Allow Healthy Gay and bisexual men to donate blood

  • widestance

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    Mar 13, 2013 9:48 PM GMT


    Not many have signed the petition. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/allow-healthy-gay-and-bisexual-men-donate-blood/5zWQdryS#thank-you=p
  • Medjai

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    Mar 14, 2013 9:47 PM GMT
    But gays are all HIV and other STI risks. And butt sex is dirty.
  • thadjock

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    Mar 14, 2013 10:11 PM GMT
    Medjai saidBut gays are all HIV and other STI risks. And butt sex is dirty.


    the whole blood sharing thing gives me the creeps anyway, i'm thinking of converting to christian science just to make sure .

    how many people who are out there doing their best civic duty donating blood when they're walking around with undiagnosed diseases?

    is every pint of that blood comprehensively screened and tested to make sure it's 100% clean? i don't think so.
  • PolaroidSwing...

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    Mar 14, 2013 10:12 PM GMT
    thadjock saidis every pint of that blood comprehensively screened and tested to make sure it's 100% clean? i don't think so.


    Yes, all the blood is tested.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 14, 2013 10:19 PM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger said
    thadjock saidis every pint of that blood comprehensively screened and tested to make sure it's 100% clean? i don't think so.


    Yes, all the blood is tested.


    You're right. That's why they take three vials first before hooking you up to the bag. However, mistakes can be made, diseases missed, and shit does happen. It isn't a perfect system.

    I'm A-, which is quite rare. I'd be more than willing to donate every month if they'd let me. That or plasma, platelets, or whatever else is most needed. I have it, and it can save lives. Why not?
  • PolaroidSwing...

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    Mar 14, 2013 10:25 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    I'm A-, which is quite rare. I'd be more than willing to donate every month if they'd let me. That or plasma, platelets, or whatever else is most needed. I have it, and it can save lives. Why not?


    I personally agree that the ban should be lifted; but I'm not going to sign any petitions or knock down their door begging for permission. If they don't want my blood then they're not going to get it; shame about the recent decline in donations though.

    Oh well.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 14, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger said
    Medjai said
    I'm A-, which is quite rare. I'd be more than willing to donate every month if they'd let me. That or plasma, platelets, or whatever else is most needed. I have it, and it can save lives. Why not?


    I personally agree that the ban should be lifted; but I'm not going to sign any petitions or knock down their door begging for permission. If they don't want my blood then they're not going to get it; shame about the recent decline in donations though.

    Oh well.


    Agreed.

    I'd be willing to give up marrow, a kidney, or part of my liver as well. If I can live without it and its save a life, I'm okay with sharing.

    Too bad I'm 'too risky' though.
  • thadjock

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    Mar 14, 2013 10:37 PM GMT
    PolaroidSwinger said
    thadjock saidis every pint of that blood comprehensively screened and tested to make sure it's 100% clean? i don't think so.


    Yes, all the blood is tested.


    it's only tested for 9 diseases, everything else is a roll of the dice

    http://www.rodale.com/tick-diseases

    that's it i'm gonna start banking my own blood.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 14, 2013 10:42 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    PolaroidSwinger said
    thadjock saidis every pint of that blood comprehensively screened and tested to make sure it's 100% clean? i don't think so.


    Yes, all the blood is tested.


    it's only tested for 9 diseases, everything else is a roll of the dice

    http://www.rodale.com/tick-diseases

    that's it i'm gonna start banking my own blood.


    Here is what Canada tests for:
    ABO and Rh blood types.
    Unexpected red blood cell antibodies that are a result of prior transfusion, pregnancy, or other factors.
    Hepatitis B surface antigen, indicating a current infection (hepatitis) or carrier state for hepatitis B virus.
    Antibody to hepatitis B core antigen, indicator of a present or past infection with the hepatitis B virus.
    Antibody to hepatitis C virus, indicating a current or past infection with hepatitis C virus (most common cause of non-A/non-B hepatitis).
    Antibody to HTLV-I/II, indicator of infection with a virus that may cause adult T-cell leukemia or neurological disease.
    Antibody to HIV-1/2, indicator of infection with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).
    Nucleic Acid Test (NAT) for hepatitis C (HCV), hepatitis B (HBV) and HIV.
    Screening test for antibodies to syphilis.
    NAT for West Nile Virus (WNV).
    Enzyme-linked immunoassay (ELISA) test for Trypanosoma cruzi (Chagas Disease).

    Of course they don't test for everything. That's financially and biologically impossible. But if you feel healthy, and all those tests are negative, chances are that your blood is fine.

    If you are ever in a trauma situation, you will get donated blood, period. Might as well do your part to stock the bank now while you can. In all probability, you'd be hard pressed to sef donate enough to survive a trauma, even assuming shipping was instant.
  • thadjock

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    Mar 14, 2013 10:47 PM GMT
    Medjai said<
    I'd be willing to give up marrow, a kidney, or part of my liver as well. If I can live without it and its save a life, I'm okay with sharing.

    Too bad I'm 'too risky' though.


    would you be willing to go on an anonymous donor list and give a kidney ( liver / bone marrow, etc ) to a total stranger?
  • Medjai

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    Mar 14, 2013 10:50 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    Medjai said<
    I'd be willing to give up marrow, a kidney, or part of my liver as well. If I can live without it and its save a life, I'm okay with sharing.

    Too bad I'm 'too risky' though.


    would you be willing to go on an anonymous donor list and give a kidney ( liver / bone marrow, etc ) to a total stranger?


    Yes, especially marrow, since I can fully recover from that.

