Anadrol

  • paulken

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    Mar 19, 2013 10:32 PM GMT
    I am naive when it comes to what to take orally to build muscle . I saw online, how to get anadrol. Was wondering -is it safe to take? Is it legal to order through mail in the U.S.? I am an older guy, so my testosterone levels are low. Please help.
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    Mar 19, 2013 10:39 PM GMT
    Why not get a prescription for Androgel or testosterone from your doctor?
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    Mar 20, 2013 3:27 AM GMT
    I dunno. OP looks mischievous. Who knows what trouble he could get into if he were mischievous and jacked.
  • paulken

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    Mar 20, 2013 3:48 AM GMT
    xrichx saidWhy not get a prescription for Androgel or testosterone from your doctor?


    Tried that route, it didnt work. sighicon_cry.gif
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    Mar 20, 2013 5:02 AM GMT
    paulken said
    xrichx saidWhy not get a prescription for Androgel or testosterone from your doctor?


    Tried that route, it didnt work. sighicon_cry.gif
    Find a new doctor. Obviously, he's not looking out for your best interests.
  • paulken

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    Mar 21, 2013 9:33 PM GMT
    I have looked under my plan and cant find a doctor. I need help from outside the medical field.
  • Destinharbor

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    Mar 21, 2013 10:41 PM GMT
    The subject of test boosters was in another thread recently and several mentioned that you get your doctor to prescribe "10% test base in EMU Compounded" and have it made up at a compounding pharmacy. I'm not sure of the delivery system but the comments were more to the point that with this, you knew exactly how much test you were getting into your system. Also that it was cheap, as in $40/month. You might look into that. Also, there are injectable test boosters that your doctor can prescribe. You should try those before Anadrol.
  • gwuinsf

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    Mar 21, 2013 11:37 PM GMT
    paulken said I have looked under my plan and cant find a doctor. I need help from outside the medical field.


    It's very difficult to get insurance plans to cover testosterone, even if it's medically prescribed (at least that's what my doctor told me). If you're considering spending the kind of cash of getting it without prescription, then you should look for a doctor outside your plan that will prescribe it. If you're going to Realjock for advise on medications you can take outside of a doctor's supervision, I fear for your health and safety.
  • paulken

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    Mar 23, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    Thanks for you concern, but I weigh all advice. BTW, my test profile showed my free test. level is a whooping 126, so a booster would be ineffective.
  • Hunkymonkey

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    Mar 24, 2013 6:39 PM GMT
    Yes, it is illegal to buy steroids through the mail in the US. Not that that stops some people.

    For your purpose, anadrol is a terrible choice. In brief, it has limited use except for bodybuilders trying to bulk up fast. it is highly hepato-toxic, causes all sorts of unpleasant side effects, and can't safely be used by most people for more than 3 or 4 weeks. The gains from it are from quite a lot of retained fluid, which you quickly lose after stopping it. One of the biggest problems with orals is how long you can stay on them. The safest and the one you can use the longest is anavar. It doesn't have a reputation as a big-time builder, but in fact it is highly anabolic with very mild side effects. The downside is that it is expensive. You could try dbol. It is a classic mass building oral but after 6 weeks it's best to stop and like anadrol, some of the gain is from water, though less than anadrol. One time on high doses of dbol, I gained 20lb in 30 days, And pissed it away in less time than that. With dbol, you need an estrogen blocker, Another possibility is oral turanibol. For side effects, it is somewhere in between anavar and dbol. It doesn't convert much to estrogen, but it is not a great mass builder. Overall, orals work better for mass when stacked with an injectable. Test or deca are popular and effective choices.
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    Mar 24, 2013 6:43 PM GMT
    xrichx said
    paulken said
    xrichx saidWhy not get a prescription for Androgel or testosterone from your doctor?


    Tried that route, it didnt work. sighicon_cry.gif
    Find a new doctor. Obviously, he's not looking out for your best interests.


    WHOA!!! A better explanation is the doctor had a medical reason NOT to prescribe Androgel. If you want to go to an endocrinologist for a second opinion that's one thing, but to blindly pursue supplements when a doctor has said he didn't think they were a good idea is unwise.
  • He_Man

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    Mar 24, 2013 6:56 PM GMT
    Anadrol?!? For a first-time user? Anadrol is not for the novice, and like HunkyMonky said, it is very liver toxic. As one of my friends explained Anadrol to me, "It's like swallowing a box of razor blades for your liver - it will slash up your liver in no time!"

    If you testosterone level is really that low (126), then a doctor would put you on injectable testosterone if you requested it. That's a really low testosterone level, btw. Have you been to an endocrinologist to see why it's so low? Do you have any health problems that could be lowering your testosterone levels?
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    Mar 24, 2013 7:11 PM GMT
    paulken saidI am naive when it comes to what to take orally to build muscle . I saw online, how to get anadrol. Was wondering -is it safe to take? Is it legal to order through mail in the U.S.? I am an older guy, so my testosterone levels are low. Please help.


    Go see the doctor.

    Tell him you want testosterone in 10% EMU compounded, or injection. Androgel, and Axium, are crap, profit machines, and deliver such low doses as to not really be very effective.

