Obama takes DOUBLE-DIGIT lead over McCain

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    Oct 13, 2008 9:16 PM GMT
    John McCain and his vice presidential running mate, Sarah Palin, have introduced a kinder, gentler campaign against Barack Obama as the Republican duo has slipped farther behind in the polls with only three weeks left until Election Day.

    The latest Washington Post/ABC News poll indicates that Obama is pulling away from McCain, establishing a 10-point lead in the race for the White House by a commanding 53 percent to 43 percent.

    McCain had tried to overcome sliding poll numbers by aggressively attacking the Illinois senator, but the Washington Post/ABC News poll indicates that the pit-bull style may have worked against McCain and Palin.

    It found that 59 percent accused McCain of negative campaigning, while 35 percent said McCain is addressing the issues.

    Republicans are showing signs of worry about the state of the presidential race. Conservative Republican William Kristol wrote in The New York Times that the McCain campaign is "close to being out-and-out dysfunctional. If the race continues over the next three weeks to be a conventional one, McCain is doomed," Kristol said.

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    McCain committed political suicide selecting Palin and morphing himself into a Republican extremist full of crap.

    OBAMA-BIDEN 08

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  • GQjock

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    Oct 13, 2008 9:22 PM GMT
    Like we NEED another republican in the White House right Now???
  • Koaa2

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    Oct 13, 2008 10:18 PM GMT
    3 weeks tomorrow, can't wait until it is over, but until than, need to urge all the voters we can, to get out and vote, especially in those swing states.
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    Oct 14, 2008 12:25 AM GMT
    Interesting coincidence, these reports of clandestine missile strikes in Pakistan the last few days. Maybe W is (finally) getting serious about flushing Bin Laden for the "October Surprise." If he can produce a body, along with a market rally... hmmm.
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    Oct 14, 2008 3:20 AM GMT
    I think mindgarden's observation is on point. If such an "October surprise" were to occur, my fear is that the American people probably wouldn't connect the dots.
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    Oct 14, 2008 3:24 AM GMT
    the october surprise has been a major fear for a lot of people... but the problem is, absentee has already started... if its going to happen, its going to happen this week... and at this point, a market rally unheard of in American history, a major attack on American soil, and bin laden being caught would all have to happen in the next 14 days (in that order or with the rally at the end) for the re-pubs to get in... or lots of voters that lie in polls
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    Oct 14, 2008 3:28 AM GMT
    i'm a democrat - but look, election day is weeks away. there are going to be polls published more often than not between now and then.

    do we really need to scream updates every time the numbers change? besides, the only number that counts is 270 electoral votes, and we either get that on election night or the next morning.
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    Oct 14, 2008 4:06 AM GMT
    Here are some interesting tidbits:

    1) Bill Kristol wants McCain to fire his campaign staff with only 3 weeks to go to the election.

    2) Charlie Crist, the Repug Governor of Florida, couldn't go with McCain to a campaign rally in Florida this weekend because Crist had to go to Disney World.

    3) David Frum, the adolescent NeoCon former Bush speech writer said today on Rachel Maddow's show that Democrats would be controlling the Presidency and increasing their numbers in Congress.

    4) They're beginning to realize that there's a landslide coming; it is the American people who got them on the run.

    -> Don't let up, keep the pressure up !!!

    Those living in Ohio and Florida: keep your guard up for funny business at the polls on election day: if the Republicans are going try to steal the election - it'll be in one or both of those states, they CAN NOT win the election without either one of those states.

    Let's take the country back from these criminal incompetents; there's too much at stake.

    B787

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    Oct 14, 2008 4:19 AM GMT
    onejock saidi'm a democrat - but look, election day is weeks away. there are going to be polls published more often than not between now and then..


    Exactly. I am sure McCain will make some inroads into that lead. I wish the election was tomorrow, because tomorrow it would indeed be an Obama landslide.

    But, there is still too much time.

    I got my Absentee ballot yesterday, as did 100,000s of people in the Bay Area. So, perhaps, the current numbers will be reflected in the Absentee ballots submitted.

    It's too early to crow.....much too early.

    So, the October Surprise is Bin Laden's scalp? Even if that happened, it would be too little too late.....that could have been taken care of for much less $$$ and loss of life instead of invading Iraq on a pretext.

    John
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    Oct 14, 2008 5:25 AM GMT
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    Oct 14, 2008 5:45 AM GMT
    Re: the "October Surprise"...I really do think that the American public is both smart enough to see through that and fed up enough for it not to matter.

    "Ya got bin Laden seven years and a month later? That's great for national security! Now, how secure is my job or my mortgage or my investments?"

