Dying Vet's 'Fuck You' Letter To George Bush & Dick Cheney Needs To Be Read By Every American

  • metta

    Posts: 39112

    Mar 19, 2013 9:06 PM GMT
    DYING VET’S ‘FUCK YOU’ LETTER TO GEORGE BUSH & DICK CHENEY NEEDS TO BE READ BY EVERY AMERICAN

    http://dangerousminds.net/comments/dying_vets_fuck_you_letter_to_george_bush_dick_cheney_needs_to_be_read
  • jock_1

    Posts: 1491

    Mar 19, 2013 9:28 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAnd what do YOU think?


    We know what the OP thinks without reading the letter. I read it...so what? Its from an angry lefty who joined the army and had to go fight for his country and is now speaking out about his former boss. His job was alot tougher than any of us will ever do. I can understand the guy's anger about having to go to war. No soldier ever wants to go to war but when called upon that is his job and his service to our country and to that we are all grateful. I know the OP and left still have anti Bush derrangement syndrome but whats the OP's point?
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 19, 2013 11:50 PM GMT
    The fact that there are a specific few repetitively complaining about Metta speaks volumes about those few.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 20, 2013 12:08 AM GMT
    topathlete said
    Additionally, with a bit of research, it is not hard to find that many of both parties supported the Iraqi war. The UK Prime Minister, Tony Blair, among others did as well.


    And Blair's reputation in the UK is lower than whale shit because of it. Bush's is even lower (if that's possible).
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 20, 2013 3:03 AM GMT
    It's easily understandable that this poor man would be extremely angry. I feel sorry for him, he is personally familiar with hell on earth, and dying is his only relief. Sadly, history is full of stories like this. What gets me is Metta's intention of posting this. It isn't simply to tell a sad story, it was really for the edification of the anti-military left. Mistakes and piss-poor decisions will always be made by politicians, which is why the right mistrusts politicians and bureaucrats in the first place. I'm no military expert by any means, but what I've heard about restrictive rules of engagement that tie our soldier's hands is counter to common sense. Had we gone in with overwhelming power instead of trying to fight a politically correct war, then probably a lot of misery could have been spared. Should we not have gone into Iraq in the first place? It's been said before, Colin Powell and many democrats were for it, based on what was known at the time. That is the down side of fallible humans in positions of great power. It's not a responsibility I would want. No one knows the future. I know this will be of no comfort whatsoever to that poor dying man. I wouldn't know what to say to him, nothing could comfort him.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 20, 2013 3:19 AM GMT
    meninlove said The fact that there are a specific few repetitively complaining about Metta speaks volumes about those few.


    I was thinking about the same. I honestly don't know what is wrong with this forum. It's like a massive jar full of [insert insult here]. I was reading the comments right bellow the article, everyone directly addressing the topic with a clear point of view, showing respect for a war hero who fought for their country.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 20, 2013 3:24 AM GMT
    But he rarely says anything, he just posts links to articles from left wing websites, always with the implication that everything the article says is absolutely true and indisputable. Some of us question that premise, with the hope that others might do the same.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 20, 2013 3:25 AM GMT
    topathlete said
    meninlove said The fact that there are a specific few repetitively complaining about Metta speaks volumes about those few.

    Asking his opinion is complaining? Really. Creating a thread suggests he has an opinion, doesn't it? And a pretty strong one given the caps. Is it possible my point about many Democrats also supporting the war might impact his opinion? Isn't this a discussion forum?


    Blakes7 saidBut he rarely says anything, he just posts links to articles from left wing websites, always with the implication that everything the article says is absolutely true and indisputable. Some of us question that premise, with the hope that others might do the same.


    Im thankful to Metta8 for showing a link that I probably wouldnt have noticed otherwise. Being that said, this particular story outweighs whatever you personally think about any member's posting habits. The fact that some decide to shift the focus to something so severely stupid and insignificant instead of addressing the story does speak volumes of those few like meninlove said.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 20, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
    topathlete said
    charlitos said
    Im thankful to Metta8 for showing a link that I probably wouldnt have noticed otherwise. Being that said, this particular story outweighs whatever you personally think about any member's posting habits. The fact that some decide to shift the focus to something so severely stupid and insignificant instead of addressing the story does speak volumes of those few like meninlove said.

