Sugar is toxic.

  • Medjai

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    Mar 25, 2013 6:13 PM GMT
    So, I stand corrected. Until the release of this study, it was unsupported conjecture. However, this is the proof we've been seeking.

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/27/its-the-sugar-folks/
  • Medjai

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    Mar 25, 2013 10:07 PM GMT
    Really? I thought you guys would be all over this...
  • Nayro

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    Mar 25, 2013 11:12 PM GMT
    But sugar is so tasty icon_sad.gif

    is the 1.1% significant then? cause they explicitly say the 0.1 isnt.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 26, 2013 3:25 AM GMT
    Daelin saidBut sugar is so tasty icon_sad.gif

    is the 1.1% significant then? cause they explicitly say the 0.1 isnt.


    In statistics, generally speaking, anything kinder 0.5% isn't considered statistically relevant, as it could be a blip in the data. After that, it begins to mean something.
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    Mar 26, 2013 3:34 AM GMT
    I liked the correction at the end the best.
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    Mar 26, 2013 3:35 AM GMT
    Don't know if "toxic" is the right word, the simple fact is that it is high GI, high in calories with no nutritional value...so is best kept on the 'avoid' list.
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    Mar 26, 2013 3:50 AM GMT
    Natural sugar isn't as bad for you as that high fructose corn syrup crap they use in place of sugar.
    During a hospital visit 6 years ago I asked for a soda while my doctor was in and he made it a point to instruct the nurse I was forbidden to have soda. He then advised that a soda takes your immune system down for 6 hours.
    If you want a coke, get a bottled Mexican coke that has real sugar.
    Mayor Bloomberg has peoples interest at heart, but he's going about it the wrong way.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 26, 2013 3:53 AM GMT
    B777232ER saidNatural sugar isn't as bad for you as that high fructose corn syrup crap they use in place of sugar.
    During a hospital visit 6 years ago I asked for a soda while my doctor was in and he made it a point to instruct the nurse I was forbidden to have soda. He then advised that a soda takes your immune system down for 6 hours.
    If you want a coke, get a bottled Mexican coke that has real sugar.
    Mayor Bloomberg has peoples interest at heart, but he's going about it the wrong way.


    "Real sugar" makes no difference. It's processed, added sugar, regardless of the form. Besides, cane sugar and HFCS are almost chemically identical.
  • Bicuriouscool

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    Mar 26, 2013 4:08 AM GMT
    seriously, man had been eating sugar ever since the dawn of history, i dont think anything bad happened to him.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 26, 2013 4:17 AM GMT
    Bicuriouscool saidseriously, man had been eating sugar ever since the dawn of history, i dont think anything bad happened to him.


    Refined sugar is a very new phenomenon...

    So this has been a proposal for a long time, now it's been effectively even, and still people deny it...
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    Mar 26, 2013 4:19 AM GMT
    I'm in the "everything in moderation" camp. Pigging out on sugary sweets on a regular basis is never a good thing, but sometimes you have to live a little. Life is too short.

    I'm sure sugar factors heavily into the obesity equation, but so do processed foods, a sedentary lifestyle, smoking, drinking and a stress-driven society. I'm always skeptical when these studies show simple answers to complex problems.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 26, 2013 4:20 AM GMT
    dc0776 saidI'm in the "everything in moderation" camp. Pigging out on sugary sweets on a regular basis is never a good thing, but sometimes you have to live a little. Life is too short.

    I'm sure sugar factors heavily into the obesity equation, but so do processed foods, a sedentary lifestyle, smoking, drinking and a stress-driven society. I'm always skeptical when these studies show simple answers to complex problems.


    Did you read the study? Every one of those factors was accounted for...
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    Mar 26, 2013 4:29 AM GMT
    Bicuriouscool saidseriously, man had been eating sugar ever since the dawn of history, i dont think anything bad happened to him.


