Detroit's decline

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    Mar 10, 2013 6:36 PM GMT
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/03/10/look_to_detroit__youll_see_where_obamas_policies_will_take_us_117367.html
  • rnch

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    Mar 10, 2013 9:46 PM GMT
    Keep drinking the Fox Feaux News kool-aide, topathelete......


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    Mar 11, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
    And one of the major reasons why

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/11/kwame-kilpatrick-guilty-detroit-trial_n_2784873.html
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    Mar 12, 2013 3:59 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidInterestingly, Atlanta is the next Detroit.


    Haven't been paying attention. Why though? Is Atlanta run by Democrats?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 12, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidInterestingly, Atlanta is the next Detroit.
    Not really true. The City of Atlanta itself has been regaining population and in fact a large percentage of it is white. The city's black population is decamping for most of its suburbs. Places like Marietta and Sandy Springs might become the "next Detroit".

    The City of Detroit has rapidly declined not only because of violent crime, aging infrastructure and factory closings. It has also declined because of one political party rule for too damned long. The democrats have ruined that city with their disastrous urban renewal and expressway projects along with forced busing from extremist liberal federal judges and pandering to the unmotivated urban poor who did nothing but bitch and complain but were quick to get on the public dole. High taxation also killed these cities. Grave incompetence and excessive corruption in city government was also major killers. Sadly this is also true of most other older, northern cities especially St. Louis, Milwaukee, Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo, Newark, Philadelphia, and Baltimore.

    Here in my hometown of Buffalo, we are electing a mayor this year but there seems to be no viable political opponents to take on the ethically challenged, brain dead incumbent Byron Brown. Because he is black and a democrat chances are he will get reelected by only a small percentage of the city's registered voters. Most of Buffalo's white and Hispanic voters will get disgusted and end up staying home. A very sad scenario indeed. icon_sad.gif
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    Mar 12, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    southbeach1500 saidInterestingly, Atlanta is the next Detroit.
    Not really true. The City of Atlanta itself has been regaining population and in fact a large percentage of it is white. The city's black population is decamping for most of its suburbs. Places like Marietta and Sandy Springs might become the "next Detroit".

    The City of Detroit has rapidly declined not only because of violent crime, aging infrastructure and factory closings. It has also declined because of one political party rule for too damned long. The democrats have ruined that city with their disastrous urban renewal and expressway projects along with forced busing from extremist liberal federal judges and pandering to the unmotivated urban poor who did nothing but bitch and complain but were quick to get on the public dole. High taxation also killed these cities. Grave incompetence and excessive corruption in city government was also major killers. Sadly this is also true of most other older, northern cities especially St. Louis, Milwaukee, Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo, Newark, Philadelphia, and Baltimore.

    Here in my hometown of Buffalo, we are electing a mayor this year but there seems to be no viable political opponents to take on the ethically challenged, brain dead incumbent Byron Brown. Because he is black and a democrat chances are he will get reelected by only a small percentage of the city's registered voters. Most of Buffalo's white and Hispanic voters will get disgusted and end up staying home. A very sad scenario indeed. icon_sad.gif


    Can't disagree with much, if any, of the above. Your Buffalo mayoral contest sounds much like what has happened in Detroit for decades.

    In Columbus, we've had a mix over the years of conservative democrats and moderate republicans (mostly republicans) and it's worked quite well.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Columbus,_Ohio

    The other successful northern midwest city, Indianapolis, has had approximately the same for city government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Indianapolis

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    Mar 12, 2013 9:31 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    roadbikeRob saidThe City of Detroit has rapidly declined not only because of violent crime, aging infrastructure and factory closings. It has also declined because of one political party rule for too damned long. The democrats have ruined that city with their disastrous urban renewal and expressway projects along with forced busing from extremist liberal federal judges and pandering to the unmotivated urban poor who did nothing but bitch and complain but were quick to get on the public dole.

    1) Detroit never had busing, you dumb fuck. It was repeatedly proposed but never carried out.
    2) The expressway projects were not a partisan issue, They were supported by auto companies who collaborated in the destruction of Detroit's streetcar system and they backed any and all initiatives that would require people to use their cars, in order to sell more of them.