    If you read my first post, the gist was to respond to what the vet wrote. Regarding anyone's posting habits, although the vet's situation is very unfortunate, what he wrote was obviously incendiary, as was the motive of the OP. Some here give a pass to someone who typically throws stink bombs, but get upset at others asking him to discuss what he started.


    I will quote myself from an answer to another member also bashing metta8 on another thread, I added the "incendiary" term to make it custom

    charlitosI find his posts interesting not "deliberately provocative". It is just a damn link to an actual story. Metta8 is Realjock's news feed, he is not making any points, or asking you to believe the story. He is simply posting a link, and I repeat, a link to a news story he thought was worth sharing. Furthermore, any piece of news that is interesting can be categorized as "deliberately provocative" or "incendiary"; buddy if you really have transfer that descriptor to the person posting the link to the story then you really must hate news.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 20, 2013 3:55 AM GMT
    Unintended said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    topathlete said
    Additionally, with a bit of research, it is not hard to find that many of both parties supported the Iraqi war. The UK Prime Minister, Tony Blair, among others did as well.


    And Blair's reputation in the UK is lower than whale shit because of it. Bush's is even lower (if that's possible).


    I actually bought into Bush's lie about weapons of mass destruction, one reason being that I trusted the integrity of both Colin Powell and Blair. Given that WMDs were never found, and that liberating the Iraqi people was never a stated goal of the Second Iraq War, there are only two possible conclusions:

    1) Bush and his administration were utterly incompetent.

    2) Bush and his administration were complete liars with an agenda the American people will never know.

    Roughly 1/5 of our national debt is due to a war that brought the American people nothing but that (debt) plus misery to thousands of persons and families in America and countless tens of thousands of persons and families in Iraq.



    Bush lies, honey?











  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 20, 2013 4:10 AM GMT
    topathlete said
    charlitos saidI find his posts interesting not "deliberately provocative". It is just a damn link to an actual story. Metta8 is Realjock's news feed, he is not making any points, or asking you to believe the story. He is simply posting a link, and I repeat, a link to a news story he thought was worth sharing. Furthermore, any piece of news that is interesting can be categorized as "deliberately provocative" or "incendiary"; buddy if you really have transfer that descriptor to the person posting the link to the story then you really must hate news.

    Two points. What you may find not provocative, others do. We all come from different places. Second, and more pertinent, I've seen many cases when guys who post right-leaning articles are challenged and asked to defend what they post. Many, by challenging them, appear to believe the poster agrees with what they post, which motivated them starting a thread. In these cases the guys who started the threads generally join in the discussion. I think there is clearly a double standard. If someone asks Metta8's opinion about what he posted, why should anyone else be bothered. Do they think he is so defenseless that they need to cover for him? But no big deal.


    He is not in any obligation to engage. It would be nice if he did so but to disregard the story based on that alone is silly. So really, if you feel so insulted about a link to a news story then skip that thread and let others discuss it. No need to pollute it with comments about the OP when all the OP did was to copy and paste. I dont want to further continue talking about this because again this is not what this thread is about. I am pretty sure that whatever you are about to say from now on can be answered with some of my previous posts on this thread. No need to keep circling around.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 20, 2013 4:25 AM GMT
    Unintended said
    freedomisntfree said
    Unintended said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    topathlete said
    Additionally, with a bit of research, it is not hard to find that many of both parties supported the Iraqi war. The UK Prime Minister, Tony Blair, among others did as well.


    And Blair's reputation in the UK is lower than whale shit because of it. Bush's is even lower (if that's possible).


    I actually bought into Bush's lie about weapons of mass destruction, one reason being that I trusted the integrity of both Colin Powell and Blair. Given that WMDs were never found, and that liberating the Iraqi people was never a stated goal of the Second Iraq War, there are only two possible conclusions:

    1) Bush and his administration were utterly incompetent.

