Young Autistic Gay Man Burned Alive at Party.

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    Mar 21, 2013 10:17 PM GMT
    According to a report in the Daily Mail newspaper, a young Gay teenager was smothered with oil and set alight while hosting his 18th birthday party. He died a short while later.

    The offender, pleaded manslaughter and received a paltry 42 month jail term for the crime, after the judge believed that assult was a prank gone wrong. However, evidence has shown that the victim was set alight deliberately, and had the words "Gay Boy" penned on his forehead.

    It looks to me that not only homophobia is still rife here in the UK, but even the Judiciary system seems to turn a blind eye.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297053/Yob-killed-autistic-teenager-setting-18th-birthday-party-teasing-gay.html
  • TheBizMan

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    Mar 22, 2013 12:04 AM GMT
    Britain is very lax on their prison sentences.
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    Mar 22, 2013 12:28 AM GMT
    Jeez, what a horrible story. That poor kid.
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    Mar 22, 2013 12:36 AM GMT
    I have to say that, disgraceful as the convicted man's conduct toward the victim was, there does not appear to have been any intention to cause the victim very serious (i.e. life threatening) harm. The youth almost certainly had no clue that tanning oil was an accelerant (I didn't) and it does not appear the tanning oil was applied for that purpose.

    In no way am I defending the crime, which was appalling, but it is important that the punishment should fit the crime.

    P.S. It is pretty galling to read this reported in the Daily Mail, which has probably done more to promote homophobia and intolerance of minorities generally, than any other British newspaper.
  • Timbales

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    Mar 22, 2013 12:40 AM GMT
    so a 19 year old man is 'just a lad who got out of hand'?
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    Mar 22, 2013 12:53 AM GMT
    That is horrifying.
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    Mar 22, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidI have to say that, disgraceful as the convicted man's conduct toward the victim was, there does not appear to have been any intention to cause the victim very serious (i.e. life threatening) harm. The youth almost certainly had no clue that tanning oil was an accelerant (I didn't) and it does not appear the tanning oil was applied for that purpose.


    Granted that the perpetrator was unaware that the oil was an accelerant (although it should have been a warning of this on the label) but holding a live flame to the victim's crotch (testicle?) seem to have been done deliberately to entertain his mates to the cost of the victim's welfare.

    Oil or no oil, who would even think of such an act and deem it just a prank? Either the perpetrator knew exactly what he was doing (holding a flame to bare skin - and ouch! Yes, it's hot!) or he was too crushingly stupid to realise the seriousness of his prank.

    In my opinion, he should have received a stiffer jail term.
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    Mar 22, 2013 5:24 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidI have to say that, disgraceful as the convicted man's conduct toward the victim was, there does not appear to have been any intention to cause the victim very serious (i.e. life threatening) harm. The youth almost certainly had no clue that tanning oil was an accelerant (I didn't) and it does not appear the tanning oil was applied for that purpose.

    In no way am I defending the crime, which was appalling, but it is important that the punishment should fit the crime.

    P.S. It is pretty galling to read this reported in the Daily Mail, which has probably done more to promote homophobia and intolerance of minorities generally, than any other British newspaper.


    Although... in regards to the bolded text:

    "After 2am, a partygoer took the Calypso tanning oil from Mr Simpson’s bedroom and, as it was poured over him, others chanted: ‘Light it, light it.’



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    Mar 22, 2013 5:34 PM GMT
    TheBizMan saidBritain is very lax on their prison sentences.


    Isn't it fairly standard in Europe to punish without removing a person totally from society in hopes they become a productive member again?
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    Mar 27, 2013 2:19 AM GMT
    Bumping the older thread. (although, due to the late Lucy Meadows, I wouldn't encourage giving the Daily Mail any more clicks).

    3.5 years seems a little slim (young adult defendant was old enough to know better), but if the UK is cool with lax punishments, and this is no different than similar death-by-ignorant-cruelty cases, so be it.
  • Suetonius

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    Mar 27, 2013 2:50 AM GMT
    ATC84 said
    TheBizMan saidBritain is very lax on their prison sentences.


    Isn't it fairly standard in Europe to punish without removing a person totally from society in hopes they become a productive member again?

    Yes - that is the insanity of european judicial systems today . If you want to murder someone, best bet is to get him to Sweden - might just get 12 years. England used to have a good punishment for murder - hanging - no ifs, ands or buts - you intentionally kill someone and you were hanged -, and it was carried out rather swiftly. The good old days, when there actually was some justice.

    If this particular crime happened in California - unless there were a lot of bleeding hearts on the jury, the guy probably would have been convicted of 2nd degree murder - and gotten 15 years to life.
  • Menergy_1

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    Mar 27, 2013 1:48 PM GMT
    back to the birthday scene involved -- it smells reminiscent of "Lord of the Flies" in many ways....to me.
  • hdurdinr

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    Mar 27, 2013 2:22 PM GMT
    God, that's horrific. The poor boy.
    I love how the Daily Mail is on it's moral high-horse about this after practically baying for the blood of poor Lucy Medows who committed suicide as a result of all the public humiliation she suffered.
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    Mar 27, 2013 4:24 PM GMT
    Suetonius said England used to have a good punishment for murder - hanging - no ifs, ands or buts - you intentionally kill someone and you were hanged -, and it was carried out rather swiftly. The good old days, when there actually was some justice.


    Use of the death penalty in England was actually pretty rare in the 20th century, especially leading up to the abolition of the death penalty in 1964, but we still got it wrong occasionally. In 1950, Timothy Evans was hanged for a murder to which serial killer John Christie later confessed.

    By 1984 (20 years after the abolition of the death penalty) there were eleven victims of homicide per million population in England and Wales, making the risk of being a murder victim roughly 25 per cent lower than it was a century before (when use of the death penalty was relatively common).