Gentlemen, a woman who's shocked that she received a speeding ticket.

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    Mar 14, 2013 1:15 AM GMT
    for going 63mph in the left (passing lane)

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/12/17283634-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me-maryland-woman-gets-a-ticket-for-driving-63-mph-in-a-65-zone

    With Video! 63 mph in the passing lane!

    Ma'am, it's not a speeding ticket. It's a lane usage ticket.

    Hope your insurance company cancels your ass.
  • dcmacguy

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    Mar 14, 2013 4:37 AM GMT
    What's not being told there is that the average speed on that section of I-95 is closer to 85MPH... at 65 you are in the right lane and people are passing you.

    There's a ramp 2 miles north of where she got pulled over at that I used to use frequently. It dumps you out into the left hand lane and has a fairly short acceleration lane (I drive a quick car, and it's still too short for comfort). It's fairly common to have to push over 90 coming off of the ramp just to safely merge into the flow of traffic.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 14, 2013 4:52 AM GMT
    People driving slow and refusing to yield in the left lane is one of my biggest peeves. It's dangerous, and illegal. And before this, I've never heard of a ticket being given for it.
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    Mar 14, 2013 4:55 AM GMT
    Medjai saidPeople driving slow and refusing to yield in the left lane is one of my biggest peeves. It's dangerous, and illegal. And before this, I've never heard of a ticket being given for it.

    +1
    I'm glad she got ticketed.
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    Mar 14, 2013 6:22 AM GMT
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  • Kairr

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    Mar 14, 2013 7:09 AM GMT
    um I'd appreciate some explanations.

    So, on the highways, the most left lane is the passing lane? (how do you tell?) and, when on the passing lane, you should always yield to the traffic speed or drive above the speed limit?


    I've been paranoid about roads and been avoiding to get on highways whenever I can...
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    Mar 14, 2013 11:21 AM GMT
    Medjai saidPeople driving slow and refusing to yield in the left lane is one of my biggest peeves. It's dangerous, and illegal. And before this, I've never heard of a ticket being given for it.


    Totally agree. Pass and get the hell out of the #1 lane.

    Some states will ticket for it, but not enough.
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    Mar 14, 2013 11:30 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Medjai saidPeople driving slow and refusing to yield in the left lane is one of my biggest peeves. It's dangerous, and illegal. And before this, I've never heard of a ticket being given for it.


    Totally agree. Pass and get the hell out of the #1 lane.

    Some states will ticket for it, but not enough.


    I have NEVER seen anyone get a ticket for that around here. It's a big problem.

    About 20 years ago there was a letter to the local traffic column from some old geezer (sorry, lol) named Nestor who insisted it was his right to get into the left lane and go as slow as he wanted. There was a firestorm for weeks. For those of us of a certain age it's still referred to as Nestorizing.
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    freedomisntfree said
    Medjai saidPeople driving slow and refusing to yield in the left lane is one of my biggest peeves. It's dangerous, and illegal. And before this, I've never heard of a ticket being given for it.


    Totally agree. Pass and get the hell out of the #1 lane.

    Some states will ticket for it, but not enough.


    I have NEVER seen anyone get a ticket for that around here. It's a big problem.

    About 20 years ago there was a letter to the local traffic column from some old geezer (sorry, lol) named Nestor who insisted it was his right to get into the left lane and go as slow as he wanted. There was a firestorm for weeks. For those of us of a certain age it's still referred to as Nestorizing.



    Hey, no problem. I wear my geezerness with pride.

    It's not too much of a problem around here (Columbus) other than Dodge Caravans, Chrysler Town and Country and the worst .. Honda Odysseys.

    Up in Michigan it's very little problem as those folks have excellent lane discipline.

    LA though was terrible and LA drivers wherever they happened to be caused a big problem with this such as I-15 on the way to Vegas. It made for what could be any otherwise pleasant drive, torture.

    I don't see too many issues that makes so many drivers rage aside from this one.
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    Mar 14, 2013 1:00 PM GMT
    Depends on how the State traffic rules are written. Many freeways post both maximum & minimum speeds, and you rarely see a minimum above 40 mph. Sometimes there are signs that read "Slower Traffic Keep Right" in which case this driver may have been cited for that failure.