    2) Bush and his administration were complete liars with an agenda the American people will never know.

    Roughly 1/5 of our national debt is due to a war that brought the American people nothing but that (debt) plus misery to thousands of persons and families in America and countless tens of thousands of persons and families in Iraq.



    Bush lies, honey?


    If you read my quote, I said even I supported Bush's rationalization.

    Most other's, since lacking the direct classified evidence only privy to the Administration, drew similar conclusions.

    Too bad both them and myself did not pay more attention to UN Inspector reports. Me, so I don't feel so duped by Bush but more important, the others so this disaster could have been avoided.


    "into Bush's lie about weapons of mass destruction"
  • jock_1

    Posts: 1491

    Mar 20, 2013 3:33 PM GMT
    How about the OP posting a letter from some WW2 vets on thier feelings to go to war and thier feeling about the president at the time or how they felt about killing thousands upon thousands of Japanese people with the bomb or how they had to kill thousands upon thousands of innocent German people? And what about our efforts to rebuild those countries back then that we destroyed? The OP's and left's hate for president Bush and the military have been displayed in the forums many many times
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 21, 2013 12:32 AM GMT










  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 21, 2013 3:56 AM GMT
    Unintended saidTenet says Cheney had eye on Iraq long before 9/11
    In his book, former CIA director says aides to Cheney and Rumsfeld inserted 'crap' into public justifications for war

    Washington Post | April 29, 2007
    KAREN DEYOUNG

    WASHINGTON — White House and Pentagon officials, and particularly Vice President Dick Cheney, were determined to attack Iraq from the first days of the Bush administration, long before the Sept. 11 attacks, and repeatedly stretched available intelligence to build support for the war, according to a new book by former CIA director George Tenet.

    Although Tenet does not question the threat Saddam Hussein posed or the sincerity of administration beliefs, he recounts numerous efforts by aides to Cheney and then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to insert "crap" into public justifications for the war. Tenet also describes an ongoing fear within the intelligence community of the administration's willingness to "mischaracterize complex intelligence information."

    "There was never a serious debate that I know of within the administration about the imminence of the Iraq threat," Tenet writes in At the Center of the Storm, to be published Monday. The debate "was not about imminence but about acting before Saddam did."

    White House counselor Dan Bartlett Friday called Tenet a "true patriot" but disputed his conclusions, saying "the president did wrestle with those very serious questions." Responding to reports from the book in Friday's New York Times, Bartlett suggested that the former CIA director might have been unaware of all the discussions. President Bush, Bartlett said on NBC's Today Show, "weighed all the various consequences before he did make a decision."

    In their threat briefings for the incoming Bush administration in late 2000, Tenet writes, CIA officials did not even mention Iraq. But Cheney, he says, asked for an Iraq briefing and requested that the outgoing Clinton administration's defense secretary, William Cohen, provide information on Iraq for Bush.

    A speech by Cheney in August 2002 "went well beyond what our analysis could support," Tenet writes. The speech charged, among other things, that Saddam had restarted his nuclear program and would "acquire nuclear weapons fairly soon ... perhaps within a year." Caught off-guard by the remarks, which had not been cleared by the CIA, Tenet says he considered confronting the vice president on the subject but did not.



    Min 1:16 & 1:40 That sure didn't look like Dick Cheney or George W Bush.

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 21, 2013 4:36 AM GMT
    Unintended saidI know you are close to senile age but we have been thru this before.

    Answer the questions about the Bush and Cheney lies. And their incompetent administration. And the statements made by George Tenent.


    For someone who 'just joined' RJ a couple of weeks ago, you sure could make many of us wonder which formally banned poster you are

    So instead of the insults dipshit

    Min 1:16 & 1:40 That sure didn't look like Dick Cheney or George W Bush.

