Went to an Air Force recruiter today.

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    Mar 13, 2013 3:47 AM GMT
    Well I finally took the first step.

    After many months of soul searching and deep thinking about it, I walked into my nearest Air Force Reserves recruiting station. I posted a few months back saying I wanted to join the Navy, but, AF seems more interesting and up my alley to me. I'd rather be on planes than on boats.

    According to the recruiter, I'm too old to enlist. My bachelor's degree also does not qualify me to be an officer. So I would come on as a mechanical or electrical engineer, etc. This is all just very brief talking points I got, as the recruiter was leaving the office as I was walking by. I am going back to meet with her on Thursday and take some tests and talk more.

    What questions should I ask when I go back?

    Looking for some honest advice from those that have served or are presently serving.

    I'm 30 years old. I would consider myself a somewhat sensitive guy but I do have pretty thick skin- I don't take insults to heart. Also I'm pretty fuckin' tough, even though I'm not that big. A few years ago I was gang attacked by 5 thugs and was put in the ER for 2 days. I came out of that stronger than ever, and physically unscathed (after a few months of healing), so I really feel like I have faced death and I didn't let it bring me down. I think most people that join the service haven't had those kinds of life changing experiences, so in a way I have an "Advantage."

    I'm not an "alpha" type. I'm not the class clown of the big man on campus or the star quarterback. I guess this is one of my biggest fears. I don't want to be pecked to death. I'm pretty reserved when I'm in groups of people I don't know. But other times I'm pretty boisterous.
    Part of the reason I'd like to join the military- to develop leadership skills and self confidence. I also like the camaraderie. Also, to be a part of something bigger than myself, to feel like I have a purpose. I've felt very lost for many years. And for some reason I keep being brought back to the military.

    One big drawback is I currently have student loans in collections and no job. They require you to be on a payment plan before even considering you. (An embarrassing example of the turmoil and loss of direction I have in my life..) So it is going to take a while before anything gets rolling anyway. I will have a lot of time to keep thinking about it.

    Oh yeah, then there's the gay thing. I'm not obviously gay. But I'm not "straight acting." I'd define myself as more metrosexual. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people are going to figure out I'm gay. I'm not incredibly open about it. If someone asks me I won't lie. But I am pretty disciplined and I can be around guys that I might otherwise find attractive and turn off that part of me the best I can. I mean, I've been told my younger brother is hot, but I've never been sexually attracted to him icon_biggrin.gif
    I just don't want to ruin possible relations if people find out I'm gay. What's it REALLY like to be gay in today's military?

    Honest reasons I'm wanting to join:
    -leadership
    -skills training
    -tradition (several family members in military. dad was in coast guard- does that count? lol)
    -be around people that are extremely disciplined and not slobs who wake up at noon and walk around outside in their pajamas
    -i'm pretty conservative nowadays. i respect and understand the military more than i used to
    -direction, purpose
    -help preserve the American way of life and the constitution
    -to get over my fears by living through them (yeah, i'm pretty fuckin' scared of what I may be about to do!)
    -looks great on a resume and in all around life practicum

    My biggest fears:
    -that I won't fit in and I'll be stuck in it for years of misery
    -I'll be sent off to Pakfukistan and be in a living hell and be intensely stressed out the whole time a la Apocalypse Now
    -North Korea starts a war and I'm fucked
    -I won't meet any other gay people to mesh with

    My strengths:
    -I'm 30 so I have much more life experience to bring to the table than someone coming in as an 18 y/o
    -I accept authority pretty well (or at least I can work with it). I've had dominant men yelling in my face trying to bring me down and I don't get all riled up and want to cry. But I'm sure that might change in basic icon_neutral.gif
    -I am always pushing myself to improve and to the limits. I swim until I hurt. I work out until I puke. I learn new sports and I get obsessed with perfecting skills.
    -I'm pretty cute so I may meet some nice guys icon_wink.gif

    Support from my friends and family is pretty mixed. So that's why I came here.. unbiased advice
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:02 AM GMT
    Ok a couple of things....

