"100% whey protein isolate" versus "90% whey protein isolate"

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    Mar 11, 2013 1:21 AM GMT
    Are they the same? Here's why I'm asking:

    I'm used to buying "90% whey protein isolate" in bulk online but discovered "Pure 100% whey protein isolate" powders advertised, assuming it was better. Then I read the small print - that the "100% whey protein isolate" was 90% protein by weight.

    What does this mean? Okay, take a deep breath, go:

    Is the "100% whey protein isolate" then the same as "90% whey protein isolate" (assuming that the "90% whey protein isolate" is 100% "90% whey protein isolate" by weight)? Or is 90% of the "100% whey protein isolate" "100% whey protein isolate" and the 10% of the rest by remaining weight is...filler? And if so, then in "90% whey protein isolate" 10% of that remaining weight would be...filler?

    If the above is giving you a headache, imagine how I feel.

    Specifically, is this "100%" which is a bit cheaper:
    http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/bodystrong-100percent_whey_protein_isolate.htm

    a better product than this "90%:"
    http://www.bulkfoods.com/search_results_typein.asp?txtsearchParamTxt=whey+protein+isolate&txtsearchParamCat=ALL&btnSearch.x=24&btnSearch.y=10&txtsearchParamType=ALL&iLevel=1&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSearch
  • DrobUA

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    Mar 11, 2013 6:54 AM GMT
    That doesn't seem that cheap...

    I just started using protein powder myself and I am very happy with my results from:

    http://truenutrition.com/p-1126-custom-mix.aspx

    You can create custom mixes and choose from tons of different types of proteins and additives like vitamins, minerals and enzymes. I've been doing 90% whey protein isolate and 10% casein. The price seems pretty reasonable compared to most places as well.
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    Mar 11, 2013 7:52 AM GMT
    It seems confusing because it is supposed to be. Marketing guys are slime.
    Because life sux, I do a lot of product testing, for money. I provide objective, clear reports of the analysis. Then marketing guys call me up and ask "if i say 'x' is it technically true?"
    x= some confusing or misleading verbiage. icon_rolleyes.gif well... yes, but... "click"
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    Mar 11, 2013 7:55 AM GMT
    DrobUA saidThat doesn't seem that cheap...

    I just started using protein powder myself and I am very happy with my results from:

    http://truenutrition.com/p-1126-custom-mix.aspx

    You can create custom mixes and choose from tons of different types of proteins and additives like vitamins, minerals and enzymes. I've been doing 90% whey protein isolate and 10% casein. The price seems pretty reasonable compared to most places as well.


    I was working with a personal trainer/bb this year and he turned me onto this protein powder too. Works awesome for anyone that can't do milk or lactose in their protein like me
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    Mar 11, 2013 5:15 PM GMT
    DrobUA saidThat doesn't seem that cheap...

    I just started using protein powder myself and I am very happy with my results from:

    http://truenutrition.com/p-1126-custom-mix.aspx

    You can create custom mixes and choose from tons of different types of proteins and additives like vitamins, minerals and enzymes. I've been doing 90% whey protein isolate and 10% casein. The price seems pretty reasonable compared to most places as well.


    Actually, at a rough average of $10/lb this seems like a good value. Their non-mix "100% whey protein isolate" is comparably priced (http://truenutrition.com/p-1020-dcs-protein-formula-1lb-milk.aspx?).