    But 63 mph is only 2 mph below the limit, which is usually considered to be within the margin of allowable error for a car speedometer. If the police counter that she was blocking faster traffic, the question then becomes "How much faster?"

    By law it can't be faster than 65 mph, and she would have had the right to be doing 65 in any open lane. The "slower traffic to the right" law only applies when driving below the speed limit; otherwise it would imply that speeding over the limit is sanctioned.

    Nor on a multiple-lane highway are you allowed to pass at a higher speed than what's posted; that's a common myth. If the police say the other cars were doing 70+ then the court might inquire why THOSE drivers weren't ticketed, for violating the speed limit by much more than her 2 mph.

    I have a feeling she might be able to beat this in court.
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    Mar 14, 2013 1:24 PM GMT
    Few things set me off more than this kind of driving behavior. Move the eff over. If you are going slower than the traffic to your right, you are wrong. "it was windy" heres a thought, get in the right lane and do whatever you want. icon_evil.gif
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    Mar 14, 2013 1:36 PM GMT
    Kairr saidum I'd appreciate some explanations.

    So, on the highways, the most left lane is the passing lane? (how do you tell?) and, when on the passing lane, you should always yield to the traffic speed or drive above the speed limit?


    I've been paranoid about roads and been avoiding to get on highways whenever I can...


    Basically, you stay in the right lane except to overtake. The right lane is the travel lane, the left is the passing lane.

    You can stay in the left lane, but not yielding to faster traffic is an infraction. You should never pass or be passed on the right.

    This rarely works out through. People love to cruise in the passing lane, and said people I'll probably never get a ticket for it, when if a cop passes on the right. It's not an enforced law.
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    Mar 14, 2013 1:46 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidDepends on how the State traffic rules are written. Many freeways post both maximum & minimum speeds, and you rarely see a minimum above 40 mph. Sometimes there are signs that read "Slower Traffic Keep Right" in which case this driver may have been cited for that failure.

    But 63 mph is only 2 mph below the limit, which is usually considered to be within the margin of allowable error for a car speedometer. If the police counter that she was blocking faster traffic, the question then becomes "How much faster?"

    By law it can't be faster than 65 mph, and she would have had the right to be doing 65 in any open lane. The "slower traffic to the right" law only applies when driving below the speed limit; otherwise it would imply that speeding over the limit is sanctioned.

    Nor on a multiple-lane highway are you allowed to pass at a higher speed than what's posted; that's a common myth. If the police say the other cars were doing 70+ then the court might inquire why THOSE drivers weren't ticketed, for violating the speed limit by much more than her 2 mph.

    I have a feeling she might be able to beat this in court.


    I think she likely will too. The cop probably knows this so she must have been really blocking traffic for the cop to cite her for this. In many states the law is written as you describe, but it's just asinine. If you're in the passing lane and you notice that you have traffic blocked behind you for as far as you can see, then the common sense thing to do is get the hell out of the passing lane.

    I still remember going to the LEED convention from LA to Phoenix in 2009 or 2010 with one of my best friends who is just ultra conservative about everything I can think of. I had a very clean car that was just about to come off of lease and he was thinking about buying it so I was letting him drive. He lived in West LA for all of his life so he drove like where he was from. We took I-10 all of the way and as soon as he entered the freeway he'd make a beeline for the #1 lane and stayed glued to the speed limit. His argument was the same as you presented above. Problem is that when you factored a little common sense into the situation, he had a massive line of 80-85 mph traffic bottled up behind him jockeying from lane to lane trying to pass him on the right. Finally we had a number of cars pull over and pass him on the wide left shoulder blowing horns and flipping him off. It just got to the point that what he was doing, while strictly obeying the law, was so dangerous that I made him pull over and I drove the rest of the way from Palm Springs on.

