Russia Anti-Gay Rise: 85 Percent Oppose Same-Sex Marriage, 5 Percent Support Eradication

• metta
  
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  Mar 14, 2013 6:14 AM GMT

  Russia Anti-Gay Rise: 85 Percent Oppose Same-Sex Marriage, 5 Percent Support Eradication
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/russia-anti-gay_n_2866608.html

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  Mar 14, 2013 12:54 PM GMT

  that's disheartening. I love Russia :-/

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• DanOmatic
  
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  Mar 14, 2013 1:15 PM GMT

  Ugh. Russia is so retrograde. The general lack of any concern for basic rights is the result of centuries of being abused and terrorized by ruthless tyrants. Just like children who grow up in families where terror and abuse are the norm and then as adults they perpetuate the suffering by abusing and terrorizing others. It's a highly dysfunctional society.

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  Mar 14, 2013 1:38 PM GMT

  DanOmatic saidUgh. Russia is so retrograde. The general lack of any concern for basic rights is the result of centuries of being abused and terrorized by ruthless tyrants. Just like children who grow up in families where terror and abuse are the norm and then as adults they perpetuate the suffering by abusing and terrorizing others. It's a highly dysfunctional society.

  
  
  Education is the answer, something Russia has sorely lacked. Dictatorial societies have always been thus.

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  Mar 14, 2013 2:47 PM GMT

  aww, you can't blame them but hope they get a change of mind...

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  DanOmatic saidUgh. Russia is so retrograde. The general lack of any concern for basic rights is the result of centuries of being abused and terrorized by ruthless tyrants. Just like children who grow up in families where terror and abuse are the norm and then as adults they perpetuate the suffering by abusing and terrorizing others. It's a highly dysfunctional society.

  
  
  Russia never experienced a Renaissance or awakening period where people questioned religion and attempted to secularize the state from the church. This division was enforced by the state in the Communist era and thus most people never went through any period of self retrospection and willingly became less conservative.

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  Mar 14, 2013 4:07 PM GMT

  Medjai said

  DanOmatic saidUgh. Russia is so retrograde. The general lack of any concern for basic rights is the result of centuries of being abused and terrorized by ruthless tyrants. Just like children who grow up in families where terror and abuse are the norm and then as adults they perpetuate the suffering by abusing and terrorizing others. It's a highly dysfunctional society.

  
  
  Education is the answer, something Russia has sorely lacked. Dictatorial societies have always been thus.

  
  
  Are you talking about formal education? Because more Russians graduate from Universities and power the code of your search engines for that matter than people from many other countries. Average literacy is higher than in the US and Canada.
  
  Russian society's view on gays is at the level of stonewall in the US unfortunately, but younger generations are more open.

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  Apr 04, 2013 1:13 PM GMT

  Clouseau:
  
  Russian society's view on gays is at the level of stonewall in the US unfortunately, but younger generations are more open.
  
  
  StephenOABC:
  
  Why even study Aristotelian logic, the Socratic method, Reasoning, Public Speaking - Persuasive Speaking, Sociology if your only recourse (not discourse) is to wait for the younger generation to grow up.

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  Apr 09, 2013 5:21 AM GMT

  Dutch Gay Rights Groups Await Putin In Amsterdam
  
  
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  Anti-gay Russian President, Vladimir Putin, visited Amsterdam (Netherlands) today and was greeted with a visual message at the airport passenger terminal. For the record, the Netherlands was the first country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage more than a decade ago.
  
  

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  Apr 09, 2013 5:22 AM GMT

  

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  Apr 09, 2013 1:54 PM GMT

  just a slight difference:
  
  

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  Apr 09, 2013 3:00 PM GMT

  Those of us from the U.S. often feel like we are so far behind the world on this issue, but in reality the vast majority of the world's population lives under de facto legalized discrimination or in one of the many countries where same-sex relations are still illegal and punishable by up to death. Only 11 countries recognize same sex marriage with a few more having unions with similar benefits. Heck there are protests in France against marriage equality larger than similar protests in the U.S. Depending on how the Supreme Court rules, the U.S. may end up with better gay marriage rights than France, and if DOMA is struck down (as is the common belief) our situation here will be legally better than Australia. Of course there is still discrimination and much work to be done, but maybe things aren't really so bad...

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  Apr 09, 2013 3:03 PM GMT

  That's depressing...
  it just shows there are still some really tough battles to be fought around the globe.
  Still they're slightly better off in Russia than Ugandan gays.
  
  But honestly, I don't think I can come up with anyone I loathe more than Vladimir Putin. the guy is just evil.

