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    Oct 11, 2008 9:54 PM GMT
    So, ive been out of school for almost 3 weeks now and Finding a job is looking more and more bleak. What does seem like a possibility is the armed forces. I need to go finish my bachelors at some point and the service will foot the bill if I enlist, plus I can get some serious training while enlisted.

    However, I'm not too sure about the whole DADT thing. how does it work these days?
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    Oct 11, 2008 10:19 PM GMT
    There are other opportunities out there for the discerning homosexual who might not want to go to war. The Peace Corps, City Year, and other organizations will help you pay off student loans, give you valuable work experience, and help you experience a different part of the country. Plus, you can be as gay as Liberace and they will love you just the same.
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    Oct 11, 2008 11:10 PM GMT
    I spent 25 years in the Army, and I loved it. But the US military today is not the place for a gay man.

    If you can wait until after January, 2009, and Obama is President, the military may change so that it is more accepting of gays.

    If you do enlist, I would advise against the Marines and the Army. Service in Iraq and Afghanistan is resulting in the highest rates of PTSD ever seen, a condition that may handicap you for the rest of your life.
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    Oct 12, 2008 12:39 AM GMT
    Hrm.... so, whats teh deal with the peace corps and citiyear?
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    Oct 12, 2008 12:55 AM GMT
    Greygull saidHrm.... so, whats teh deal with the peace corps and citiyear?


    I don't know too much about the programs. But, I believe they pay you a living wage (next to nothing) give you health insurance, loan forbearance, and then pay off a lump sum from your student loans.

    Here are their websites. You can also talk to your schools career center and they can help you out with options and discus these further.

    Peace Corps
    City Year
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    Oct 12, 2008 1:02 AM GMT
    I would recommend Navy or Air Force if you go in, but as others said, bad time to go in, when the whole world is so nuts. Again the Gay thing, and if Obama does away with DADT, something else will have to take its place. So I would wait until that happens.
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    Oct 12, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    I would go into the Air Force. But A lot of Air Force are in Kuwait and Iraq. Doing Support missions for the Army and Marines.

    What ever you do get everything in writing. Do not believe a recruiter. They lie. If they promise you something. Get it in Writing. Read you contract carefully.

    I would not worry about DADT. But be careful. Not everyone is cool with gays in the Military even though there are a lot.

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    Oct 12, 2008 4:43 PM GMT
    Go in the Navy, you get to travel the world. And look great in a uniform.
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    Oct 12, 2008 5:58 PM GMT
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    Whatever you do get everything in writing. Do not believe a recruiter. They lie. If they promise you something. Get it in Writing. Read you contract carefully.


    I can verify that. One of my jobs in Army Personnel at one point was dealing with soldiers who had made complaints, often to their Member of Congress, about false representations at the time of enlistment.

    If it isn't in the contract, it don't exist, period. Recruiters are under enormous pressure to make quota, and some will bend the rules, to put it politely.

    A recruiter must provide you, in a written contract form, all enlistment incentives (money & civilian educational benefits) you will be getting, all military training you will be receiving for your agreed upon career field, and the precise date of your separation from active duty.

    (A period of Reserve Duty will follow Active Duty for a grand total of 8 years on an initial enlistment. "Stop Loss" provisions may be legally implemented to involuntarily extend your original Active Duty commitment up to the full 8 years, as has already been done by the Bush Administration to support the Iraq War)
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    Oct 12, 2008 6:01 PM GMT
    So basically After I serve my country I can be pulled in to serve again until 8 years have passed?
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    Greygull saidSo basically After I serve my country I can be pulled in to serve again until 8 years have passed?


    Correct. Your total service obligation is 8 years. It will say that in the enlistment contract. Ask the recruiter for a sample copy to study.

    There can be various combinations of service adding up to 8 years, for instance: 3 years Active Duty, 3 years Active Reserve (you must drill once a month), and 2 years Inactive Reserve, when you can be called up as needed.

    Or you might have 4 years Active Service, and 4 years Inactive Reserve, with no weekend drilling. They will offer you choices in this regard.

    But your total obligation is always 8 years. And if the Commander-in-Chief (the President) wants you to actively serve during that entire 8-year period, you must. Ask the recruiter. He or she may say: "Well, that doesn't happen too often."

    But ask them, CAN it happen? They are bound by law to tell you that it can.
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    Oct 14, 2008 8:51 PM GMT
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    Greygull saidHrm.... so, whats teh deal with the peace corps and citiyear?


    I don't know too much about the programs. But, I believe they pay you a living wage (next to nothing) give you health insurance, loan forbearance, and then pay off a lump sum from your student loans.

    Here are their websites. You can also talk to your schools career center and they can help you out with options and discus these further.

    Peace Corps
    City Year


    Peace Corps actually only pays off a piece of certain loans. Peace Corps does not pay off any private student loans, and does not pay off Stafford student loans, at least if those Stafford loans were obtained through a private bank. Not sure about the direct loan Stafford program.

    Yes, you do get excellent free health insurance, and you can put a forbearance on loans. In addition, at the end of your 27 months of service you're given about $6,000 for a readjustment allowance.

    However, you can't really be "as gay as Liberace." While the US State Department has an anti-discrimination policy that includes gays, and PC staff--including recruiters, medical officials, and in-country staff--are incredibly supportive, in most countries that PC sends volunteers to homosexuality is still a major taboo. GLBT volunteers almost always have to practice a lot of discretion in the countries they're working in, which often includes telling no one about your orientation except for other PCVs and Staff (who, as noted, are all very supportive). That's just a warning, but by no means a discouragement from joining.
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    Oct 14, 2008 9:04 PM GMT
    I'm not arguing one way or another. But keep in mind that, while a college education can result in significant debt, student loans are some of the lowest-interest, most-lenient loans you can get. It's (potentially) very cheap money.

    I think some people look at the total cost of college and see it as an insurmountably high number. Yes, lots of digits after that dollar sign, but hopefully your education will net you a high enough paying job to more than make up for the initial investment.
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    Oct 14, 2008 9:11 PM GMT
    hobronto saidI'm not arguing one way or another. But keep in mind that, while a college education can result in significant debt, student loans are some of the lowest-interest, most-lenient loans you can get. It's (potentially) very cheap money.

    I think some people look at the total cost of college and see it as an insurmountably high number. Yes, lots of digits after that dollar sign, but hopefully your education will net you a high enough paying job to more than make up for the initial investment.


    Totally agree.

    Don't be put off by the price tag of a college education, especially by the price of private colleges.

    The secret not often told is that private schools with high tuition fees are often able to give you a lot more grant aid than state schools can muster before you have to consider taking out loans. Of my friends who went to state colleges, total loan debt tends to be higher than those who went to private college like me. Counter-intuitive, but true.
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    Oct 14, 2008 9:16 PM GMT
    muchmorethanmuscle saidThat's awfully horrible that recruiters can lie. They should be punished and held accountable for their lying.

    Aren't they just following the boss's example? icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 14, 2008 9:19 PM GMT
    i felt almost compelled to do this a few months ago. i'm glad i didn't go with that knee-jerk reaction. i know it seems difficult now, but don't sell your soul to the devil...

    "happiness is putting off the impulses of the present, in order to achieve one's true goal in the long run." - thomas jefferson