POLITICS ON RJ: The Difficulty Of Posting Vs. Talking Via Phone Or In Person.

  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 11, 2008 11:11 PM GMT
    Well the political season has been an "interesting one" here on RJ. We've talked, disagreed and squabbled about a large number of topics, the Palin Govenor ranking at the top.....

    What I find interesting is how different it is when one of us states our position vs. talking it over in real time on the phone or in person.

    As some of you know, Gregg, Jockbod48 and I are very good friends and talk on the phone frequently. He is a republican and I am a democrat (no news there) and have disagreed a number of times (aggressively), but it is amazing how much different it is when we are able to talk through our views and many times agree (or our disagreements seem pretty small in the end)
    He has very reasonable political views and we have both agreed that our viewpoints are based on a slanted view of what may be reality in some cases.

    I know it can be a challenge to have someone voice commentary that seems ridiculous based on our viewpoints. I know I've recently talked about
    one members "views of reality" when talking politics. Too bad we can't remember some of this when name calling begins and "belittling" someone based on their democratic or republican views.

    I will certainly be glad when the election is over........
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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 11, 2008 11:37 PM GMT
    I will be too...and I think we should all make a pact that, regardless of who wins, that we will accept it and move on and not begin the endless barrage of conspiracy theories and bitterness. This country has simply got to come together and be united. I am certainly prepared for the possibility that Obama may be our next President and, while I might not like it, I will support him 100% because I believe that is what he deserves. He won in a democracy, and now we have to make sure he succeeds. If McCain should win, I hope that others on the other side will try to do the same.
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    Oct 12, 2008 1:12 AM GMT
    I can't wait for thanksgiving. I'm hungry.
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    Oct 12, 2008 2:25 AM GMT
    There are a number of my political opposites on here for whom I have a great deal of respect and affection, and I also hope that when this endless fucking election is over we can continue by enjoying the great many things we have in common rather than the small number of ways we differ.

    Also, I would like world peace.

    Is the swimsuit competition next?
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 12, 2008 2:29 AM GMT
    jprichva said

    Is the swimsuit competition next?




    I'm ready Jeff.....LOL
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    Oct 12, 2008 2:31 AM GMT
    jprichva saidThere are a number of my political opposites on here for whom I have a great deal of respect and affection, and I also hope that when this endless fucking election is over we can continue by enjoying the great many things we have in common rather than the small number of ways we differ.

    Also, I would like world peace.

    Is the swimsuit competition next?


    It just ended--I was 2nd runner-up! icon_evil.gif

    But all 7 judges were republican. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 12, 2008 2:37 AM GMT
    jprichva saidTI also hope that when this endless fucking election is over we can continue by enjoying the great many things we have in common
    Don't worry icon_cry.gif we will still have religion to chat about. And if McCain/Palin get in .. 4 more years of really good Daily Show.
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    Oct 12, 2008 2:49 AM GMT
    Not me....after the election victory, I am all for grinding their bodies under the wheels of our tanks and fertilizing their corn fields with their own blood. .... icon_eek.gif
  • JohnG16775

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    Oct 12, 2008 2:55 AM GMT
    I agree with you guys. After this its the swimsuit competition, the heck with the politics. To prove it I just bought 100 shares of GM, what recession.

    Lets have FUN FUN FUN
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    Oct 12, 2008 2:59 AM GMT
    crosses...we need lots of crosses to crucify all those bastards....where are we gonna get all that wood.....these things need careful planning. ... icon_eek.gif
  • silverfox

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    Oct 12, 2008 3:20 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI will be too...and I think we should all make a pact that, regardless of who wins, that we will accept it and move on and not begin the endless barrage of conspiracy theories and bitterness. This country has simply got to come together and be united. I am certainly prepared for the possibility that Obama may be our next President and, while I might not like it, I will support him 100% because I believe that is what he deserves. He won in a democracy, and now we have to make sure he succeeds. If McCain should win, I hope that others on the other side will try to do the same.



    You are too sexy when you say things like this. Bravo CuriousJockAZ!!!!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 12, 2008 3:31 AM GMT
    Awwww, well, thank you...I do what I can icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 12, 2008 3:46 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI will be too...and I think we should all make a pact that, regardless of who wins, that we will accept it and move on and not begin the endless barrage of conspiracy theories and bitterness. This country has simply got to come together and be united. I am certainly prepared for the possibility that Obama may be our next President and, while I might not like it, I will support him 100% because I believe that is what he deserves. He won in a democracy, and now we have to make sure he succeeds. If McCain should win, I hope that others on the other side will try to do the same.




    and how do you feel about this? (vid).......I'm curious...especially based on comments you have made on other threads....


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    Oct 12, 2008 3:50 AM GMT
    oh, I know....we'll get the wood by tearing down all their churches and making the crosses from them....oh the delicious irony! ... icon_eek.gif

    and we can hang them all along the interstates, like they did in Spartacus...

