"Unfit for work": The startling rise of disability in the US

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    Mar 23, 2013 2:17 PM GMT
    A bit frightening and obviously unsustainable... (and significantly underestimating the level of unemployment in the US)

    http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

    In Hale County, Alabama, 1 in 4 working-age adults is on disability. On the day government checks come in every month, banks stay open late, Main Street fills up with cars, and anybody looking to unload an old TV or armchair has a yard sale.
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    Mar 23, 2013 2:56 PM GMT
    Since most gays support Obama, this should be no surprise. As usual, the Socialists at NPR skew the facts to support their hero, Obama.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/first-term-americans-collecting-disability-increased-1385418-now-1-each-13-full-time

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-03-03/news/bs-ed-ehrlich-ssdi-20130303_1_ssdi-obama-administration-entitlement

    http://news.investors.com/business/042012-608418-ssdi-disability-rolls-skyrocket-under-obama.htm?p=full

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/06/04/add-disability-to-obamas-anti-jobs-policies/



  • Medjai

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    Mar 23, 2013 3:01 PM GMT
    Anything for a handout. I know people who are papapalegics, and still insist on having a job with no government aid, because they are better than that.
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    Mar 23, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    I liked your second link, mx; it pointed out the aging boomers and a couple of other reasonable causes at the same time it pointed out fraud taking place. It also, in that article, looks like the trouble has been pinpointed and now recommendations are being made.

    Obviously a lot of tightening up needs to be done, and I'd be tempted to start with the doctors that are documenting that some of these people are disabled, assuming you need a doctor's forms filled out/letter etc to claim disability.
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    Mar 23, 2013 3:20 PM GMT

    Instead of guessing you should read the articles, SB.
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    Mar 23, 2013 6:22 PM GMT
    As the article pointed out, the main cause is Clinton's welfare reform. People substitute into Disability instead.

    Let's face it. There are people who are just too lazy to work. Either you give them a welfare check or they starve to death. Compared to other welfare schemes, Disability Insurance is the worst scheme ever because it actually DISCOURAGES recipients from working.
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    Mar 23, 2013 6:23 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidA bit frightening and obviously unsustainable... (and significantly underestimating the level of unemployment in the US)

    http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

    In Hale County, Alabama, 1 in 4 working-age adults is on disability. On the day government checks come in every month, banks stay open late, Main Street fills up with cars, and anybody looking to unload an old TV or armchair has a yard sale.






    Social security would not be in trouble as a retirement system had it not been changed into an entitlement system for other issues.

    Social Security pays a good part of my friend's paycheck since the Gov provides a Spanish interpreter ( my friend's job) for "disabled" immigrants that are on disability benefits.
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    Mar 23, 2013 7:59 PM GMT
    This is a Southern culture thing that existed waaay before Obama or Bush or Clinton took office. From speaking with a friend that grew up in the South, being on disability is a bizarre badge of honor. It's basically viewed as a ticket to early retirement. It's probably second to winning the lottery.
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    Mar 23, 2013 8:01 PM GMT
    xrichx saidThis is a Southern culture thing that existed waaay before Obama or Bush or Clinton took office. From speaking with a friend that grew up in the South, being on disability is a bizarre badge of honor. It's basically viewed as a ticket to early retirement. It's probably second to winning the lottery.


    I am sorry, but it is not just the south - and it is not all southerners that feel this way. Every region of the US has their own version of people who try to play the system to get everything they can.

    Cost of living and incomes in the south are so low that getting a disability check is about what they would make in regular salaries. In other parts of the states, that wouldn't work because the cost of living is higher, so they look for other ways to see benefits.

    It is what it is.
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    Mar 23, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
    meninlove said I liked your second link, mx; it pointed out the aging boomers and a couple of other reasonable causes at the same time it pointed out fraud taking place. It also, in that article, looks like the trouble has been pinpointed and now recommendations are being made.

    Obviously a lot of tightening up needs to be done, and I'd be tempted to start with the doctors that are documenting that some of these people are disabled, assuming you need a doctor's forms filled out/letter etc to claim disability.