    Yes, but in the olden days sugar is brown or dark color(Jaggery) because it contains minerals, vitamins etc...Now, these are considered as impurities and are refined or purified until there is nothing left but only sugar (white) i.e. only carbohydrates.
    There are different researches going on from this point of view...

    I think sugar is one of the causes of obesity and diabetes but it certainly not the primary factor!
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    Mar 26, 2013 4:45 AM GMT
    Bicuriouscool saidseriously, man had been eating sugar ever since the dawn of history, i dont think anything bad happened to him.


    .... you're joking.

    If all of human history were condensed into a year, we've been eating sugar since yesterday.
  • Zinc

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    Mar 26, 2013 4:49 AM GMT
    Plenty of natural experiments showed this too. I recommend Gary Taubes' "Good Calories, Bad Calories" for an extensive review of the literature going back to the early 1900s, and focusing on the Austrian-German work in this area up until WWII.
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    Mar 26, 2013 9:50 AM GMT
    Sugar is not toxic any more than fat or protein is toxic, glucose is our body's preferred fuel.
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    Mar 26, 2013 10:14 AM GMT
    Sugar is largest single killer in the modern world. It is linked to obesity, blood pressure, autoimmune disorders, cancer and diabetes. It turns your digestive system and bloodstream acidic. Our bloodstream and digestive system is actually meant to be alkaline! An ingesting statistic is find the correlation between obesity, and diabetes nice 1850 in U.S and British national medical statistics.
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    Mar 26, 2013 10:15 AM GMT
    Ingesting Lolicon_rolleyes.gificon_wink.gif
  • Nayro

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:31 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    Daelin saidBut sugar is so tasty icon_sad.gif

    is the 1.1% significant then? cause they explicitly say the 0.1 isnt.


    In statistics, generally speaking, anything kinder 0.5% isn't considered statistically relevant, as it could be a blip in the data. After that, it begins to mean something.



    well that's not how i learned it. For something to be significant there have to be more factors. If they tested this on only 2 persons for instance, a rise from 0.1 to 1.1% is not significant cause the chance its a coincedence is too big.
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    Mar 26, 2013 10:49 AM GMT
    Inflammation a root cause of disease and sugar is one of the most inflammatory foods, people need to accept reality- sugar baaaadddddddd.
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    Mar 26, 2013 11:08 AM GMT
    Pretty much what Dr, Davis of "Wheat Belly" has been saying for years, along with Taubes and others. Cut out sugar, and wheat (not so sure I buy the strength of his argument there that its worse than other carbs), and restrict other carbs until you have post-prandial glucose control, and many folks can effectively eliminate metabolic syndrome, blood lipid disorders and even Type Two diabetes.

    I think it will be a while before everyone gets on board with this though the ship is slowly turning.
  • Beastmode

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    Mar 26, 2013 11:39 AM GMT
    Where possible go natural. icon_biggrin.gif
  • ASHDOD

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    Mar 26, 2013 11:42 AM GMT
    i dont think there is a controversy that sugar is no good, but its hard to avoid it completly, it requires a very accurate and strickt diet ,and that's a big hassle
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    Mar 26, 2013 12:33 PM GMT
    I am on a strict 30-40g of sugar a day, I made a thread about it. In the past 3 months I have lost 4 inches from my waist without losing any weight. It is easy once you get used to the taste of the things you replace it with (nuts, green vegetables, biltong for me). You get used to reading the packets and avoiding certain aisles in the supermarket. I should upload another photo soon so people can see the difference...
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 26, 2013 5:01 PM GMT
    Brutemuscles saidSugar is largest single killer in the modern world. It is linked to obesity, blood pressure, autoimmune disorders, cancer and diabetes. It turns your digestive system and bloodstream acidic. Our bloodstream and digestive system is actually meant to be alkaline! An ingesting statistic is find the correlation between obesity, and diabetes nice 1850 in U.S and British national medical statistics.
    You mean that high fructose corn syrup is the largest single killer in the world. It is the artificial preservatives, high fructose corn syrup, and other chemicals that are the source of all the serious health problems, not natural sugar.