Finding a model (in Japan, or online), so much trouble.

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    Mar 10, 2013 3:24 AM GMT
    Ever since I had my first live model drawing lesson I was hooked.
    Even though we can always practice drawing people in the street or some other public place, which is always useful and no less necessary, being able to take your time with nude or non-nude models is a privilege.

    In my experience it has been extraordinarily hard to find models, be it friends or hired, to work with. I have treasured every single opportunity I have been given to the best of my ability.
    I am not an established artist, and even with my regular job, I often struggle to pay bills, taxes and groceries, leaving little to no money to hire a model.
    I am sure I am not the only one facing this general predicament.
    Added to that comes the fact that hiring models online (especially in Japan) is virtually impossible. Inviting someone face to face is highly unlikely to receive a positive response.

    So the financial conundrum and the difficulty in actually being able to find, and agree with, someone on a good base of conditions to proceed to the the actual stage of drawing, become an actual vicious cycle of frustration and art production impairment.

    In this predicament, I have found alternative solutions that are only partial achievements, due to the limitations of their circumstances.
    Drawing from reference + begging friends to pose for you and pray that when the session starts you still have creative energy left from the begging step + hire a model to pose for you via webcam (customized reference shots).

    To be completely honest, I have considered the possibility of making a sort of manifesto, stating all my goals and conditions for a peaceful and successful artist-model relationship. I even considered doing that and having it translated into any of the languages necessary. (Of course, all of that costs money - a LOT of money - but I am willing to proceed with the investment.)

    Other than this, and until I can afford anything like hiring through "model mayhem" or any other medium, I have no idea of how to be able to find and work with models.

    Please share and comment if you're an artist who has or is facing similar difficulties.
  • Timbales

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    Mar 10, 2013 4:15 AM GMT
    Have you checked around to see if there are any open sessions in your area?

    I don't live in a large city, but there is an open session near the university that only charges like $7 for 3 hours.
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    Mar 10, 2013 1:12 PM GMT
    Timbales saidHave you checked around to see if there are any open sessions in your area?

    I don't live in a large city, but there is an open session near the university that only charges like $7 for 3 hours.


    Timbales, thanks so much for your reply!
    I live in Japan, there's a huge language barrier! icon_redface.gif
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    Mar 10, 2013 1:23 PM GMT
    lol you act as if modelmayhem is a website for professional models.
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    Mar 10, 2013 1:31 PM GMT
    kad0 said
    Timbales saidHave you checked around to see if there are any open sessions in your area?

    I don't live in a large city, but there is an open session near the university that only charges like $7 for 3 hours.


    Timbales, thanks so much for your reply!
    I live in Japan, there's a huge language barrier! icon_redface.gif


    Then learn the language.
  • Timbales

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    Mar 10, 2013 4:02 PM GMT
    you could try using software like Daz Studio http://www.daz3d.com/ that is free and comes with some free models that you can pose and draw from.
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    Mar 10, 2013 4:38 PM GMT
    Draw yourself. Also, when you get board of drawing yourself, practice on particular parts of the body to focus on where the muscles connect to each other and where bones are exposed.
    Ex: the torso and how it contorts with the hips
    the hips with the legs
    the arms (how the 2 heads of the biceps work with the flexors of the forearms and how the 3 heads of the triceps work with the extendors of the forearms)
    the collar bone and shoulder blades

    Also, draw how the skeletal and muscular system are positioned in such poses (without the skin). This will give you a better understanding of how the human body works. Pick up a couple of anatomy books with plenty of reference pictures of both of those systems to help you with these

    Best of luck :]
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    Mar 10, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
    McQueen saidlol you act as if modelmayhem is a website for professional models.


    I don't act. Last time I checked it - it was.
    Perhaps it's changed into something else.
    Feel free to enlighten me on what it may have become.
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    Mar 10, 2013 11:43 PM GMT
    southern89 saidDraw yourself. Also, when you get board of drawing yourself, practice on particular parts of the body to focus on where the muscles connect to each other and where bones are exposed.
    Ex: the torso and how it contorts with the hips
    the hips with the legs
    the arms (how the 2 heads of the biceps work with the flexors of the forearms and how the 3 heads of the triceps work with the extendors of the forearms)
    the collar bone and shoulder blades

    Also, draw how the skeletal and muscular system are positioned in such poses (without the skin). This will give you a better understanding of how the human body works. Pick up a couple of anatomy books with plenty of reference pictures of both of those systems to help you with these

    Best of luck :]


    This is some very refreshing advice!
    Thanks, I will definitely do this too!
    all the best!
  • Kel_

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    Mar 10, 2013 11:48 PM GMT
    I've only started drawing earlier last year, started off with portrait, then expanded by adding limbs (shoulder, arms, torso) but not full figure, yet.