    As for organs, I heard a story that changed my outlook. My chances of dying in surgery are 1 in 4000. Without a kidney, they are guaranteed. So if I deny someone who is a match a kidney, I'm valuing my life 4000 times higher than theirs.
  • Rhi_Bran

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    Mar 14, 2013 10:53 PM GMT
    If you are able to provide proof to the medics at a blood drive that you are not positive for any blood-borne disease (say, provide a doctor's writ that is no more than a few days old), then you should jolly well be able to donate. I'm a universal donor, can give double reds, and gave at least ten times before having sex for the first time. And now I can't donate.
  • thadjock

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    Mar 14, 2013 11:01 PM GMT
    Medjai said<

    Yes, especially marrow, since I can fully recover from that.

    As for organs, I heard a story that changed my outlook. My chances of dying in surgery are 1 in 4000. Without a kidney, they are guaranteed. So if I deny someone who is a match a kidney, I'm valuing my life 4000 times higher than theirs.


    good for you, but donating anonymously is not something i would do..

    giving a kidney away would shorten your own potential lifespan, kidney function declines with age and if you only have one you'd be unlikely to live as long as if you had 2. 2 kidneys functioning at 50 percent = normal life, 1 kidney functioning at 50% = dialisys while waiting on a donor list.

    also if you donated a kidney to a total stranger, then you would be unable to save a close relative or your own child if you were a match. i've read that too donated kidneys even when a perfect match only have about a 10 yr shelf life once in the recipient. then rejection finally takes its toll and they need another one.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 14, 2013 11:04 PM GMT
    thadjock saidgood for you, but donating anonymously is not something i would do..

    giving a kidney away would shorten your own potential lifespan, kidney function declines with age and if you only have one you'd be unlikely to live as long as if you had 2. 2 kidneys functioning at 50 percent = normal life, 1 kidney functioning at 50% = dialisys while waiting on a donor list.

    also if you donated a kidney to a total stranger, then you would be unable to save a close relative or your own child if you were a match. i've read that too donated kidneys even when a perfect match only have about a 10 yr shelf life once in the recipient. then rejection finally takes its toll and they need another one.


    Oh, of course it's not perfect. I just can't justify the inequality.
  • thadjock

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    Mar 14, 2013 11:13 PM GMT
    Rhi_Bran saidIf you are able to provide proof to the medics at a blood drive that you are not positive for any blood-borne disease (say, provide a doctor's writ that is no more than a few days old), then you should jolly well be able to donate. I'm a universal donor, can give double reds, and gave at least ten times before having sex for the first time. And now I can't donate.


    even if your doctor gave you a note, you could have alot of unprotected sex and do alot of IV drugs in a few days.....the note would be meaningless

    but so is the whole "are you having sex with dudes" disqualifier, do they really think the honor system works?, as much as the Republicans wish there was, there's no test for gay, what would they do if you just lied and said you were a virgin or str8?
  • thadjock

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    Mar 14, 2013 11:15 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    Oh, of course it's not perfect. I just can't justify the inequality.


    i'm not even a post mortem organ donor
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    Mar 14, 2013 11:17 PM GMT
    Has anyone ever donated blood, and/or sperm by travelling a bit of a distance and lying when asked about being gay? I am curious of the possible repercussions.

    This isn't for me... it's for a friend...

    pm me if you don't feel like discussing in the open.
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    Mar 15, 2013 12:30 AM GMT
    I pass out when I get needles so no thanks.
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    Mar 15, 2013 9:05 AM GMT
    JerseyJames75 saidHas anyone ever donated blood, and/or sperm by travelling a bit of a distance and lying when asked about being gay? I am curious of the possible repercussions.

    This isn't for me... it's for a friend...

    pm me if you don't feel like discussing in the open.


    Im sure that people have, how many dudes on the down low or as we call them here in oz closets lie about who they have sex with as a passtime....
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    Mar 15, 2013 10:02 AM GMT
    I'm O+. My blood is a whore!

    I would give blood based on how my blood can work with any blood type, but I feel like I'd probably shrivel up into a raisin.
  • Import

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    Mar 15, 2013 2:55 PM GMT
    what if u just lie through your teeth an donate your HIV positive blood because one is bitter about having it. Wouldn't that be fucked up?
  • Medjai

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    Mar 15, 2013 2:57 PM GMT
    Import saidwhat if u just lie through your teeth an donate your HIV positive blood because one is bitter about having it. Wouldn't that be fucked up?


    Because they test for HIV, it'd get caught. And they'd notify you.

    There are a number of people that use blood donations as an STI screening method.
  • thadjock

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    Mar 15, 2013 6:01 PM GMT
    Import saidwhat if u just lie through your teeth an donate your HIV positive blood because one is bitter about having it. Wouldn't that be fucked up?


    no more fuckd up than if the guy knows he's + and lies to his partner and has unprotected sex with them.

    oh but that never happens either , right?

    if a person can be infected 3 mos before and still not test positive yet, what good does testing the blood for HIV do,

    isn't his blood is already infected too but just doesn't test positive yet?
  • Import

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    Mar 15, 2013 11:12 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    Import saidwhat if u just lie through your teeth an donate your HIV positive blood because one is bitter about having it. Wouldn't that be fucked up?


    no more fuckd up than if the guy knows he's + and lies to his partner and has unprotected sex with them.

    oh but that never happens either , right?

    if a person can be infected 3 mos before and still not test positive yet, what good does testing the blood for HIV do,

    isn't his blood is already infected too but just doesn't test positive yet?


    the look on ur face makes me wanna slap the shit out of u. icon_neutral.gif
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    Mar 15, 2013 11:23 PM GMT
    Now. now boys....play nice.....




    See, adjock? I told you...