Networking with gay professionals

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    Oct 13, 2008 7:12 PM GMT
    I was just wondering if anyone has advice on how to go about networking with gay professionals, maybe in the general Toronto area to be more specific. My attention was brought to the Fraternity Club in Toronto but I have yet to check it out.

    I was also told that the only way to truly meet gay professionals is to be “out”. Is this true? Is anyone out in the conservative world of the sciences or medicine? If so, what has your experience been like?
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    Oct 13, 2008 8:32 PM GMT
    AJC_TB saidIs anyone out in the conservative world of the sciences or medicine?

    I wouldn't have guessed that science was a particularly conservative field. That said, every industry is going to look more conformist than it actually is when you're closeted.
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    Oct 13, 2008 8:41 PM GMT
    try facebook
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    Oct 13, 2008 8:47 PM GMT
    Try also:

    http://www.glee.com/home/

    glee = Gay, Lesbian & Everyone Else. They have a professional area.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Oct 13, 2008 9:31 PM GMT
    AJC_TB saidI was just wondering if anyone has advice on how to go about networking with gay professionals, maybe in the general Toronto area to be more specific. My attention was brought to the Fraternity Club in Toronto but I have yet to check it out.

    I was also told that the only way to truly meet gay professionals is to be “out”. Is this true? Is anyone out in the conservative world of the sciences or medicine? If so, what has your experience been like?




    What's a gay professional?

    Mike
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    Oct 13, 2008 9:55 PM GMT
    MikePhil said

    What's a gay professional?

    Mike


    A gay who's in a professional career field.

    As opposed to a professional gay, who earns his living by being gay, or by teaching this valuable skill to others.
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    Oct 13, 2008 9:57 PM GMT
    Here's a whole list. There's one there for scientists.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_networking_websites
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    Oct 13, 2008 10:06 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    MikePhil said

    What's a gay professional?

    Mike


    A gay who's in a professional career field.

    As opposed to a professional gay, who earns his living by being gay, or by teaching this valuable skill to others.


    I was being sarcastic. I know what it means, it just annoys me. I consider myself a professional, but to those who use the word (professional) I would not be considered a professional.

    The one that really annoys me, is where you see the house or apartment for rent to a "professional"

    It's like everyone else is trash.

    Just one of my pet peeves.

    Ok carry on.

    Mike
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    Oct 13, 2008 10:43 PM GMT
    MikePhil said
    I was being sarcastic. I know what it means, it just annoys me. I consider myself a professional, but to those who use the word (professional) I would not be considered a professional.

    The one that really annoys me, is where you see the house or apartment for rent to a "professional"

    It's like everyone else is trash.

    Just one of my pet peeves.

    Ok carry on.

    Mike

    I understood your sarcasm, and replied with silliness. Hope you weren't annoyed.

    I prefer a more liberal interpretation of the word professional. While some would limit it to specific college degree fields, and particularly post-graduate level, it can also mean any field requiring a license or certification.

    So while perhaps not thought of as "a professional" one could be a professional plumber. We seem to have some distinction in the use of the word as a noun, and as an adjective.

    As for rentals, they may advertise to professionals, but not sure they can legally restrict to professionals. That would likely violate most fair housing laws.

    Don't get too hung up about this professional stuff. Act like a professional, and people will treat you like a professional. And in my experience, a great many so-called professionals have all the polish, manners and class of barbarians from the Dark Ages.

    I choose my friends for their inherent qualities, not for their degrees or career fields. Some are barely formerly educated, others are PhD's, some very rich & powerful, a few politically prominent, while others live paycheck to paycheck.

    And every one of them has similar qualities of class, grace and personality that admit them into my circle of friends. And there are some Rich & Famous to whom I've turned a cold shoulder.

    No one is "trash" in my book simply because they aren't a professional. But there's also trashy behavior, and that cuts across all social & economic lines.
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    Oct 13, 2008 10:54 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    MikePhil said
    I understood your sarcasm, and replied with silliness. Hope you weren't annoyed.


    No Red, you did not annoy me.

    I just had one or two experiences in the past that made me very angry.

    Anyway, from one professional to another, it's nice to know you think like that icon_smile.gif

    Mike
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    Oct 13, 2008 11:12 PM GMT
    MikePhil said
    Red_Vespa said
    MikePhil said
    I understood your sarcasm, and replied with silliness. Hope you weren't annoyed.