    Bingo !
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    Mar 23, 2013 8:18 PM GMT
    untfit for work-not enough job experience to qualify for the job position. icon_sad.gif
  • vj2004t

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    Mar 23, 2013 9:02 PM GMT
    None of you guys know anything about .this I have been on disability for over ten years now I was diagnosed with cirrhosis no not from drinking its on my fathers side side of the family too. My dads mom died of Cirrhosis.
    Going thru disability was it took three years to get it with two attorneys and federal court. My case file was 4 inches thick from doctors and SS DOCTOR in the courtroom telling the administrative law judge in his opinion I could never return to work. The law Judge turned me down for disability. I refiled in
    Alabama and with the help of a Senator and state rep. and federal attorney Alabama adudicated the case and i finally got it.
    So everyone on disability are not dead beats, Well I am one of you guys thankful to be alive and able to stay fit or at least a good stab at it.
    A lot of people who apply for disability are turned down and it is usually a three year fight with no income one silver lining I had long term disability from my last job to sustain me.

    I have met people that should be on disability and are denied. And unless they can sustain a three year fight they wont make it. Guys dont be so judgemental and lump everyone together that there all dead beats. I hope to God none of you have to go on Disability you will have to change your story and opinion.

    If you will look at my profile it talks about "Gods working even when you cant see him" well the state of Alabama paid for my operation $80,000 dollars worth at University of Birmingham Liver Center. So guys 'LET HIM THAT IS WITHOUT BIASED JUDGEMENTAL SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE"..SS, Disability, are very very needed, for everyone that needs it. I AM NOT A DEADBEAT LOOKING FOR A HANDOUT. Val
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    Mar 23, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
    Half of the politicians would qualify...icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 23, 2013 9:16 PM GMT
    vj2004t saidNone of you guys know anything about .this I have been on disability for over ten years now I was diagnosed with cirrhosis no not from drinking its on my fathers side side of the family too. My dads mom died of Cirrhosis.
    Going thru disability was it took three years to get it with two attorneys and federal court. My case file was 4 inches thick from doctors and SS DOCTOR in the courtroom telling the administrative law judge in his opinion I could never return to work. The law Judge turned me down for disability. I refiled in
    Alabama and with the help of a Senator and state rep. and federal attorney Alabama adudicated the case and i finally got it.
    So everyone on disability are not dead beats, Well I am one of you guys thankful to be alive and able to stay fit or at least a good stab at it.
    A lot of people who apply for disability are turned down and it is usually a three year fight with no income one silver lining I had long term disability from my last job to sustain me.

    I have met people that should be on disability and are denied. And unless they can sustain a three year fight they wont make it. Guys dont be so judgemental and lump everyone together that there all dead beats. I hope to God none of you have to go on Disability you will have to change your story and opinion.

    If you will look at my profile it talks about "Gods working even when you cant see him" well the state of Alabama paid for my operation $80,000 dollars worth at University of Birmingham Liver Center. So guys 'LET HIM THAT IS WITHOUT BIASED JUDGEMENTAL SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE"..SS, Disability, are very very needed, for everyone that needs it. I AM NOT A DEADBEAT LOOKING FOR A HANDOUT. Val


    You are correct. I apologize if my response sounded insensitive. You are the type of person the programs are designed for and it's easy to forget about people like you because you easily get lost in the system that has become so jaded. I am very glad that you were able to get the help you needed. All the best to you.

    I also do know - as the south was mentioned. - Here you are automatically denied disability. You have to get a lawyer and take it to court to get it approved. It's not as easy as one might think.
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    Mar 23, 2013 9:46 PM GMT
    I wonder how you would feel if you realize that allowance and rejection decisions have a large random component in it. Basically cases are randomly assigned to judges, who vary a lot in leniency over all categories of cases.

    vj2004t saidNone of you guys know anything about .this I have been on disability for over ten years now I was diagnosed with cirrhosis no not from drinking its on my fathers side side of the family too. My dads mom died of Cirrhosis.
    Going thru disability was it took three years to get it with two attorneys and federal court. My case file was 4 inches thick from doctors and SS DOCTOR in the courtroom telling the administrative law judge in his opinion I could never return to work. The law Judge turned me down for disability. I refiled in
    Alabama and with the help of a Senator and state rep. and federal attorney Alabama adudicated the case and i finally got it.
    So everyone on disability are not dead beats, Well I am one of you guys thankful to be alive and able to stay fit or at least a good stab at it.
    A lot of people who apply for disability are turned down and it is usually a three year fight with no income one silver lining I had long term disability from my last job to sustain me.

