A Message to orthodox & fundie Jews & catholics : King David was a bisexual & was a gay before death

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    Mar 10, 2013 7:27 AM GMT
    David and Jonathan

    7 Some important verses which describe their relationship are: 1 Samuel 18:1
    ", Jonathan became one in spirit withDavid and he loved him as himself." (NIV)
    ", the soul of Jonathan was knit withthe soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul" (KJV)
    Most translations use the term "soul" rather than "spirit" to describe the bond. They speak of an "immediate bond of love", their souls being "in unison," their souls being "knit", etc. Genesis 2:7, as written in the originalHebrew, describes how God blew the spirit into the body of Adam thatGod had formed from earth, so that Adam became a living soul. This means that "soul", in the ancient Israelite times, represents a combination of body and spirit. Thus the two men appear to have loved each other both physically and emotionally.
    1 Samuel 18:2
    "From that day, Saul kept David with him and did not let him return to his father's house." (NIV)
    David left his parent's home and moved to Saul's where he would be with Jonathan. This is a strong indication that the relationship was extremely close. It echoes the passage marriage passage in Genesis 2:24: "Therefore shall a man leave hisfather and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
    1 Samuel 18:3-4
    "And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David,along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt." (NIV)
    Since people in those days did not wear underwear, Jonathan stripped himself Unclad in front of David. Thatwould be considered extremely unusual behavior (then and now) unless their relationship was physical.
    1 Samuel 18:20-21
    "Now Saul's daughter Michal was in love with David, and when they told Saul about it, he was pleased. 'I will give her to him', he thought, 'so that she may be a snare to him and so that the hand of the Philistines may be against him'. Now you have asecond opportunity to become my son-in-law" (NIV)
    In the King James Version, the end of Verse 21 reads:
    "Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law, in the one of the twain." (KJV)
    Saul's belief was that David would beso distracted by a wife that he wouldnot be an effective fighter and would be killed by the Philistines. He offered first his daughter Merab, but that was rejected, presumably by her. Then he offered Michal. There isan interesting phrase used at the end of verse 21. In both the NIV and KJV, it would seem that David's first opportunity to be a son-in-law was with the older daughter Merab, and his second was with the youngerdaughter Michal. The KJV preserves the original text in its clearest form; itimplies that David would become Saul's son-in-law through "one of thetwain." "Twain" means "two", so theverse seems to refer to one of Saul'stwo daughters. Unfortunately, this is a mistranslation. The underlined phrase "the one of" does not exist inthe Hebrew original. The words are shown in italics in the King James Version; this is an admission by the translators that they made the wordsup. Thus, if the KJV translators had been truly honest, they would have written:
    "Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law, in the twain."
    In modern English, this might be written: "Today, you are son-in-law with two of my children" That wouldrefer to both his son Jonathan and his daughter Michal. The Hebrew original would appear to recognize David and Jonathan's homosexual relationship as equivalent to David and Michal's heterosexual marriage. Saul may have approved or disapproved of the same-sex relationship; but at least he appears to have recognized it. The KJV highlight their re-writing of the Hebrew original by placing the three words in italics; the NIV translation is clearly deceptive.
    1 Samuel 20:41
    "After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with is face to the ground. Then they kissed each otherand wept together - but David weptthe most." (NIV)
    The translators of the Living Bible apparently could not handle the thought of two adult men kissing, sothey mistranslated the passage by saying that the two men shook hands! This is somewhat less than honest. The original Hebrew text says that they kissed each other and wept together until David became great. The word which means"great" in this passage is "gadal" in the original Hebrew. The same word is used elsewhere in the Hebrew Scriptures to refer to King Solomon being greater than all other kings. Some theologians interpret "gadal" inthis verse as indicating that David hadan Attention. However, the thoughts of David becoming sexually excited after kissing Jonathan may have been too threatening for Bible translators. They either deleted the ending entirely or created one of their own.
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    Mar 10, 2013 8:29 AM GMT
    Very interesting Zeriel.

    If what you said here is true, then it brings into question the whole bible. As a religous gay man, I find this very interesting.
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    Mar 10, 2013 9:08 AM GMT
    Yes ... you have learned well
    You might also want to read about the Roman Soldier who came to Jesus and asked if Jesus would heal is servant .. the world servant was a later interpretation of a Greek word which actually referred to a male lover
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    Mar 10, 2013 11:07 AM GMT
    yes jezus accepted & affirmed a gay couple in Matthew 19

    its very true jesus accepted but that jerk paul again made his own rules after gospel

    its my effort for all gays who have faith in jesus to continue having it
    coz its new testament & old testament abuse of gays is rejected by jesus
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    Mar 10, 2013 11:16 AM GMT
    Be very careful with translations and interpretations from the bible...

    ..I had a group discussion a few years ago with 2 church elders that thought king Solomon was very bisexual...

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    Mar 12, 2013 3:15 PM GMT
    might be or maybe not
    but David was a gay 4 sho