    You really don't know any goddamned thing about Detroit or the causes of its decline, which are both interesting and complex. All you do is shoot off your stupid mailroom-boy mouth. Do us all a favor and drown yourself in your bathtub,
    I know more about Detroit than you will ever know you psycho. You obviously grew up in Southeastern Michigan with a paper bag over your head. As for busing, it was repeatedly threatened by a federal court judge granted Detroit never had court ordered busing it lived under the threat of it. I was implying the destructive policies on most other older, northern cities by these corrupt, tax and spend democrats. Detroit is just an outstanding example of the large majority of these policies and one political party rule for too damned long. But you keep covering up for the democrats failures in Detroit and other older northern cities and the endless corruption. You are a real piece of work and a fucking lunaticicon_mad.gif.
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    Mar 13, 2013 1:30 AM GMT
    Unintended said"Liberal policies destroy wealth" -- nonsense.

    Detroit's decline was caused by many factors, one being a dependence upon one sector for job growth. Thus, when the shortsighted American automobile industry neglected investments in factories, fuel-efficient automobiles and quality control, they were caught completely off-guard by foreign competition and market share, jobs and Detroit suffered accordingly.

    But more than unions, American automobile manufacturers are burdened with an expensive production cost not found in Japan, Germany or Korea -- having to provide healthcare benefits to employees.

    That Ford, Chrysler and GM have recovered and are profitable is a testament not only to the Obama Administration but to management and unions as well.

    Biden Laden is dead an GM is alive, something that would not be true under a Republican President.



    And you're a partisan full of shit lefty
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    Mar 13, 2013 1:33 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidInteresting reading the back and forth here re: Detroit. All I can really contribute to this is that it should be considered quite seriously that Democrats have run Detroit for years...


    See a theme here? Starting in about 1960 or so

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit
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    Mar 13, 2013 1:12 PM GMT
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    topathlete said
    Unintended saidBiden Laden is dead an GM is alive, something that would not be true under a Republican President.

    Truly mindless parroting of a Biden comment. Very impressive.

    First - The Bin Laden raid resulted in part from information gained by measures opposed by Obama. That came from two former CIA heads.

    Second - Romney favored a managed bankruptcy leading to a reorganization, not liquidation. Romney wanted Ch 11 with court referee. Obama approach - no court referee, screw the investors and give GM to the politically connected UAW, hurting other unions without UAW power.

    That is nonsense. Romney invented that story only as late as his campaign when he saw that his original idea---let 'em die off---was going to lose him Ohio as well as Michigan.

    Only partisan hacks continue to parrot the right-wing lies.


    As published in NYT 11-8-2008

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?_r=0
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    Mar 13, 2013 6:27 PM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/12/us/for-detroit-a-financial-crisis-was-long-coming.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0
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    Mar 13, 2013 6:29 PM GMT
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/03/10/Detroit-review-Charles-Hurt
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    Mar 16, 2013 2:00 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 saidInteresting reading the back and forth here re: Detroit. All I can really contribute to this is that it should be considered quite seriously that Democrats have run Detroit for years...


    See a theme here? Starting in about 1960 or so

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit
    All of them were local democrats who just wanted to overtax business and residents and hand all that hard earned tax revenue to the unmotivated urban poor in the form of costly and unworkable social programs. Urban renewal also expanded at a madcap pace throughout Detroit. The local democratic party became very stagnant and corrupt because of no viable political competition. The same thing happened here in Buffalo, when the local democrats gained monopoly control of city government in 1964, Buffalo's urban decline sped up as more people fled to the suburbs to flee the corrupt democratic machine. The final nail in the coffin is when an extremist liberal federal judge named John Curtin ordered Buffalo's schools into an unneeded busing program in the late 70s which chased even more middle class both white and black to the suburbs. The city's school system went down the drain literally overnight thanks to this bleeding heart extremist federal judge. It is time for these older northern cities to dump their local democratic party and vote either moderate republican or an alternative political party.
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    freedomisntfree said
    southbeach1500 saidInteresting reading the back and forth here re: Detroit. All I can really contribute to this is that it should be considered quite seriously that Democrats have run Detroit for years...