    First of I lived in 'Pakfukistan' or rather PAKISTAN. It may not be one of the best places in the world, but there are some fair amount of honest to goodness people, including my parents. They happen to be living there and life is as normal as it can be. Yes there a shit tonnes of problems but life somehow manages to function there.. So while you may be scared of being shipped there...Let me tell you that if you become an engineer of USAF and get posted there...You'll have a pretty cushy living environment all thanks to your government. The Embassy is in Karachi, and believe me your embassy is a fortress and a half.


    Secondly. *hugs* You're are facing your situation head on and that acknowledgement alone is already helping you to make decisions of where you want to go into life. Do get a payment plan going. Not sure how it works there but do try saving some money that will help pay off loans. If you haven't already started which I'm sure you have, time to buckle down on any unnecessary expenses.

    Lastly. Just for the fact that you admitted to what kind of guy you are, is immensely attractive. So what if you're not an 'Alpha' guy. If someone like me got to you know, it would be great to be part of your life and help you on decisions like joining the military. Don't let your sexuality get in way to make yourself a better man. As for meeting other gay folks while you in the military. Let that come to pass and then you can deal. In the mean time, talk to people who have come out. The men and woman who serve your country will give you a fair idea. So take it mind and act accordingly.

    Remember your fears are just stepping stones to become the someone you want to be.
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:30 AM GMT
    I think you are full of shit. But if anything, the AF would probably be your best fit. Or the Coast Guard. You would get eaten alive in the Marines. Even Army.


    And if you are too old to enlist, why bother going back?
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:34 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidI think you are full of shit. But if anything, the AF would probably be your best fit. Or the Coast Guard. You would get eaten alive in the Marines. Even Army.


    And if you are too old to enlist, why bother going back?


    You are probably right about getting eaten alive. I pick my battles wisely icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:35 AM GMT
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    jmusmc85 saidI think you are full of shit. But if anything, the AF would probably be your best fit. Or the Coast Guard. You would get eaten alive in the Marines. Even Army.


    And if you are too old to enlist, why bother going back?


    You are probably right about getting eaten alive. I pick my battles wisely icon_biggrin.gif


    I don't think you are too old for the Chair Force. I thought the cut off age was 32...

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    Mar 13, 2013 4:39 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 said
    timshel said
    jmusmc85 saidI think you are full of shit. But if anything, the AF would probably be your best fit. Or the Coast Guard. You would get eaten alive in the Marines. Even Army.


    And if you are too old to enlist, why bother going back?


    You are probably right about getting eaten alive. I pick my battles wisely icon_biggrin.gif


    I don't think you are too old for the Chair Force. I thought the cut off age was 32...



    I think 32+ is the waist line,

    and that aint happenin!
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:41 AM GMT
    timshel said
    jmusmc85 said
    timshel said
    jmusmc85 saidI think you are full of shit. But if anything, the AF would probably be your best fit. Or the Coast Guard. You would get eaten alive in the Marines. Even Army.


    And if you are too old to enlist, why bother going back?


    You are probably right about getting eaten alive. I pick my battles wisely icon_biggrin.gif


    I don't think you are too old for the Chair Force. I thought the cut off age was 32...



    I think 32+ is the waist line,

    and that aint happenin!


    Uhh....
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:41 AM GMT
    ".. I'm too old to enlist. My bachelor's degree also does not qualify me to be an officer. So I would come on as a mechanical or electrical engineer, etc."

    I don't get that part. If you can't enlist or become an officer, how can you come on as an engineer?
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:44 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 said
    timshel said
    jmusmc85 said
    timshel said
    jmusmc85 saidI think you are full of shit. But if anything, the AF would probably be your best fit. Or the Coast Guard. You would get eaten alive in the Marines. Even Army.