  • creature

    Posts: 5197

    Mar 21, 2013 5:47 AM GMT
    jock_1 saidHow about the OP posting a letter from some WW2 vets on thier feelings to go to war and thier feeling about the president at the time or how they felt about killing thousands upon thousands of Japanese people with the bomb or how they had to kill thousands upon thousands of innocent German people? And what about our efforts to rebuild those countries back then that we destroyed? The OP's and left's hate for president Bush and the military have been displayed in the forums many many times


    One, our involvement in World War II was under a far different circumstance than it was for the Iraq invasion. If you can't tell the difference then I feel sorry for you.

    Two, the left do not hate the military as you rightwing extremists like to point out. What we hate is the abuse and mismanagement of our military resources.
  • GQjock

    Posts: 11649

    Mar 21, 2013 1:04 PM GMT
    Oy ....... ten years after the fact
    we still have republican apologists trying .... however sadly that maybe
    trying to rewrite history

    The fact is that there was a BLATANT BLATANT lie that was perpetrated on the American people where more than 4000 people laid down their lives for NOTHING

    ..... hundreds of thousands were killed .... millions lost their homes ..... and a sectarian civil war was ignited that is still going strong to this day

    .... and the attempts to say that democrats were part of it is even sadder than the excuses
    The posts (That SOME people are using .... are of legislators who were ALSO lied to ...... remember that the CIA was used as a tool to cover the liars tracks
    ....remember the DICK CHENEY trips to CIA headquarters leading up to that war?

    and some of the videos that SOME people are posting were from when Sadam DID have the weapons before the Clinton adinistration put in the inspectors that the war criminals took out

    Ten years after we are FINALLY coming to the realization that this war has to be paid for
    the Criminals put all the cost on our credit ...... TRILLIONS will need to be paid for it and it was a waste of life time and money in the most catastrophic way possible

    These people probably will get away with it ... but they deserve to be hauled in to a world court and tried to war crimes of the highest order
  • GQjock

    Posts: 11649

    Mar 21, 2013 3:28 PM GMT
    To the poster above
    When you try to tell yourself that the lies your party people told you were also told by people like Hilary Clinton?

    Take a deep breath and meditate ...... and picture in your mind Dick Cheney driving his Cheney Mobile not once not twice but Many Many times over to CIA headquarters where he told people there .... and this is all in the historical files so you can check yourself
    He told people there to only look at the items that he wanted them to look at and report back on only those issues

    This is why the Congressional Committees said what they said and did what they did .... AT that time

    Hilary has come forward and said she was wrong on the Iraq war
    Did W say they same ?
    Dick Cheney say that Too?

    There was a crime committed and hundreds of thousands lost their lives because of it

    Your defense is sad and dissappointing for the people who suffered and many of which like the man who wrote that letter are still suffering now
  • creature

    Posts: 5197

    Mar 21, 2013 3:52 PM GMT
    topathlete said
    topathlete saidHillary Clinton, as Senator in 2002, explains her reasons to support potential military activity in Iraq. Being in the Senate with oversight authority over the intelligence community, she had full knowledge of the intelligence estimates. The point cannot be made that her decision was based on any Bush lies as she had full access to the sources and came to the same assessment as did Bush.



    Interesting how the far left is trying to insulate Hillary from her support of the war. They have always hated Bush and believe if they can focus more light on him, less will be on Clinton. Again, Congressional intelligence committees had full oversight over the intelligence community. There is no evidence they were not given the same information as was the Bush Administration. Had there been any doubts of being denied access or given deliberately misleading information, Congressional committees under Democratic control would have certainly investigated, and the agencies during the first Obama term would have cooperated. On top of this, several other governments with their own intelligence agencies also agreed with the estimates. What is known is Saddam did have WMD at some point, and moved them, likely to Syria, prior to the war. Even Saddam's Generals thought he had the weapons. So trying to blame all on Bush and Cheney is nothing but a lie, fueled by hatred of them and a need to purify Clinton should she run in 2016.


    I never excused Hilary for her vote. Nonetheless Bush was President--he was supposed to be a leader. When the "intelligence" came to light, he should have done a 180, instead he pathetically clung to his belief the same tactics used in the beginning of our occupation of Iraq would lead us to some kind of victory ("mission accomplished"), despite its futility.