    Show us some of your work icon_razz.gif
    I have some in my profile, feel free to check them out. I usually get request from friends, but I tend to surprise them by asking a photo reference instead.
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    Mar 11, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
    Kel_ saidI've only started drawing earlier last year, started off with portrait, then expanded by adding limbs (shoulder, arms, torso) but not full figure, yet.

    Show us some of your work icon_razz.gif
    I have some in my profile, feel free to check them out. I usually get request from friends, but I tend to surprise them by asking a photo reference instead.


    I didn't start this forum in order to plug my already existing work ;)
    but if you're interested, send me a pvt message and I'll link you to my online galleries =)!

    nice drawings by the way!
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    Mar 11, 2013 12:50 AM GMT
    kad0 said
    southern89 saidDraw yourself. Also, when you get board of drawing yourself, practice on particular parts of the body to focus on where the muscles connect to each other and where bones are exposed.
    Ex: the torso and how it contorts with the hips
    the hips with the legs
    the arms (how the 2 heads of the biceps work with the flexors of the forearms and how the 3 heads of the triceps work with the extendors of the forearms)
    the collar bone and shoulder blades

    Also, draw how the skeletal and muscular system are positioned in such poses (without the skin). This will give you a better understanding of how the human body works. Pick up a couple of anatomy books with plenty of reference pictures of both of those systems to help you with these

    Best of luck :]


    This is some very refreshing advice!
    Thanks, I will definitely do this too!
    all the best!


    No prob! Glad I could help.
    Just remember to keep drawing icon_razz.gif
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    Mar 13, 2013 2:27 AM GMT
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    McQueen saidlol you act as if modelmayhem is a website for professional models.
    I don't act. Last time I checked it - it was.
    Perhaps it's changed into something else.
    Feel free to enlighten me on what it may have become.
    there are amateurs out the asshole on that website. just join it and look through and find somebody who's obsessed with themselves and will model for free.
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    Mar 13, 2013 5:05 AM GMT
    This is an interesting topic and I will use this thread as my first post on the RJ site. I think I have the experience and credibility to offer my thoughts on obtaining models. When I first started photography during the summer of 2006, my dog Zaw (RIP) was my goto model. Then, I asked my good friends to allow me to practice my photography.

    Long story story, I moved from my dog, to my friend, or professional models. I never pay my models, because being photographed by me is a form of payment to them.

    I don't know where in Japan you are, but if you're seeking models for artistic nudes, ModelMayhem is a great resource. If you live near a university, talk to the professor of the art nude class to see if you could have the contact information of their artist. It doesn't hurt to ask. The worst they could do is say, "No" or decline to disclose any information.

    From reading your post, ModelMayhem has a negative association, but I want to point out the site's strength. I found most of my models there. They are professional and never appeared late and never flaked on me. You have to do your part and due diligence by checking up references from other artists to see if the model you wish to work with is professional.

    Good luck. If you have questions, feel free to contact me.
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    Mar 13, 2013 5:29 AM GMT
    McQueen said
    kad0 said
    McQueen saidlol you act as if modelmayhem is a website for professional models.
    I don't act. Last time I checked it - it was.
    Perhaps it's changed into something else.
    Feel free to enlighten me on what it may have become.
    there are amateurs out the asshole on that website. just join it and look through and find somebody who's obsessed with themselves and will model for free.


    You really never have anything nice to say or give any actual advise to help people do you?
    The guy is asking for advise and all you do is mock him.

    I've never been on the site, nor do I need to, but life drawing models and fashion/photography models are far from similar.

    And anyways.. even if the site is full of amateurs, you could hire them for cheap, help them with poses, and do couple minute gesture drawings if they cannot hold the pose for long