    Such a wide choice of custom mixes the only place I would've begun would've been the same as yours - 90% whey protein isolate with 10% casein, with the reverse perhaps for nighttime. Though then there's the just-raised question of the efficacy of using isolates...
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    Mar 11, 2013 5:20 PM GMT
    BornFree saidI would suggest you move from isolate to a concentrate. Isolate is even more processed and this process is stripping away what your initial wanting...the protein. Whatever the case you need to make sure you use undenatered whey protein. In denatured whey protein the protein is heat processed. The denatured process kills the active ingredients (enzymes and amino acids). These enzymes and amino acids are whats needed for your body to digest the whey properly. For example Lactate. Lactate is an enzyme that allows the body to digest Lactose. Lactate is naturally found in whey. In denatured whey this enzyme is killed and the body has a much harder time digesting the protein. Because this process kills the enzymes the manufacturer is forced to add additional amino acids and enzymes to the blend (like lactose). They may or may not help with the digestion or be affective. This is why lactose intolerant people usually cannot consume denatured proteins (because the proteins lack lactate and have high amounts of lactose). For this specific example the average person may just suffer bloating or gas, perhaps nothing at all. But to the lactose intolerant person it gives them a LOT of issues. And to the normal person your body is not able to absorb all the protein so it is pushed out of the body. With undenatured the whey protein is cold processed and the amino acids and enzymes are kept alive. There is one small disadvantage to this. The undenatured protein has to be consumed within usually 10-15 minutes after mixing it, Other wise the enzymes and amino acids start dying and the body is unable to use them. So drink it quickly otherwise its just as good as the denatured proteins. Whey usually only contains a small amount of lactose. If it is a good blend, it will be very very small and then with the combination of the undenatured process and lactate still being active, there are no issues for lactose intolerant people.

    If your looking for a good source let me know an I'll recommend one for you.


    I have a lot to learn about protein supplements...I always thought isolate was considered better than concentrate! When I'd sometimes buy off-the-shelf instead of bulk purchases I'd waffle between what stores told me was the "best" quality protein, Dymatize Elite Whey Protein Isolate and the Optimum Nutrition equivalent. What type of blend would you recommend, and what source?
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    Mar 11, 2013 5:24 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidIt seems confusing because it is supposed to be. Marketing guys are slime.
    Because life sux, I do a lot of product testing, for money. I provide objective, clear reports of the analysis. Then marketing guys call me up and ask "if i say 'x' is it technically true?"
    x= some confusing or misleading verbiage. icon_rolleyes.gif well... yes, but... "click"

    Thanks for that insight and thanks everyone else for all the replies so far, and keep 'em coming...I've always been a bit mystified by supplementation (what's marketing hype v. reality, etc.), particularly protein...
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    Mar 11, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    BornFree saidI would suggest you move from isolate to a concentrate. Isolate is even more processed and this process is stripping away what your initial wanting...the protein. Whatever the case you need to make sure you use undenatered whey protein. In denatured whey protein the protein is heat processed. The denatured process kills the active ingredients (enzymes and amino acids). These enzymes and amino acids are whats needed for your body to digest the whey properly. For example Lactate. Lactate is an enzyme that allows the body to digest Lactose. Lactate is naturally found in whey. In denatured whey this enzyme is killed and the body has a much harder time digesting the protein. Because this process kills the enzymes the manufacturer is forced to add additional amino acids and enzymes to the blend (like lactose). They may or may not help with the digestion or be affective. This is why lactose intolerant people usually cannot consume denatured proteins (because the proteins lack lactate and have high amounts of lactose). For this specific example the average person may just suffer bloating or gas, perhaps nothing at all. But to the lactose intolerant person it gives them a LOT of issues. And to the normal person your body is not able to absorb all the protein so it is pushed out of the body. With undenatured the whey protein is cold processed and the amino acids and enzymes are kept alive. There is one small disadvantage to this. The undenatured protein has to be consumed within usually 10-15 minutes after mixing it, Other wise the enzymes and amino acids start dying and the body is unable to use them. So drink it quickly otherwise its just as good as the denatured proteins. Whey usually only contains a small amount of lactose. If it is a good blend, it will be very very small and then with the combination of the undenatured process and lactate still being active, there are no issues for lactose intolerant people.

    If your looking for a good source let me know an I'll recommend one for you.


    Just... no. You are very confused about these issues and should not be handing out advice. This is one of those posts where every single sentence is so wrong that it would take a long essay to straighten it out. Just to begin with, whey isolate IS the concentrated protein, the protein has not been "stripped away from it." And lactate is not an enzyme.
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    Mar 11, 2013 8:48 PM GMT
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    mindgarden saidJust... no. You are very confused about these issues and should not be handing out advice. This is one of those posts where every single sentence is so wrong that it would take a long essay to straighten it out. Just to begin with, whey isolate IS the concentrated protein, the protein has not been "stripped away from it." And lactate is not an enzyme.