    I was driving with an Escort 9500IX and of course he got the last laugh when I got hit with laser driving 103 in a 70. I drop enough speed quickly enough that he couldn't identify who it was so nothing happened. I'll argue that even at 100mph I was far safer than what he was doing at exactly 65 mph in the far left #1 lane. I averaged 85-87 mph the remainder of the way to Phoenix (until their stupid ass speed cameras) without incident and smoothly and safely.
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    Mar 14, 2013 1:47 PM GMT
    NomNomNom saidFew things set me off more than this kind of driving behavior. Move the eff over. If you are going slower than the traffic to your right, you are wrong. "it was windy" heres a thought, get in the right lane and do whatever you want. icon_evil.gif


    CORRECT !!!!!
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    Mar 14, 2013 1:53 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    Kairr saidum I'd appreciate some explanations.

    So, on the highways, the most left lane is the passing lane? (how do you tell?) and, when on the passing lane, you should always yield to the traffic speed or drive above the speed limit?


    I've been paranoid about roads and been avoiding to get on highways whenever I can...


    Basically, you stay in the right lane except to overtake. The right lane is the travel lane, the left is the passing lane.

    You can stay in the left lane, but not yielding to faster traffic is an infraction. You should never pass or be passed on the right.

    This rarely works out through. People love to cruise in the passing lane, and said people I'll probably never get a ticket for it, when if a cop passes on the right. It's not an enforced law.


    If I was a state highway patrol, there would be nothing I would ticket for more than this because I feel that this is by far the most dangerous behavior one can engage in on the divided multilane freeways.

    I'd see this time and time again on the way to Vegas on I-15 ... traffic is dangerously jammed and as you look up ahead you see the left lane bandit with nothing in front of him for a mile or so.
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    Mar 14, 2013 1:58 PM GMT
    She should win the argument. The speed limit is the maximum speed a car should go. She was legally driving within the limit. People shouldn't be passing her because then they would be speeding and deserve the ticket.
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    Mar 14, 2013 2:01 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidShe should win the argument. The speed limit is the maximum speed a car should go. She was legally driving within the limit. People shouldn't be passing her because then they would be speeding and deserve the ticket.


    Fine, then get the FUCK out of the passing lane and she can do whatever she wants provided that she's above the statutory min.
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    Mar 14, 2013 2:03 PM GMT
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    msuNtx saidShe should win the argument. The speed limit is the maximum speed a car should go. She was legally driving within the limit. People shouldn't be passing her because then they would be speeding and deserve the ticket.


    Fine, then get the FUCK out of the passing lane and she can do whatever she wants provided that she's above the statutory min.


    Don't get all huffy and puffy with me. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
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    Mar 14, 2013 2:06 PM GMT
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    msuNtx saidShe should win the argument. The speed limit is the maximum speed a car should go. She was legally driving within the limit. People shouldn't be passing her because then they would be speeding and deserve the ticket.


    Fine, then get the FUCK out of the passing lane and she can do whatever she wants provided that she's above the statutory min.


    Right?!!! lol

    OMG, get the FUCK out of the passing lane! lol. Clearly I get a little road rage haha.

    I'm a very assertive driver and a very quick driver as well, and it bothers me horribly when slow people are in the passing lane... they don't even realize that they are the problem, not the people passing them...
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    Mar 14, 2013 2:06 PM GMT
    One way to reduce the incidents of this is set rural interstate speed limits at the 85th or 90th percentile and then she (and others) lose this excuse. Set the limit for maximum safety and efficiency instead of maximum revenue.
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    Mar 14, 2013 2:07 PM GMT
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    msuNtx saidShe should win the argument. The speed limit is the maximum speed a car should go. She was legally driving within the limit. People shouldn't be passing her because then they would be speeding and deserve the ticket.


    Fine, then get the FUCK out of the passing lane and she can do whatever she wants provided that she's above the statutory min.


    Don't get all huffy and puffy with me. I'm just playing devil's advocate.


    Wouldn't be the first time darling.
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    Mar 14, 2013 2:08 PM GMT
    RobertF64 saidfor going 63mph in the left (passing lane)

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/12/17283634-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me-maryland-woman-gets-a-ticket-for-driving-63-mph-in-a-65-zone

    With Video! 63 mph in the passing lane!