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    Oct 12, 2008 3:56 AM GMT
    unfortunately, even after the election...there will still be people who think, feel, and express themselves this way. Hate is very intoxicating to some and they eat it up like candy and spew it out. A country is like a "team" and only as good as it's weakest player....here are some of our players (video above)...very sad and disturbing.
    More annoying, there are those who will continue to fan the flames of such talk...and then run to church on Sunday and congratulate each other about how much of fine upstanding, wonderful, godly people they are....and then they will take their hate and ignorance, set it to inspiring music, wrap it all up nice and pretty in a flag and thrill themselves with the notion that they are just so damn right and the ONLY way an American can be.
    I am constantly amazed.
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    Oct 12, 2008 4:22 AM GMT
    A novel idea is to open your views to evidence and to be as rigorous as possible about seeking that evidence out. And to demand intellectual consistency wherever you can in your beliefs. Avoid logical fallacies. Think. Start by recognizing your own cognitive limitations, and allow for this in your evaluation of the evidence.

    Critical thinking is extremely rare so it would seem. But it is really the best way to improve political discussions on a medium as constrained as internet forums.
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    Oct 12, 2008 4:27 AM GMT
    Thanks Tim!

    The rare voice of reason here, speaks the truth.

    I shall now call you The RJ Oracle.
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    Oct 12, 2008 4:30 AM GMT
    Thanks bgcat.... did you paintball?!?!? icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 12, 2008 4:37 AM GMT
    in an ideal world that would be the trick....but let's face it...life, politics, religion, etc...it's all pretty subjective. Finding evidence to support any way of thinking and manipulating it to verify one's own perspective is not that much of a stretch. Politics, religion, "truth", "deception", etc., like poetry, can be interpreted in many ways, and many different conclusions can be formulated from it. So one is left to ask...in my perspective, in my expression, in my rhetoric to others...especially publicly...am I speaking with hate, if someone is "not me" does that make them wrong or invalid...or a terrorist...LOL, why am I saying what I say, and why do I need to say it the way i do. These are good questions to ask.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 12, 2008 4:48 AM GMT
    fluxu8 said


    and how do you feel about this? (vid).......I'm curious...especially based on comments you have made on other threads....




    What am I suppose to think of it? It's ridiculous. Unfortunately, there are ignorant bigoted people everywhere among Republicans, Democrats, and Independents, so that video really is nothing but propaganda designed to paint a certain party one way, when all it really does is show a bunch of ignorant idiots who represent a very small minority with that mindset.
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    Oct 12, 2008 4:57 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidThanks bgcat.... did you paintball?!?!? icon_biggrin.gif


    Yes, he did, and I have the pictures to prove it!

    You've got to come back here next time!
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    Oct 12, 2008 5:06 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    fluxu8 said


    and how do you feel about this? (vid).......I'm curious...especially based on comments you have made on other threads....




    What am I suppose to think of it? It's ridiculous. Unfortunately, there are ignorant bigoted people everywhere among Republicans, Democrats, and Independents, so that video really is nothing but propaganda designed to paint a certain party one way, when all it really does is show a bunch of ignorant idiots who represent a very small minority with that mindset.


    I'm confused then....did you not refer to O'Bama as a "friend of terrorists" in another thread...painting him in and UnAmerican/pseudo terrorist light?
    I'm just curious.
    So are you saying that the video is not real? Just propaganda? Is it documentation of Republican people saying very disturbing things about other people, or do you simply negate what it is...on film.

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    Oct 12, 2008 5:20 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    fluxu8 said


    and how do you feel about this? (vid).......I'm curious...especially based on comments you have made on other threads....




    What am I suppose to think of it? It's ridiculous. Unfortunately, there are ignorant bigoted people everywhere ...............



    I simply could not agree with you more.

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    Oct 12, 2008 2:30 PM GMT
    I'll pass you my piece of pie...I've lost my appetite.

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    Oct 12, 2008 2:33 PM GMT
    fluxu8 saidin an ideal world that would be the trick....but let's face it...life, politics, religion, etc...it's all pretty subjective. Finding evidence to support any way of thinking and manipulating it to verify one's own perspective is not that much of a stretch. Politics, religion, "truth", "deception", etc., like poetry, can be interpreted in many ways, and many different conclusions can be formulated from it.


    "In an ideal world.." in my experience is a phrase all too often used to dismiss perfectly sensible and practical solutions for society's ills and propose whatever ill-conceived compromise the speaker has in mind. When we're spending a budget, there may not be a solution that satisfies all the constraints, and then of course a debate has to take place to prioritize those constraints.

    But the quality of debate is NOT a constrained quantity: we can debate at as high or low level as we like! And that means we should keep in mind ideals at all times. Deconstruction of "truth", "deception" and "religion" may make pleasant poetry, but in politics there are real effects and real consequences that cannot be excised by application of inverted commas. Rather than form an opinion and then cherry-pick evidence that appears to support it, one should look for evidence and then form an opinion. Not idealistic at all, this is a strategy that ought to seem quite mundane icon_biggrin.gif