    And if you are too old to enlist, why bother going back?


    You are probably right about getting eaten alive. I pick my battles wisely icon_biggrin.gif


    I don't think you are too old for the Chair Force. I thought the cut off age was 32...



    I think 32+ is the waist line,

    and that aint happenin!


    Uhh....


    Is that the sound your last date made when you dropped your pants?
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:44 AM GMT
    xrichx said".. I'm too old to enlist. My bachelor's degree also does not qualify me to be an officer. So I would come on as a mechanical or electrical engineer, etc."

    I don't get that part. If you can't enlist or become an officer, how can you come on as an engineer?


    Which is exactly why I think he (or she) is full of shit. What is the point of this thread?
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:45 AM GMT
    timshel said
    jmusmc85 said
    timshel said
    jmusmc85 said
    timshel said
    jmusmc85 saidI think you are full of shit. But if anything, the AF would probably be your best fit. Or the Coast Guard. You would get eaten alive in the Marines. Even Army.


    And if you are too old to enlist, why bother going back?


    You are probably right about getting eaten alive. I pick my battles wisely icon_biggrin.gif


    I don't think you are too old for the Chair Force. I thought the cut off age was 32...



    I think 32+ is the waist line,

    and that aint happenin!


    Uhh....


    Is that the sound your last date made when you dropped your pants?


    It's the sound your mother made when I asked her where I should leave the money on the way out...
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:47 AM GMT
    xrichx said".. I'm too old to enlist. My bachelor's degree also does not qualify me to be an officer. So I would come on as a mechanical or electrical engineer, etc."

    I don't get that part. If you can't enlist or become an officer, how can you come on as an engineer?


    It was all said in haste, I'll clear things up when I go back on Thursday. She might have said maintenance instead of engineer. fyck iano
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:49 AM GMT
    timshel said
    xrichx said".. I'm too old to enlist. My bachelor's degree also does not qualify me to be an officer. So I would come on as a mechanical or electrical engineer, etc."

    I don't get that part. If you can't enlist or become an officer, how can you come on as an engineer?


    It was all said in haste, I'll clear things up when I go back on Thursday. She might have said maintenance instead of engineer. fyck iano


    Make sure to tell her your faggot ass got beat up so you can get an automatic promotion after basic training...icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 13, 2013 4:51 AM GMT
    yes, your too old, although, i think they may accept men upto 35, but your pushing it, the GI bill was created so young soldiers could go to school and get a degree, you have one already, 18-20 yr old guys bodys repair themselves when over strained or injured much faster and are more easily influenced by lack of wisdom that comes from aging, im sure your in good shape, for 30, basic training would suck though at your age, being gay should no longer matter? i think it would have been easier to already be in the AF, then come out, by age 40, these guys are commanders and captains not enlisted person, if this was your wish, you missed the boat, um plane, by 10 years
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    Mar 13, 2013 5:05 AM GMT
    What is the cut-off age to join the Air Force?

    Non-prior service applicants must be at least 17 to apply and in Basic Military Training before their 28th birthday.

    Officer Training School (OTS) applicants must be at least 17 to apply and commissioned before their 35th birthday.

    Physician, Nurse and Allied Health applicants need to contact a recruiter, as the age criteria may vary by profession.

    Note: Prior service applicants should contact their local recruiter for age cut-offs.


    http://www.airforce.com/contact-us/faq/eligibility/#what-cut-off-age
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    Mar 13, 2013 5:08 AM GMT
    Guycicle saidWhat is the cut-off age to join the Air Force?

    Non-prior service applicants must be at least 17 to apply and in Basic Military Training before their 28th birthday.

    Officer Training School (OTS) applicants must be at least 17 to apply and commissioned before their 35th birthday.

    Physician, Nurse and Allied Health applicants need to contact a recruiter, as the age criteria may vary by profession.