    Ma'am, it's not a speeding ticket. It's a lane usage ticket.

    Hope your insurance company cancels your ass.


    I dont think there is such a thing as a lane useage ticket. Certainly not anywhere I have lived. And it was a speeding ticket. And the left lane is not a passing lane.
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    Mar 14, 2013 2:12 PM GMT
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    RobertF64 saidfor going 63mph in the left (passing lane)

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/12/17283634-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me-maryland-woman-gets-a-ticket-for-driving-63-mph-in-a-65-zone

    With Video! 63 mph in the passing lane!

    Ma'am, it's not a speeding ticket. It's a lane usage ticket.

    Hope your insurance company cancels your ass.


    I dont think there is such a thing as a lane useage ticket. Certainly not anywhere I have lived. And it was a speeding ticket. And the left lane is not a passing lane.


    And you live where? You LAers are the problem with this.

    Yes, I know that in metro LA we frequently need ALL lanes just to move, but folks, use some fuckin common sense when you folks are in areas where you don't need all lanes. Get the fuck OUT of the left lane when you have traffic bottled up behind you. I don't care if you're going 80 mph in a 65 zone (with nothing in front of you) and you have a line of 90 mph traffic behind you . MOVE THE FUCK OVER.
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    Mar 14, 2013 2:16 PM GMT
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    RobertF64 saidfor going 63mph in the left (passing lane)

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/12/17283634-youve-got-to-be-kidding-me-maryland-woman-gets-a-ticket-for-driving-63-mph-in-a-65-zone

    With Video! 63 mph in the passing lane!

    Ma'am, it's not a speeding ticket. It's a lane usage ticket.

    Hope your insurance company cancels your ass.


    I dont think there is such a thing as a lane useage ticket. Certainly not anywhere I have lived. And it was a speeding ticket. And the left lane is not a passing lane.


    And you live where? You LAers are the problem with this.

    Yes, I know that in metro LA we frequently need ALL lanes just to move, but folks, use some fuckin common sense when you folks are in areas where you don't need all lanes. Get the fuck OUT of the left lane when you have traffic bottled up behind you. I don't care if you're going 80 mph in a 65 zone (with nothing in front of you) and you have a line of 90 mph traffic behind you . MOVE THE FUCK OVER.


    I grew up in CT. Which is where I learned how to drive. Then lived in NY for many years. Neither state has a lane useage law. All lanes are meant to go forward. You dont need to be in the left lane. There is no such thing as it being illegal to pass on the right. The problem is you midwesterners. Just GO. You dont need a princess lane. Gas. Forward. Vroom. Pretty simple.
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    Mar 14, 2013 2:21 PM GMT
    msuNtx said
    freedomisntfree said
    msuNtx saidShe should win the argument. The speed limit is the maximum speed a car should go. She was legally driving within the limit. People shouldn't be passing her because then they would be speeding and deserve the ticket.


    Fine, then get the FUCK out of the passing lane and she can do whatever she wants provided that she's above the statutory min.


    Don't get all huffy and puffy with me. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
    msuNtx said
    freedomisntfree said
    msuNtx saidShe should win the argument. The speed limit is the maximum speed a car should go. She was legally driving within the limit. People shouldn't be passing her because then they would be speeding and deserve the ticket.


    Fine, then get the FUCK out of the passing lane and she can do whatever she wants provided that she's above the statutory min.


    Don't get all huffy and puffy with me. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
    Whoa... language you fucky fucking piece of spoiled ass. (add a few more for affect if you will) icon_razz.gif

    nah, I mean she wasn't speeding but yes... she was in the passing lane. in my eyes, she should have been in the right lane seeing as she was going "around" the speed limit. But everyone saying they are "I hate that" or "biggest pet peeve" ... PLEASE, we all know you guys are the next ones to be in the 6 car pile up.

    Her reaction in the video was kind of funny..."i was shocked... I thought
    that,"

    ...and just to be safe, "Click it, or Ticket!" Felt it had to be said. icon_wink.gif