    Of course Bush was no leader, hence the dire situation in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Additionally, those agencies that came out with their own reports about 9/11 and the connection to Saddam were shown to have been the result of pressure coming from the top to draw a connection, no matter how baseless the claim would be.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Mar 21, 2013 3:54 PM GMT
    Everyone with a functional brain knows that GW Bush and Cheney Would be tried as war criminals if they led an army into Iraq had they not been American leaders.
    Justice would be those two in a jail, rotting. Did democrats vote for this invasion? Sure, but try and remember how the war was sold with lies and misrepresentation of information and never forget the use of Fox News and propaganda tools that used fear of another 9-11 if you even questioned Bush at hat time.
  • jock_1

    Posts: 1491

    Mar 21, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    creature said
    jock_1 saidHow about the OP posting a letter from some WW2 vets on thier feelings to go to war and thier feeling about the president at the time or how they felt about killing thousands upon thousands of Japanese people with the bomb or how they had to kill thousands upon thousands of innocent German people? And what about our efforts to rebuild those countries back then that we destroyed? The OP's and left's hate for president Bush and the military have been displayed in the forums many many times


    One, our involvement in World War II was under a far different circumstance than it was for the Iraq invasion. If you can't tell the difference then I feel sorry for you.

    Two, the left do not hate the military as you rightwing extremists like to point out. What we hate is the abuse and mismanagement of our military resources.


    Yes, yes, I know the difference. The only major circumstance was that Saddam didn't strike first or maybe that he had killed off enough of Iraq citizens. I certainly know far more people were killed ....innocent people... when we dropped the bomb on Japan than were in the Iraq and Afgan war combined x 10. If the military were to fold up today you would care nothing about it. But yet the waste and foolish spending your president is doing today get not one mention from you.
  • thadjock

    Posts: 2183

    Mar 21, 2013 5:57 PM GMT
    jock_1 said The OP's and left's hate for president Bush and the military have been displayed in the forums many many times


    The Vet who wrote the letter raises some really important issues regarding healthcare and medical treatment of wounded warriors, that have been mostly ignored, and is a shameful reflection on everyone in this country for not doing something about it, and forcing the government to make this right.

    where he loses me, is when he rails against bush/cheney for not prosecuting the wars the way HE wanted it done. when you enlist in the military you're there to execute the Commander in Chief's decisions, you're not there to make moral judgement on what country to invade or what people you're going to kill.

    I happen to agree that the wars were badly managed, and profiteering was the primary motive by the executive branch, but he joined "Bush's" military, and he was obligated to fight Bush's war.
  • GQjock

    Posts: 11649

    Mar 22, 2013 1:46 AM GMT
    topathlete said
    GQjock saidTo the poster above
    When you try to tell yourself that the lies your party people told you were also told by people like Hilary Clinton?

    Take a deep breath and meditate ...... and picture in your mind Dick Cheney driving his Cheney Mobile not once not twice but Many Many times over to CIA headquarters where he told people there .... and this is all in the historical files so you can check yourself
    He told people there to only look at the items that he wanted them to look at and report back on only those issues

    This is why the Congressional Committees said what they said and did what they did .... AT that time

    Hilary has come forward and said she was wrong on the Iraq war
    Did W say they same ?
    Dick Cheney say that Too?

    There was a crime committed and hundreds of thousands lost their lives because of it

    Your defense is sad and dissappointing for the people who suffered and many of which like the man who wrote that letter are still suffering now

    What you say is nothing substantial at all. Just a wordy mixture of unfounded suppositions and slogans. Nothing more.



    Nope
    Sorry dude that doesn't work here
    You don't get to just make a statement to negate what someone else says
    You disagree with me?
    Fine .... You say that I'm wrong in what I posted?
    Show me
    Because there are thousands upon thousands of maimed corpses in the balance .....
    You don't think Bush and Cheney lied?
    You think that what they said was true and we actually went to war there for a legitimate reason?
    The Congressional Committees were not given false Intelligence?
    Time to put up or shut up

    I'll wait icon_cool.gif
  • GQjock

    Posts: 11649

    Mar 22, 2013 1:53 AM GMT