    No Red, you did not annoy me.

    I just had one or two experiences in the past that made me very angry.

    Anyway, from one professional to another, it's nice to know you think like that icon_smile.gif

    Mike


    You don't have to worry about it. farmers come under the banner of farmers, not professionals.

    I myself stopped being a man of the land, a farmer, to become a professional! many members of my family are wealthy land owners, yet they still are not professionals.
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    Oct 13, 2008 11:19 PM GMT
    AJC AB. Yes you can be conservative and be out, and not live a lie.

    I am out, and a professional. Now I don't live a lie, and hid the fact I am a fag. But I also don't wear my sexuality on my sleeve either. I have respect for myself, and others around me! My sexuality is only a wee part of my life, it dose not define me.

    Yes you can be out, and a conservative. But being seen naked on a float, in a gay parade may change that too, because then you would not be seen as conservative.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Oct 13, 2008 11:30 PM GMT
    Pattison said
    MikePhil said
    Red_Vespa said
    MikePhil said
    I understood your sarcasm, and replied with silliness. Hope you weren't annoyed.


    No Red, you did not annoy me.

    I just had one or two experiences in the past that made me very angry.

    Anyway, from one professional to another, it's nice to know you think like that icon_smile.gif

    Mike


    You don't have to worry about it. farmers come under the banner of farmers, not professionals.

    I myself stopped being a man of the land, a farmer, to become a professional! many members of my family are wealthy land owners, yet they still are not professionals.



    Pattison, as always you haven't a clue what you are talking about icon_rolleyes.gif

    Who told you I was a farmer?

    I know it is hard for you to come to grips with the fact, that some one you don't like, because of their religion, may just be smarter than you.

    I'm not a farmer, but farmers are smarter than you.

    Use what little brains you have, and work out what my profession is.

    Jack ass icon_rolleyes.gif

    Mike
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Oct 13, 2008 11:35 PM GMT
    Pattison saidI am out, and a professional.


    Who do you think you're kidding icon_rolleyes.gif

    You forgot you're the only one in the village icon_rolleyes.gif
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Oct 13, 2008 11:44 PM GMT
    And one more thing Patticakes, what happened to " I'm not interested in what you have to say, until you get verified" icon_question.gif
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    Oct 13, 2008 11:45 PM GMT
    TylerSF said
    onejock saidtry facebook


    Facebook is turning into a Myspace thing ! ITS kinda Blah !! icon_rolleyes.gif


    What self respecting professional would want to be on FaceBook icon_question.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 14, 2008 12:14 PM GMT
    MikePhil saidAnd one more thing Patticakes, what happened to " I'm not interested in what you have to say, until you get verified" icon_question.gif


    Oh since One is not only verified but also a supporter of this wonderful men's sports club. One dose not feel such things apply to I.

    Yet you still follow one around, and have never stopped no matter how much one has asked. Name calling too, how christian of you. Farmers like you are blue collar, laborers. Professionals like myself, are white collar.

    Once again. You have still ignored Ones request not to follow One Yet you still do too insight your hate towards One Sorry your Christain loving joy:lolicon_smile.gif. Only a few weeks ago, you popped into a thread that was set up by caslon to insight hate towards One, just because I looked at his profile, (as you come to look at mine yesterday.) Just so you could lay in the boots, and insight hate. But you have never been able to hurt one, no matter how much you have tried. nor are you yet verified, or even a supporter!

    You seem to have a lot of peeves. You should try the manly thing, and carry em yourself, and not expect others to. They are yours, and I for One am not responsible for them. It seems to peeve you that One refers to oneself as One. But since you are a person without breeding, and only a blue collar worker. One does not expect you to understand these things.


