your own thing.

    This site, Real Jock, has a demographic of gay and bi athletes. That's life.
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    Mar 10, 2013 1:12 AM GMT
    well to be fair, some people don't care.

    sometimes i feel if a guy is too hot or tries too hard it comes off as not sexy really. it's like this porcelain doll with no eroticism.

    i have had an intense orgasm with a guy that was 270 pounds so i dislike being shallow however 280 lbs is most likely my weight limit for finding somebody attractive.

    there are multiple components if i find a guy attractive or not.

    trust me, having a hot body definitely helps and im not gonna lie and say an obese 400 pound man would ever turn me on, but visual stimulation is just one aspect of attraction to me.
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    Mar 10, 2013 4:53 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    scruffLA said
    paulflexes said
    scruffLA saidThis Adonis series has been out for a while

    Things are changing and peeps are getting mixed now with the sub culture...BEARS, Add in apps Growlr and Scruff, its really a growing evolution

    All about Bear
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100819124133AA52EbD

    http://wherethebearsare.tv/index.html

    bears.jpg


    Explain why leather bars are seeing a decline. icon_wink.gif
    ... Bear doesnt always mean leather or vise versa
    As a former photographer of the Tampa Bay Bears, I'm fully aware of this. icon_wink.gif

    The term "leather bar" is a catch-all for "miscellaneous fetish and unconventional."

    As a fetishist myself, I've always felt right at home in leather bars.

    However, body hair is becoming more and more of a nuisance than a sexually appealing attribute. It's itchy, things get stuck in it, it gets sweaty and stinky very fast, and it hides body tone (if applicable). Tangibly speaking, it also gives a "pet animal" feel to a person when touching them, as apposed to touching a person's smooth/trimmed skin that drapes elegantly over the body tone.

    And don't even get me started on the evolution of sweat glands to replace "heat fins" (aka: body hairs) to control body temperature. icon_wink.gif



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    Mar 10, 2013 5:00 AM GMT
    Its all good when the guy has the right attitude. However in all fairness, there are some pretty superficial guys out there.
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    Mar 10, 2013 5:04 AM GMT
    They haven't said anything new ... It has always be in the gay community that if you don't have looks, then you better have money ... looks used to be just youth, but now as the new out gay community ages they have to maintain those looks .... but not to worry the clicks are abundant and if you don't fit in one click you will fit in another
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    Mar 10, 2013 6:20 AM GMT
    So now you know guys... if you wanna look good hang out with the bears icon_lol.gif nah I kid the bears... I love them, those hairy, sweaty, stinky, musty bears.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 10, 2013 1:24 PM GMT
    omg hot toddy *drools*


    i saw this doc a few years ago. was a nice watch.
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    Mar 10, 2013 11:10 PM GMT
    You know what's really ironic?

    The fact that this documentary about how bad it is to be superficial is loaded with hot guys, with just a few fugly fuckers to make the fugly fuckers feel better about themselves.

    Has anyone else noticed this?
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    Mar 10, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
    Everything is terrible.
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    Mar 10, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
    I saw that awhile ago with my friend Angel, and even though we were both drooling over the super hot guys in the film, we both agreed that it's slightly exaggerated in that it tended to exploit a stereotype by comparing extreme examples, whereas based on my experiences, I don't have a perfect body at all yet people approach me all the time at bars and clubs, and I'm talking both men and women here.
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    Mar 11, 2013 2:30 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidYou know what's really ironic?

    The fact that this documentary about how bad it is to be superficial is loaded with hot guys, with just a few fugly fuckers to make the fugly fuckers feel better about themselves.

    Has anyone else noticed this?


    Haha paul, you're hilarious -- love how straight up this is. I thought about the exact same thing in the shower the other day too, though! Yes, these guys that are... fugly... obviously have more of a beef with this culture than someone who's Bradd Pitt-gorgeous does. But I mean, that fact alone doesn't necessarily mean that the point is any less relevant, does it?