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  Apr 09, 2013 3:12 PM GMT

  Vladimir Putin Says Russia Does Not Discriminate Against Gays
  
  
  http://www.towleroad.com/2013/04/vladimir-putin-says-russia-does-not-discriminate-against-gays.html

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  Apr 09, 2013 3:14 PM GMT

  Putin Wants to Stop Foreign Gay Couples From Adopting Russian Children
  
  http://www.advocate.com/politics/2013/04/01/putin-wants-stop-foreign-gay-couples-adopting-russian-children

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  Apr 09, 2013 3:28 PM GMT

  metta8 saidVladimir Putin Says Russia Does Not Discriminate Against Gays
  
  
  http://www.towleroad.com/2013/04/vladimir-putin-says-russia-does-not-discriminate-against-gays.html

  
  
  Evil dictators probably have a different definition of the word "discrimination" than most people.

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  Apr 09, 2013 3:38 PM GMT

  Russia's like that guy you know that you kind of want to be friends with.
  You can tell he's bright and full of potential, and keep hoping he's going to get his shit together. ...but it just never quite pans out.
  And the sad thing is he knows he has potential too... which creates an identity crisis where he constantly feels the need to posture, rather than get shit done.
  
  You keep hoping. But secretly are afraid that he's going to join a cult or some other weird movement to sate his weird identity issues.
  
  
  Russia.
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  Apr 09, 2013 4:25 PM GMT

  _Tom saidI think it's the Revolution that did it, and then the war.
  
  Russia of 1913 had a lot of promise, and Lenin's Siberian exile was like a Sunday School picnic compared to the Gulag. During and after the Revolution Russia liquidated, extruded, or repressed the most enlightened segment of the population.

  
  
  Hmm.
  I feel a bit foolish, but I hadn't thought of the cultural impact of this tbh.
  How do you think this adds up in the context of relatively liberal Germany though? (1/2 of which had both Nazi's and Stalin)

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  Apr 09, 2013 5:21 PM GMT

  Well, guys. Firstly, I am from the Russian Federation.
  Unfortunately, there are no so many users from Russia here, so, I'm gonna tell you my point about what's happening in the R.F. about gay problem and thw whole country in general.
  To be honest, reading all of your posts, was laughing so much.
  The answer that education is a cause mostly all of the Russians agains gays made me a little bit angry, actually. All people in Russia should be educated for free until 11th grade in the secondary school, after that you can go to the University , 75 % of students are studying for free as well. We've got a great number of Russian writers, mostly all of us know Geography, to me isn't big problem to point at almosyt any country.
  About that Russia is so retrograde. That's a big misunderstanding and it doesn't exist anymore. We passed terrible times of 1990-s, Thanks for Putin who could return country to the normal stage and make a stability in the country. I alreadyborn in new country, called the Russian Federation. Mostly all of us hate communism, my parents, friends in particular as well. We have a new view of the world, we could do whatever we want. Even I am studying in China for now, I have got friends from around the world : the U.S, the U.K., Jaoan, Australia, Japan, Germany and etc. We are all friends between each other and it does proove that we might have "perpetual peace" in the world.
  About the gays in Russia. That's a big contradiction actually. Even that law, which has been accepted like 2 months ago says a bit different that all of people thinking about. There are still so many gay-clubs in Russia, there are so many celebrities who are gays as well, and we can see them every day on TV. It doesn't make any sence that if you just say a word " a gay". you will be punieshed at once. nope, no way.
  Yes, you can't make gay parades in Rus anymore, but I actually don't think that we need in them too much. I'm fine with what we have now.
  And, all of you guys, very welcome to Russia, to change your mind about this country. Never discuss about the country, which you never been too. That's what I do think.
  Thanks.

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• free_mind12
  
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  Apr 09, 2013 5:59 PM GMT

  The issue of intolerance homosexuality in
  Russia is a direct western influence of the church and Islam
  
  The West in order to fight what they termed the "ungodly communist" fostered and supported the the role of religion both christian, Islam and buddhist in order to fight, undermine and infiltrate the Soviet Union.
  
  It is the Church and religion that is the root of all this, as it is the church and religion that is the root of western cultural hegemony and dominance, pop culture aside.
  
  It is not an issue in the Western world for a complexity of reasons, mainly the use of technical law, the dominance of the western worlds geographic sphere, so that the west does not need to worry about demographics, the west's superficial tolerance of homosexuals in order use human rights to promote the agenda (hegemony or otherwise) of the state or western states.

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