    Did I miss you. Didn't even notice you were missing!
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    Oct 14, 2008 1:34 PM GMT
    Pattison said
    MikePhil saidAnd one more thing Patticakes, what happened to " I'm not interested in what you have to say, until you get verified" icon_question.gif


    Oh since One is not only verified but also a supporter of this wonderful men's sports club. One dose not feel such things apply to I. icon_rolleyes.gif OK Pat, read every single word that I write and then read it again. It was you (ONE) and not I (ME) that said over and over again, that you (ONE) have no interest in what I (ME) have to say, until I (ME) get verified (and now it looks like I (ME) have to be a supporter also :lolicon_smile.gif and yet you always take an interest in my posts icon_rolleyes.gif

    Yet you still follow one around, I (ME) was here first and you (ONE) replied to me. It's not that hard to work it out. Just have a read of the thread again. I'm sure if you read it enough times it will all come to you. You don't have to be a professional like me to work it out. and have never stopped no matter how much one has asked. That could be because you speak a different langue icon_confused.gif Just a thought icon_idea.gif Name calling too, how christian of you. Oh, now Pat we all know it was you (ONE) that started that, and you have called me much worse than I (ME) have called you (ONE) Farmers like you are blue collar, laborers. Once again I'm (ME) not a farmer, I'm (ME) not American, and I'm (ME) not British. Not that there is anything wrong with any of those, but the simple fact is I'm (ME) not. Professionals like myself, are white collar. It needs a wash icon_rolleyes.gif

    Once again. You have still ignored Ones request not to follow One Yet you still do too insight your hate towards One Don't you mean ONES (you) hate towards Catholics icon_question.gif Sorry your Christain loving joy:lolicon_smile.gif. Only a few weeks ago, you popped into a thread that was set up by caslon to insight hate towards One, just because I looked at his profile, (as you come to look at mine yesterday.) Just so you could lay in the boots, and insight hate. I (ME) pop in regularly just to see if you have added anymore bullshit to your profile icon_wink.gif But you have never been able to hurt one, no matter how much you have tried. nor are you yet verified, or even a supporter! You waffle on and on about what man does with his money on your profile, rather than give it to the homeless or what ever. So just lets put it like this, I (ME) would rather give my supporter fee to the homeless, rather than pay for a little star in the corner of my profile, as you (ONE) did. You're full of it Pat icon_rolleyes.gif No offence RJ.

    You seem to have a lot of peeves. You should try the manly thing, and carry em yourself, and not expect others to. They are yours, and I for One am not responsible for them. It seems to peeve you that One refers to oneself as One. No Pat I just find it comical icon_lol.gif But since you are a person without breeding, and only a blue collar worker. One does not expect you to understand these things. I (ME) know it must be hard for you (ONE) when a creative professional like myself icon_cool.gif comes along. The jealousy sets in and the resentment. But don't worry Pat, I'll (ME) still reply to you (ONE) I'm (ME) not a snob icon_wink.gif


    Did I miss you. Didn't even notice you were missing! I (ME) was missing icon_question.gif That's news to me. You (ONE) must have been looking, how would you know I (ME) was missing or not unless you (ONE) were looking icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 14, 2008 2:34 PM GMT
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    MikePhil saidAnd one more thing Patticakes, what happened to " I'm not interested in what you have to say, until you get verified" icon_question.gif


    Oh since One is not only verified but also a supporter of this wonderful men's sports club. One dose not feel such things apply to I.

    Yet you still follow one around, and have never stopped no matter how much one has asked. Name calling too, how christian of you. Farmers like you are blue collar, laborers. Professionals like myself, are white collar.

    Once again. You have still ignored Ones request not to follow One Yet you still do too insight your hate towards One Sorry your Christain loving joy:lolicon_smile.gif. Only a few weeks ago, you popped into a thread that was set up by caslon to insight hate towards One, just because I looked at his profile, (as you come to look at mine yesterday.) Just so you could lay in the boots, and insight hate. But you have never been able to hurt one, no matter how much you have tried. nor are you yet verified, or even a supporter!

    You seem to have a lot of peeves. You should try the manly thing, and carry em yourself, and not expect others to. They are yours, and I for One am not responsible for them. It seems to peeve you that One refers to oneself as One. But since you are a person without breeding, and only a blue collar worker. One does not expect you to understand these things.


    Did I miss you. Didn't even notice you were missing!


    Oh you poor wee boy. One has no troubles ignoring you, but it is you whom has continually followed One to spread your love and joy icon_rolleyes.gif

    You have never taken the hint One is not interested in you, and please don't talk to One until you become verified. But that still does not give you the right too stalk to insight hate, because some-one dose not have the same view as you.

    I am verified, and since you pulled Ones profile up yesterday you know One is a supporter too. I had not responded to you for some time. But since you seek one out, stalk even. Just to insight your hate, sorry spread your love and joy. and still you are not verified nor a supporter of this wonderful men's Sports club.