    You're right i misspoke about lactate, lactate is amino acid. I will fix that And isolate IS a further processed than concentrate. They have just started to discover some manufacturers have not been telling the truth. Or at least further research, since it has advanced, shows it differently. Kind of like when GMO's first came out and we were told they were safe. And we are find out they are not. But there are many perceptions on this. Just like denatured verses undenatured. Organic verses non organic. GMO verses heirloom. Whey verses soy. Just some more of that marketing slime you were talking about earlier....

    AND I am dead on when it comes to denatured verses undenatured. Which was my main point to make sure whatever protein you choose, make sure it is undenatured.


    How about citing a little research to back up your claims?
  • Medjai

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    Mar 11, 2013 9:28 PM GMT
    BornFree saidYou're right i misspoke about lactate, lactate is amino acid. I will fix that And isolate IS a further processed than concentrate. They have just started to discover some manufacturers have not been telling the truth. Or at least further research, since it has advanced, shows it differently. Kind of like when GMO's first came out and we were told they were safe. And we are find out they are not. But there are many perceptions on this. Just like denatured verses undenatured. Organic verses non organic. GMO verses heirloom. Whey verses soy. Just some more of that marketing slime you were talking about earlier....

    AND I am dead on when it comes to denatured verses undenatured. Which was my main point to make sure whatever protein you choose, make sure it is undenatured.


    You are not right about anything you've said. It sounds like you've listed to a bunch of material, maybe talked to a few guys, and spouted back a whole bunch of jargon without actually knowing what any of it meant.

    You need to do a lot more research into this, and do not give out any more advice until you do, because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
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    Mar 12, 2013 2:52 AM GMT
    This thread makes me hungry for chicken.

    Best...protein...ever.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 12, 2013 2:58 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidThis thread makes me hungry for chicken.

    Best...protein...ever.


    I thought that was semen...
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    Mar 15, 2013 3:34 AM GMT
    Boy, some of you guys are even more...serious...about protein than I am!

    So, tabling the isolate versus concentrate, natured and denatured argument for the moment (I'll assume isolate is better unless research proves otherwise), I'll assume that:

    1)
    I should just go with the 100% whey protein isolate? Perhaps from this vendor?:
    http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/bodystrong-100percent_whey_protein_isolate.htm

    2)
    Or if from http://truenutrition.com/p-1126-custom-mix.aspx, a 90%/10% isolate/casein mix? Or would it be better to throw more protein sources into the mix since it can be customized, i.e. hemp? Or worse because most of those other protein sources may be inferior (or superior in the case of beef protein isolate?) but address customers with allergy and ethical (vegan) issues? Here's the list of protein source options from that website:

    OUT OF STOCK - Grass-Fed Whey Protein [Milk] - $12.19/lb

    Whey Protein Concentrate - High Grade [Milk] - $6.39/lb

    Whey Protein Concentrate - Super Grade [Milk] - $7.39/lb

    Whey Protein Isolate Cold-Filtration [Milk] - $9.99/lb

    Whey Protein Isolate Microfiltrated [Milk] - $10.29/lb

    Whey Protein Isolate – CFM Cross-Flow Microfiltration [Milk] - $11.89/lb

    Hydrolyzed Whey Protein High Grade [Milk] - $11.09/lb

    Hydrolyzed Casein [Milk] - $18.59/lb

    OUT OF STOCK - PeptoPro – Hydrolyzed Caseinate [Milk] - $27.89/lb

    Glutamine Peptides [Wheat] - $14.49/lb

    Calcium Caseinate [Milk] - $11.79/lb

    Complete Milk Dairy Isolate - $10.99/lb

    Micellar Casein [Milk] - $11.19/lb

    Native Milk Protein Isolate - $15.99/lb

    U.S. Milk Protein - $7.49/lb

    Gemma Pea Protein Isolate non-GMO - $5.89/lb

    European Potato Protein Isolate - $16.99/lb

    Hemp Protein Powder - $9.99/lb

    Rice Protein Concentrate – non-GMO - $5.59/lb

    Sacha Inchi Protein Powder - $18.99/lb

    Soy Protein Isolate – non-GMO - $5.09/lb

    OUT OF STOCK - Beef Protein Isolate - $10.99/lb

    Egg White Protein - $10.49/lb

    Whole Egg Protein - $11.49/lb

    New Egg White Protein - $11.29/lb

    rBGH/Soy FREE Whey Protein Isolate [Milk] - $16.99/lb

    rBGH/Soy FREE Whey Protein Concentrate [Milk] - $11.19/lb
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    Apr 03, 2013 4:54 AM GMT
    bump

    I noticed that truenutrition really screws you on the shipping (if I buy 16 lbs of daytime mix and 6 lbs of nighttime mix they seem to charge $25+ for each, unlike the all star health bodystrong product with a $5.95 flat continental US rate regardless of purchase amount or number of items purchased.

    Of course, if these are all really just 90% whey protein isolate aren't I better off just buying from The Vitamin Shoppe and not pay any shipping?
  • HottJoe

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    Apr 06, 2013 5:49 PM GMT
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    Apr 22, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    Has anyone tried any BSN products in particular Syntha-6 Isolate Protien....?They really push it at the Vitamine Shoppe here in my city.....normally I use Prograde Protein

  • Apr 25, 2013 10:34 PM GMT
    Brotha_D saidHas anyone tried any BSN products in particular Syntha-6 Isolate Protien....?They really push it at the Vitamine Shoppe here in my city.....normally I use Prograde Protein


    I used a tub its not bad but its not the best....IMO cellucor cor-performance whey is much better in taste and has a excellent profile! cellucor's cor-performance whey is my new favorite the cookies and cream as well as the Cinnamon Swirl is sooooo good icon_smile.gif
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    May 13, 2013 5:21 AM GMT
    I've given up on getting a definitive answer to the thread question but will share that I found the cheapest way to get the best protein and it's not by buying in bulk online.

    Costco sells Optimum Nutrition 100% whey protein ISOLATE at a great price.

    Vitamin Shoppe now sells MuscleMed Carnivore 100% BEEF protein ISOLATE at a great price and has frequent sales on its Bodytech brand 100% Casein protein.

    You're welcome!
  • gwuinsf

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    May 15, 2013 5:00 PM GMT
    This was a good write up about the difference between whey proteins - concentrate vs. isolate vs. hydrolysates. I'd never even heard of hydrolysates before.

    http://thegymlifestyle.com/best-whey-protein-guide/

    I don't think you'll go wrong with Optimum Nutrition from Costco. That's what I get.
  • metta

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    May 16, 2013 2:22 AM GMT
    10 things vitamin makers won’t say
    We peel back the label to see what nutrition-in-a-bottle is really worth


    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-things-vitamin-makers-wont-say-2013-04-26?pagenumber=1
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    May 16, 2013 6:28 AM GMT
    They are the same. Only use the nutrition table and ingredients table to compare supplements. Do not get carried away by the product description, which is pretty useless and misleading.
  • maxferguson

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    Jul 06, 2013 7:24 PM GMT
    DrobUA saidThat doesn't seem that cheap...

    I just started using protein powder myself and I am very happy with my results from:

    http://truenutrition.com/p-1126-custom-mix.aspx

    You can create custom mixes and choose from tons of different types of proteins and additives like vitamins, minerals and enzymes. I've been doing 90% whey protein isolate and 10% casein. The price seems pretty reasonable compared to most places as well.


    Wow, I have been trying to find somewhere to get customized mixes from. Thanks for sharing!

    Have you ever tried any of their lower glycemic carb options as part of a meal replacement? Is there one that you preferred?
  • Montague

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    Jul 06, 2013 7:26 PM GMT
    eat mor chikin