    Elections have cycles. We're leaving a Republican age for a Democrat one. Then in 4-6 years, it will change again depending on how the Dems do and who the Republicans present in 2012.
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    Oct 14, 2008 5:53 AM GMT
    I think Steve Schmidt (McCain's Rovian campaign manager) feels this guy represents a pivotal constituency to attract for his "fear and loathing" plan:

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    And it looks like the campaign has just about sewn up that segment. Bravo to him. Such a fine job he is doing for McCain and the country.

    In fact, from Lee Atwater, Roger Ailes, Carl Rove, and now Schmidt, I think all these guys can sleep well knowing what they've contributed to political discourse in this country: ignorance, fear, anger, hate, and division.

    Too bad the country seems to have other things to worry about and is going leave them in the gutter along with the rabid constituency they've worked to hard to cultivate.

    In a landslide.

    To echo Michelle Obama, I'm feeling good about my country for the first time in a long while.
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    Oct 14, 2008 6:15 AM GMT
    Caution!!

    Democrats have a history of staying home on election day even though they have a greater number of registered voters than Republicans. Republicans have a better track record for getting out their voters on election day.

    We just watched a report on Al Jazeera news last night from a different pollster that only had Obama leading by 4%

    Becoming overconfident or complacent at this time will only lower Obamas numbers in the long run because there are people out there that will not trouble themselves to vote if they think he has already won.
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    Oct 14, 2008 6:21 AM GMT
    Well, it could be true. But all that means is that with control of both congress and the white house, and no kind of restraint, the left will fuck things up so much that there will be another extreme right wing landslide in four years.
    It would be nice if there was some sort of rational middle to all of this.
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    Oct 14, 2008 6:46 AM GMT
    There's tons of polls, and they will always be all over the map.

    If you ask why that is so, there is actually a range of very unsurprising answers, almost all having to do with the fact that nobody "certifies" polls. You and I can become pollsters, and the press will lap our crap up. Problem is, you really need to know your statistics to do a poll that means anything, and there are lamentably few people doing polls that know the first thing about what they are doing. It's like how the Bush administration staffed the justice department.

    So the question is: which polls have people behind them who actually understand statistics?

    See http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/03/frequently-asked-questions-last-revised.html for someone who knows what they are talking about on this topic, and has a track record of success.

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    Oct 14, 2008 7:19 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidWell, it could be true. But all that means is that with control of both congress and the white house, and no kind of restraint, the left will fuck things up so much that there will be another extreme right wing landslide in four years.
    It would be nice if there was some sort of rational middle to all of this.


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    Oct 14, 2008 1:01 PM GMT
    And don't you just love how the hockey mom was such a huge success over the weekend when she dropped that puck. They booed so loud you could hardly hear the announcer.

    I bet that the selection of Post Turtle is one of their biggest regrets.
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    Oct 14, 2008 1:15 PM GMT
    The Sarah Palin phenomenon is an interesting social experiment. People complain about the "business as usual Washington beltway" but if the polls are correct, it's an endorsement of the system.

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    Oct 14, 2008 2:39 PM GMT
    Well clearly Obama is in the cat birds seat at this moment, but I think he needs to proceed with a well formulated approach and remain calm. "Protecting his lead" isn't a strategy or getting overconfident..which I think he isn't, would be a mistake. I think he will be fine.
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    Oct 14, 2008 3:02 PM GMT
    It looks increasingly like an Obama win in 3 weeks. Only a couple of things could derail that eventuality. Voters fear of an economic meltdown is replaced by cautious optimism about the future, and the McCain campaign's constant targetting of Obama's lack of experience swings some independent voters over to the GOP.

    I personally think McCain has not run a very effective campaign. He was not himself. The "maverick" was replaced with Bush Lite. He tried to pander to the Christian right too much. I guess that is known as "energizing your base" but at what cost? I am sure it brought back bad memories of the last 8 years with a born-again Christian in the White House.

    Furthermore, his record of less regulation for Wall Street was out of touch with what was happening with the credit crunch. If the banking crisis had happened after November 4th the US election may have had a very different result.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 14, 2008 3:26 PM GMT
    This race is going to be EXTREMELY close. No one should get too comfortable based on the polls. They have been wrong many times before.
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    Oct 14, 2008 3:30 PM GMT
    I live in Virginia. I'm going to cry for joy if he takes my state away from the Republicans (crossing fingers and doing a good-luck dance) icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 14, 2008 3:48 PM GMT
    Hee hee...I read this as "Obama takes DOUBLE-DILDO!" icon_twisted.gif Freud has a grasp on me today!
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    Oct 14, 2008 4:11 PM GMT
    John43620 saidThe Sarah Palin phenomenon is an interesting social experiment. People complain about the "business as usual Washington beltway" but if the polls are correct, it's an endorsement of the system.

    No, it's an indictment of stupidity.