    All One did was make a comment to a post. One did not seek you out to attack you, as you do continually to I!

    You truly do have many issues. do the manly thing and deal with them, they belong to you, and I am not responsible for them.

    Oh the joys of being a professional. Not only do you have the money to donate to charity, and I give about two grand a year away to things like Community Aide abroad, and another,as well being able to still afford a stare on Ones profile, and in tha,t I support the gay community too.

    It has to do with why some people only want to rent condos to professionals, and not blue color workers. We have the disposable income.

    Not being a snob does not give you the right too stalk.

    Oh you say you are not a snob, as if being a snob is a bad thing.

    Oh Mike One has never really called you names. I once talked about the IRA, and you turned that into One calling you an IRA member, and so on. It was you who made the fist punch too.

    Now in my first reply to you here. There was no hate, or name calling to you. But in your reply to I. It was full of it, as always!!!!!

    No matter how much one has asked you to stop, you never have. A report of abuse needs to be submitted about you mate!
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    Oct 14, 2008 2:47 PM GMT
    MikePhil said
    I'm not a farmer, but farmers are smarter than you.
    Mike


    You said that to someone else, not to me, but allow me to make an observation. Farmers are smarter than a LOT of us.

    I've lived on US farms and worked with farmers. To paraphrase Will Rogers, I never met a farmer I didn't like.

    Aside from having the most commendable work ethic, and living a simple lifestyle free of self-indulgent excesses, the men & women who work on farms & ranches are no less clever, bright & resourceful than anyone I've ever met in the trendy offices of some glass skyscraper.

    I've been alongside these people, trying to solve some crisis a mile out in the middle of a field, maybe during 100-degree heat, maybe during a blinding snowstorm. And the inventiveness and creative thought processes are a marvel to behold, that make coming up with some paper "proposal" for your boss back in the office seem like an elementary school exercise.

    And all without the life-and-death urgency of facing below-zero temps, having to improvise tools & equipment you don't have, physically stressing your body to the maximum, while still trying to think clearly. (I might add this also describes the brave men & women who serve their countries in military uniform)

    Way back in 1984 and 85 I judged some high school science fairs, in the remote US Upper Midwest. Areas that the US Census Bureau designates as "Frontier" because some counties have a population density of less than 6 persons per square mile.

    And some of the booths I judged featured personal computers, used to track the farm land use, or cattle and dairy herds; in 1984! And these kids showed me computer graphs portraying the daily milk output of each cow, and the fat content, compared to the feed consumption, etc, etc.

    I questioned them closely, and they really knew what the hell they were talking about, and the relevance of this information to better herd management. And I myself had only gotten my own first home computer a year before.

    Humans are remarkable creatures, and we are remarkable wherever we are planted, and at whatever it is we do. Professional versus non-professional are artificial distinctions. I know smart men and women when I meet them, regardless of their credentials.

    And I also know decent people, smart or otherwise, that our US Constitution says are my equals, despite social discrimination. I really have no use, and no interest, in divisions that separate me from other people. Be my friend, and I will be yours.
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    Red_Vespa said
    MikePhil said
    I'm not a farmer, but farmers are smarter than you.
    Mike


    You said that to someone else, not to me, but allow me to make an observation. Farmers are smarter than a LOT of us.

    I've lived on US farms and worked with farmers. To paraphrase Will Rogers, I never met a farmer I didn't like.

    Aside from having the most commendable work ethic, and living a simple lifestyle free of self-indulgent excesses, the men & women who work on farms & ranches are no less clever, bright & resourceful as anyone I've ever met in the trendy offices of some glass skyscraper.

    I've been alongside these people, trying to solve some crisis a mile out in the middle of a field, maybe during 100-degree heat, maybe during a blinding snowstorm. And the inventiveness and creative thought processes are a marvel to behold, that make coming up with some paper "proposal" for your boss back in the office seem like an elementary school exercise.

    And all without the life-and-death urgency of facing below-zero temps, having to improvise tools & equipment you don't have, physically stressing your body to the maximum, while still trying to think clearly. (I might add this also describes the brave men & women who serve their countries in military uniform)

    Way back in 1984 and 85 I judged some high school science fairs, in the remote US Upper Midwest. Areas that the US Census Bureau designates as "Frontier" because some counties have a population density of less than 6 persons per square mile.