    Note: Prior service applicants should contact their local recruiter for age cut-offs.


    http://www.airforce.com/contact-us/faq/eligibility/#what-cut-off-age



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    Now lets turn this into a hot military guy picture thread!!!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 13, 2013 5:12 AM GMT
    wow ... you stated a whole lot of fears ... to be honest ... I really don't think the military is for you

    edit ... that's a major reason the military wants em young ...because they are to young and dumb to have figured out that they are suppose to be afraid ... fear doesn't fight battles nor does being overly cautious
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    Guycicle saidWhat is the cut-off age to join the Air Force?

    Non-prior service applicants must be at least 17 to apply and in Basic Military Training before their 28th birthday.

    Officer Training School (OTS) applicants must be at least 17 to apply and commissioned before their 35th birthday.

    Physician, Nurse and Allied Health applicants need to contact a recruiter, as the age criteria may vary by profession.

    Note: Prior service applicants should contact their local recruiter for age cut-offs.


    http://www.airforce.com/contact-us/faq/eligibility/#what-cut-off-age



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    Now lets turn this into a hot military guy picture thread!!!icon_biggrin.gif


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    Mar 13, 2013 5:20 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk saidwow ... you stated a whole lot of fears ... to be honest ... I really don't think the military is for you

    edit ... that's a major reason the military wants em young ...because they are to young and dumb to have figured out that they are suppose to be afraid ... fear doesn't fight battles nor does being overly cautious


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    Mar 13, 2013 5:21 AM GMT
    I think we have all successfully succeeded in crushing his hopes and dreams!

    I only did it because he is so unlikable!!!icon_confused.gif
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    Mar 13, 2013 6:00 AM GMT
    I may not be able to help much, but I'll give you my best opinion.

    So, you say you've lost your way in life. When people do this, they often try to find answers. Sometimes they cling to the first thing they see, or the first ray of hope. Just ask yourself if you are running toward something or running away from something? If your life is hard now, will you be able to handle something even harder?

    Based on your description, you sound like a laid back kind of guy, but you want to better yourself as a person. Here is what I see for positives and negatives, and I mean the only ones that matter:

    Positives:
    Self improvment
    Skill improvement
    Resume material

    Negatives:
    An obligation to something you may not like/be able to handle.
    You may not find what you are looking for.

    Overall, it seems like the positives outweigh the negatives, but your lack of apparent enthusiasm in the post makes me think that you may not succeed at it because you don't want it enough.

    If your heart says yes, and they let you join, then go for it.

    But if your heart is wavering even slightly, then it may not be your best option.
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    Mar 13, 2013 5:00 PM GMT
    Boys... *taps foot*


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    Mar 13, 2013 5:03 PM GMT
    In the military you are either enlisted or an officer or you are a civilian worker. Your thread is confusing.
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    Mar 13, 2013 5:32 PM GMT
    Since the Air Force option seems to be out why don't you look into something similar, like the Coast Guard. My guess is that the age factor might be a problem, if it was for the AF. Alternatively, why don't you switch gears a bit and look into becoming a paramedic. On the plus side that might help you get into the military (age limits seem fuzzy wrt medical professionals). In addition it's probably an interesting job and I understand the pay isn't bad.

    I would have suggested a police auxiliary kind of thing to meet some of the needs you referred to but you live in California so I would avoid police work there if I was you (unless, perhaps, you move back to Northern California).
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    Mar 13, 2013 6:28 PM GMT
    All right let's bring this thread back under control-

    still looking to hear from active or retired AF members. From what I hear none of you are/ have been in the AF?

    Looking at my situation it's going to take many months, if not at least a year, to get my debt under control before I will even be considered. Oh yeah and I still have to get a job first to pay off the debts icon_rolleyes.gif

    Gonna go back in tomorrow to talk more with the recruiter, will post what I find out.
    I also thought that military is either enlisted or an officer so I was kind of bummed when I was told I couldn't be either. I probably misunderstood her. Doesn't make sense to me either the way I thought I heard it.