    Avoid mail order unless you've verified the source. You could be looking a postal inspector in the eye if you don't.
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    Mar 24, 2013 7:17 PM GMT
    He_Man saidAnadrol?!? For a first-time user? Anadrol is not for the novice, and like HunkyMonky said, it is very liver toxic. As one of my friends explained Anadrol to me, "It's like swallowing a box of razor blades for your liver - it will slash up your liver in no time!"

    If you testosterone level is really that low (126), then a doctor would put you on injectable testosterone if you requested it. That's a really low testosterone level, btw. Have you been to an endocrinologist to see why it's so low? Do you have any health problems that could be lowering your testosterone levels?


    This isn't quite true.

    HIV studies have shown long term use of Anadrol 50, even at 200mg a day, is tolerated and leads to remarkably better outcomes.

    With regard to hepatoxicity, very few things are as hepatoxic as Tylenol, and that's why the FDA has made drug suppliers lower their over the counter maximum dose levels. Tylenol, in daily use, is way more dangerous than A 50.

    Heavy use of any C17 oral (NSAIDS to oral AAS and so on) can lead to non cancerous liver lesions, that abate once the drug is removed from use.

    The most dangerous C17s...you'll find at Walmart.

    Test injection should be your preferred choice.
    1. It's deliver mechanism is reliable.
    2. It's dirt cheap.
    3. It's easy to measure.

    Test base in EMU is typically made at 10% rather than 1.62% of the newer androgel, and costs 30 a month instead of 350, but, does not have the same reliable delivery of an injection.

    C17 orals are a bad choice for those with poor renal clearance, and long term use.

    You might also look an an estrogen inhibitor. It might be your estrogen is too high, but, likely, you need HRT.

    I've heard that A50 can make you feel like crap, cause hypertension, heavy water retention (it aromatizes heavily), and just general malaise. It's really not a good choice.

    If you're using any testosterone derivative, you'll want to make sure you're estrogen doesn't get to high. If you don't, you'll have issues of bloat and hypertension, which could lead to cardiovascular disease.

    You MUST manage your blood pressure.

    I've had lengthy discussions with qualified, and unqualified, medical folks about all this, and grew up in the age before folks decide to put testosterone users in jail.

    In my visits with geriatric physicians in Phoenix, I was told, without exception, that even a small bit of androgen can make a huge difference in the well being of a patient.

    Testosterone is good medicine, and will improve your life in many ways. Find someone who knows what they are doing. This isn't the place.

    There are many years of HIV studies to support my stated viewpoint, and lots of good evidence, but, you have to watch your estrogen, your BP, and remain active. You are almost certainly better off than on.

    Just FYI, EMU is just hand lotion....lol...you rub it on...but...for a lot less money.
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    Mar 24, 2013 7:33 PM GMT
    paulken saidThanks for you concern, but I weigh all advice. BTW, my test profile showed my free test. level is a whooping 126, so a booster would be ineffective.


    At a level of 126, I know my personal doctor would put you on an injection of 200mg a week of test cyp.

    Ideally, it works best if it's up around a 1000.

    Years of HIV studies show REMARKABLY improved outcomes of patients of patients with test levels of 1000 and above.

    No wonder you are struggling.

    Get on injectable test, given you don't have some other factor. Note that the newest science shows the PSA is garbage. That being said, I can tell you that my PSA is 0.4. The test will help with your bones, muscle mass, sense of well being, your brain, and and you'll feel much better. Time to get going on it. (It's believed it's high levels of estrogen that contribute more to prostate cancer, FYI...modern research is leading to.)

    This is something you should have done in your 30's...but...I can't be empathic enough...you have to keep your BP and diet in line. This requires dealing with a COMPETENT medical person and not a MORON medical person, who has never read article one about this. If the medical person you're dealing with doesn't have your complete confidence, get rid of them.
  • paulken

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    Mar 25, 2013 2:36 AM GMT
    Thanks guys , and I have gone to an endocrinologist and all he did was put me on that Axiron....auggh!
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    Mar 28, 2013 12:56 AM GMT
    paulken saidThanks guys , and I have gone to an endocrinologist and all he did was put me on that Axiron....auggh!


    See how it goes. If your levels don't come up to say...500 to 600 (closer to 1000 is better but some doctors get nervous about that if they have not much experience)....insist on injection. 126 is terrible.
  • Hunkymonkey

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    Mar 29, 2013 8:06 PM GMT
    For what it's worth, coincidentally, I just came across a trainer who claims he can raise your test without steroids but with some real science-y tweaking. I am not sure, but it could involve clomid or HCG, as there is sound evidence that both can work. But no matter to me as long as his plan does the job. He's got an expensive e-book, but the way I view things, a $75 book instead of months, years, or a lifetime of TRT is worth the investment. Yes, there is a chance it won't work, but then again, it could. Think how much money you spend on a weekend just for fun, sometimes. Which potentially has more benefit to your life, generally speaking? I know, if you are single, on that one expensive weekend, you could meet the man of your dreams, blah blah, blah. Think of the $75 as a few co-pays for seeing your doc. Anyway, you should explore all avenues, not just accept that an MD is the only way to go. I think by now, we realize that isn't true for so many ailments.

    Send me a message if you want the link, as I am not advertising for the guy.