    And some of the booths I judged featured personal computers, used to track the farm land use, or cattle and dairy herds; in 1984! And these kids showed me computer graphs portraying the daily milk output of each cow, and the fat content, compared to the feed consumption, etc, etc.

    I questioned them closely, and they really knew what the hell they were talking about, and the relevance of this information to better herd management. And I myself had only gotten my own first home computer a year before.

    Humans are remarkable creatures, and we are remarkable wherever we are planted, and at whatever it is we do. Professional versus non-professional are artificial distinctions. I know smart men and women when I see them, regardless of their credentials.

    And I also know decent people, smart or otherwise, that our US Constitution says are my equals, despite social discrimination. I really have no use, and no interest, in divisions that separate me from other people. Be my friend, and I will be yours.


    Oh as One has stayted here many times. I started my life off as a farmer, and the work ethic is still with me today. So are many things from the land, as they were embedded in to me.

    But my point was. farmers are blue collar workers. My family have always been large land owners down here in oz; always. But they are not professionals, as they are blue color workers, no matter how much land and money they may have. One did not say this as if it was a bad thing.

    Mikephil has talk about being attack by a heffa, and the farm he works and lives, now his not a farmer?

    But mind you before that in another post he talked about how it pissed him off, when people in the condo he lived, did not turn off the treadmill, in the gym of his condo he lives. I have asked of him in the past, how many farms in ireland have condos on em, but never got a reply.
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    Oct 14, 2008 3:15 PM GMT
    MikePhil said
    Pattison said
    MikePhil said
    Red_Vespa said
    MikePhil said
    I understood your sarcasm, and replied with silliness. Hope you weren't annoyed.


    No Red, you did not annoy me.

    I just had one or two experiences in the past that made me very angry.

    Anyway, from one professional to another, it's nice to know you think like that icon_smile.gif

    Mike


    You don't have to worry about it. farmers come under the banner of farmers, not professionals.

    I myself stopped being a man of the land, a farmer, to become a professional! many members of my family are wealthy land owners, yet they still are not professionals.



    Pattison, as always you haven't a clue what you are talking about icon_rolleyes.gif

    Who told you I was a farmer?

    I know it is hard for you to come to grips with the fact, that some one you don't like, because of their religion, may just be smarter than you.

    I'm not a farmer, but farmers are smarter than you.

    Use what little brains you have, and work out what my profession is.

    Jack ass icon_rolleyes.gif

    Mike


    But Mike it is you whom stated here at RJ, you was a farmer, and started a thread about the day you was attacked by a heifer.

    Oh If you need to justify one does not like you because of your religion. But in fact it has nothing to do with it.

    It was you who first contacted I, with word of threats, when One talked about One was born. It was you who initiated the hate, and you have never stopped.

    Yes One had ones soul raped by the catholic Church, when One was a wee lad. But when One talks about this, you have always taken it as a personal attack, even when it was never pointed at you.

    My husband number one of over 15 years is a Catholic too.
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    Oct 14, 2008 3:55 PM GMT
    Geez, I hate to interrupt this lovefest with a post that's actually ON topic but ...

    Try www.linkedin.com. It's a site that I frequently use for contacting and staying in touch with other professionals (gay and straight).
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    Oct 14, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    It seems that this discussion has digressed quite a bit over the last few posts. Thanks to those who have provided the links to the various sites. They have been quite helpful.

    I didn’t realize how subjective the term “professional” is otherwise I would have used another term to avoid the bickering that has occurred over the term. I believe my definition of professional is the following as cited from Wikipedia:

    "A professional can be either a person in a profession (certain types of skilled work requiring formal training/education) or in sports (a sportsman/sportwoman doing sports for payment)."

    But, in general, there is no black and white distinction in my mind of what a professional is. I would be more than happy to network with a farmer or any other hard working and dedicated individual. Please do not waste your time trying to destroy each other. It will just hurt you more in the end
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    Oct 14, 2008 5:10 PM GMT
    PSCalif saidGeez, I hate to interrupt this lovefest with a post that's actually ON topic but ...

    Try www.linkedin.com. It's a site that I frequently use for contacting and staying in touch with other professionals (gay and straight). and farmers icon_lol.gif