Paling Around with Terrorists

  • GQjock

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    Oct 14, 2008 12:05 AM GMT
    Sara Palin aka Caribou Barbie has been out on the stump trying to make the connection between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers a former member of the Weathermen Underground
    While doing that she has said that Obama is "Paling around with terrorists"
    (Notice the plural that she uses)

    But should she be looking closer to home?


    Like her husband Todd?
    Mr Todd Palin has been a member of the AIP The Alaska Independence Party
    from 1995 to 2002

    A Party that was founded by a Mr Joe Vogler ... a man who was killed when a transaction for PLASTIC EXPLOSIVES went bad!!!
    "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." - Joe Vogler, founder of the Alaskan Independence Party

    Who's REALLY been paling around with terrorists???

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    Oct 18, 2008 1:15 AM GMT
    GQ --- I think you raise a good point !!! I think Obama should be posing the question as to why Palin thinks she can be throwing stones with regard to a subject so close to home, with her husbands associations just 6 years ago, not 40 as with Mr Ayers. and what was ms palins part in her husbands association with the secessionist "terrorists" This woman is a real nut !!! the more that comes out the more she looks just plain stupid !!!
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    Oct 18, 2008 1:59 PM GMT
    GQ, something interesting about the Ayers story - the comment McCain and Palin (and various talking heads) keep repeating is that Ayers said "after 9/11" that he wished he had "bombed more."

    in fact, Ayers had a memoir coming out at the time and had given some interviews. In one he said that the Weather Underground might have done some good, that maybe they didn't bomb 'enough'. The interview was published after 9/11 (I believe on 9/15) but the words were from a couple of weeks earlier, and had nothing to do with 9/11. Also, specifically in reference to 9/11, Ayers said at the time, "Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response."

    Thursday night McCain was on Letterman, as many will have seen - making his apologetic return. Anyway, DL was very direct in his questioning, moreso than most interviewers in the news media.

    He said to McCain, 'But you were a friend of G. Gordon Liddy, weren't you?"

    McCain was a bit taken aback, but said, "He paid his debt to society" or something to that effect. Dave said, but you are friends, aren't you?

    In the case of Ayers and Dorn, by the way, they were never prosecuted (though they turned themselves in) = apparently due to the FBI's illegal surveillance. In any case, they did turn themselves in, and Ayers has actually made many statements of apology over the years.

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    Oct 18, 2008 2:01 PM GMT
    BTW, I heard an interview with an editor from the Anchorage Daily News who said that "half the young guys" in Alaska have been part of one of those fringe groups at some point (or words to that effect) and that in AK, it's not considered strange at all.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 18, 2008 5:42 PM GMT
    I am not and Obama is not debating whether or not Ayers paid his debt to society
    That is irrelevant to the case
    Barack Obama is not affiliated with Mr Ayers ... period
    He's not his assoc... or his friend

    NOW ... if Michelle Obama had been listed with joined or was a member of a secessionist group ... no matter how long ago that was do you THINK
    whether or not it was a goofy "fringe" group would matter or not?

    The double standard btw what republicans can do and what democrats can do is OUTSTANDING
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    Oct 18, 2008 11:27 PM GMT
    GQ, I grant you that there is no reason to think that BHO and W Ayers are friends, associates or anything more than acquaintances. (And let it be said that I'm sure that at sometime in my career and social life I've been to the home of someone who has some dirty secret or will turn up part of a scandal someday - and it ain't my fault!)

    But I do think who Ayers actually is today IS part of the equation - at least as a news story. He's NOT a terrorist, but an upright, downright, hard-working tax-paying citizen. Ray Suarez of PBS said in an interview the other day that in Chicago he's so mainstream people are scratching their heads over this whole "scandal" of the "who knew Bill Ayers and when?"

    It's weirdly on a par with the Todd Palin episode of his involvement with the secessionist group. Who cares? There are people on Staten Island who have been trying to secede from NYC for decades - and people in NYC (many) who want to secede from NY state (at least to the degree of proving their point about NYC "supporting" the state with tax $ that never come back.

    Then there are those secessionists in Texas ...

    IMO the Obama "scandals of the week" are just comfort food for the folks who don't want him, no matter what. They will believe anything (even after it's disproved), and cheer Sarah P when she asks for the nth time for "an explanation." They don't want to trust him because ... they don't want to trust him.

    Anyway, it's all distraction from the one real scandal that should be the focus of this election: the malpractice (to put it politely) of the current administration.

    And there I know we agree!
  • shyguysport

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    Oct 19, 2008 5:26 AM GMT
    Facts are tricky things. Ayers actually said he wish he had dome more - not bombed more. The reference to "done more" was to the entirety of the whole anti-war movement.
    Don't get me wrong, what he did was beyond the pale, but let's get the facts right.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 19, 2008 12:30 PM GMT
    Cowboyo .... Yes it is a distraction
    and an excuse all at the sametime
    a distraction away from the Real problems that we face here in this country
    and an excuse for the people who can't or won't say the real reason they don't want to vote for Barack

    As far as Staten Island trying to secede from NY doesn't quite make Alaska tryin to leave the US
    The point I was trying to make was that
    the Ayers Non issue has received How much airtime?
    and the fact that the partner of the Vice Presidential candidate had joined a group for almost 10 years that wants to secede from the US
    Does that not need a question or two No Matter How trivial the answer might be
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    Oct 20, 2008 3:16 AM GMT
    And it's a good point, GQ.

    The media aside (if that's possible) I perceive the the BHO campaign has taken a position of pretty much staying above non-policy aspects of the opposition. And I think that's been a wise choice, quite instrumental in the perception of BHO as calm, steady, confidence-inspiring. That's the thing he needed to demonstrate to the country: maturity, thought process, seriousness. He and the campaign have been virtually silent about all the personal blather, especially in comparison to the opposition, who have seemed (to me, anyway) to grow steadily more complaining, whiny and desperate, or at least to show that face. Wednesday night's debate brought us a McCain barely recognizable next to the McCain of a few years ago. He doesn't sit well in a defensive position, clearly.

    The Obama campaign chose to respond to all innuendo and loaded questions via the website, and to stay on message elsewhere. It's been the right tactic for the time. Meanwhile, the Rovian hymns from the other side have not worked this go round. That said, if McC/P gets elected, we could have one of those post-election hangovers that lasts 4 years.

    RE: SP and husband Todd, I have some friends who think she is destined to be a great GOP power (and they are not republicans.) I guess it's possible, but I think she will ultimately reveal herself to be further on the fringe for most republicans, save the far right. She may be popular (she's certainly got a lot of gifts), but I think her politics - when they are shown in full light - will be pretty far out for most.