    I have met people that should be on disability and are denied. And unless they can sustain a three year fight they wont make it. Guys dont be so judgemental and lump everyone together that there all dead beats. I hope to God none of you have to go on Disability you will have to change your story and opinion.

    If you will look at my profile it talks about "Gods working even when you cant see him" well the state of Alabama paid for my operation $80,000 dollars worth at University of Birmingham Liver Center. So guys 'LET HIM THAT IS WITHOUT BIASED JUDGEMENTAL SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE"..SS, Disability, are very very needed, for everyone that needs it. I AM NOT A DEADBEAT LOOKING FOR A HANDOUT. Val
  • vj2004t

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    Mar 24, 2013 4:35 PM GMT

    Update to the above opinion FYI

    Well I had my case studied by a law school and they determined the administrative law judge decision was the most well written case for me not to be granted Disability. SS review board in Virginia disagreed and reversed his case opinion. This judge was a hanging judge and i think had already decided not to give it to me. It was shocking that the judge ignored the opinion of the SS Dr. in the courtroom.

    Dont any of you guys think just because you need to be on disability it is easy to get it. Getting it the burden of proof is on you and then still you may not get it.
  • neosyllogy

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    Mar 24, 2013 4:41 PM GMT
    vj2004t saidNone of you guys know anything about .this I have been on disability for over ten years now I was diagnosed with cirrhosis no not from drinking its on my fathers side side of the family too. My dads mom died of Cirrhosis.
    Going thru disability was it took three years to get it with two attorneys and federal court. My case file was 4 inches thick from doctors and SS DOCTOR in the courtroom telling the administrative law judge in his opinion I could never return to work. The law Judge turned me down for disability. I refiled in
    Alabama and with the help of a Senator and state rep. and federal attorney Alabama adudicated the case and i finally got it.
    So everyone on disability are not dead beats, Well I am one of you guys thankful to be alive and able to stay fit or at least a good stab at it.
    A lot of people who apply for disability are turned down and it is usually a three year fight with no income one silver lining I had long term disability from my last job to sustain me.

    I have met people that should be on disability and are denied. And unless they can sustain a three year fight they wont make it. Guys dont be so judgemental and lump everyone together that there all dead beats. I hope to God none of you have to go on Disability you will have to change your story and opinion.

    If you will look at my profile it talks about "Gods working even when you cant see him" well the state of Alabama paid for my operation $80,000 dollars worth at University of Birmingham Liver Center. So guys 'LET HIM THAT IS WITHOUT BIASED JUDGEMENTAL SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE"..SS, Disability, are very very needed, for everyone that needs it. I AM NOT A DEADBEAT LOOKING FOR A HANDOUT. Val



    ...wait. What?
    You're on disability because you can't work, but you exercise and body build...?
    Maybe I missed something, but I'm confused.

    The fact that you had a hard time getting disability doesn't strike me as super relevant either. Not only because, as just mentioned, you clearly exercise and are physically active, but because it doesn't change the fact that ~5% of working age Americans are on it for reasons that, at first blush, often seem ridiculous.
  • vj2004t

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    Mar 24, 2013 4:55 PM GMT
    UPDATE TO THE ABOVE COMMENT...

    I workout at the gym to control sugar . which is as bad as the cirrhosis. My liver specialist at Emory in Atlanta told me never stop working out it is helping you stay alive.

    "GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE MR HIGH AND MIGHTY, SEEMS LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT COMPASSION IS"

    OH DID I FAIL TO MENTION THE 32 STAPLES IT TOOK TO CLOSE BE UP
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    Mar 26, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
    It gets worse (and for the record, I do actually think there are those on disability who actually should be on disability in the way the program was intended):

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/national-editorial-soaring-social-security-disability-rolls-headed-for-collapse/article/2525379