    See a theme here? Starting in about 1960 or so

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit
    All of them were local democrats who just wanted to overtax business and residents and hand all that hard earned tax revenue to the unmotivated urban poor in the form of costly and unworkable social programs. Urban renewal also expanded at a madcap pace throughout Detroit. The local democratic party became very stagnant and corrupt because of no viable political competition. The same thing happened here in Buffalo, when the local democrats gained monopoly control of city government in 1964, Buffalo's urban decline sped up as more people fled to the suburbs to flee the corrupt democratic machine. The final nail in the coffin is when an extremist liberal federal judge named John Curtin ordered Buffalo's schools into an unneeded busing program in the late 70s which chased even more middle class both white and black to the suburbs. The city's school system went down the drain literally overnight thanks to this bleeding heart extremist federal judge. It is time for these older northern cities to dump their local democratic party and vote either moderate republican or an alternative political party.


    I will say that David Bink is a hell of lot better than what they've seen in the past. But yeah, I agree, the entire political structure needs to be turned on its head and start fresh. Maybe even a uni government for Oakland, McComb and Wayne County so we could get some moderate Republicans in there? That will never happen given the current demographics of Wayne County.
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    freedomisntfree saidI will say that David Bink is a hell of lot better than what they've seen in the past. But yeah, I agree, the entire political structure needs to be turned on its head and start fresh. Maybe even a uni government for Oakland, McComb and Wayne County so we could get some moderate Republicans in there? That will never happen given the current demographics of Wayne County.

    It won't be Republican in any event: the most populous suburban county, Oakland, used to be solid red when I was a tyke. Now it's overwhelmingly blue, and so is Wayne. Even Macomb (not McComb) County is purple---it goes red and blue about evenly. So a regional authority---which I agree would be a good idea---would be Democratic.

    What you and RoadRageidiot are not understanding is that this isn't and has never been a partisan issue. Sadly, it was a race issue. After the riots, and finishing up during the 70s, so many whites left the city proper that the blacks were able to gain control of every aspect of the municipal government. After having been used very badly by the white power structure over the first part of the century, they seemed determined io exact a revenge. Coleman Young was the mayor during this time, and he actively stoked black resentment, mostly as a way of distracting his people from seeing how much he was stealing. By the time he and his cronies had looted the city treasuries, there wasn't a whole lot left. And the more he stole, the more the white people who controlled the corporations that were now situated in the suburbs (mainly in Oakland County) vowed never to put themselves at risk of being under Coleman's control.

    By the time Young was gone, in 1991, the economic centers of metro Detroit were so firmly ensconced elsewhere----corporate headquarters in Troy and Southfield, manufacturing downriver or in Macomb---that there was no reason for them to return. Their workers wouldn't like it and it would bring nothing to their business to move back into the city.

    So it's a stalemate, and one that remains unbroken today.


    Actually, Jeff, I do understand, but around here on RJ I didn't dare frame it as a race issue so democrat vs. republicans gets one pretty close without saying 'black vs white'.

    Still though, some way or another I'm hopeful that Detroit can pull themselves out of this.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 17, 2013 5:05 PM GMT
    I understand Detroit's serious problems very well. I am well aware of the racial tensions that existed in that city and between that city and most of its suburbs. I am quite familiar with Detroit's longest serving mayor, Coleman Young. His belligerent style of governing along with his fierce tirades against the white power structure while quietly looting the city treasury has helped put Detroit exactly where it is now. He was also a democrat. That is the valid point that I am trying to sink into Aristoshit's thick head. But he keeps defending the democratic party which is the organization that has had monopoly control over older northern cities like Detroit, Buffalo, and Baltimore. Where are most of these older northern cities now after 40 and 50 years of democratic, monopoly rule. Obviously they are all in the sewer and all struggling to climb out.