I see nothing morally different between a woman beating a man and a man beating a woman. They are morally the SAME THING!!

  • rman23

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    Mar 25, 2013 8:31 PM GMT
    "Randomized sociological surveys (as opposed to unreliable crime data) repatedly shows women initiate DV as often as men. A recent 32-nation study by the University of New Hampshire, which included Australia, found women are as violent and controlling as men in relationships worldwide"

    In fact over 200 studies and growing confirm that "women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners," as Cal State University Professor Martin Fiebert shows in his online bibliography at http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

    "In the U.S., a major study funded by the Centers for Disease Control examined heterosexual relationships throughout the U.S. and found: "Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases."

    "More women than men (25% versus 11%) were responsible. In fact, 71 percent of the instigators in nonreciprocal partner violence were women" and "while injury was more likely when violence was perpetrated by men, in relationships with reciprocal violence it was the men who were injured more often (25% of the time) than were women (20% of the time)."

    Considering the fact that most liberals(including feminists) don't want to acknowledge this I am very thankful that I don't consider myself a liberal. Even liberals seem to make my blood boil.
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    Mar 26, 2013 1:29 AM GMT
    rman23 saidConsidering the fact that most liberals (including feminists) don't want to acknowledge this I am very thankful that I don't consider myself a liberal. Even liberals seem to make my blood boil.


    An interesting post derailed by fucked-in-the-ear insanity.
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    Mar 26, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    WTF


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  • MidwesternKid

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    Mar 26, 2013 1:59 AM GMT
    You do make a point. Women are capable of the same kind of aggressiveness and violence as men.

    But in the eyes of the law, which do you think will be charged easier?

    A man will always go down for hitting a woman more often than a woman hitting a man.
  • MidwesternKid

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    Mar 26, 2013 2:05 AM GMT
    When I was in high school, there was a girl in my group of friends that found amusement in slapping me frequently. Not a soft slap, but slapping me at times as hard as she could. She would slap me and laugh in my face.

    One time I had enough. I told her if she didn't stop I would hit back. She didn't believe me and started slapping me over and over laughing at me.

    I decided to slap her back. She was shocked and so was everyone else we were hanging out with. No one ever stopped her or told her what she was doing was mean, but when I slapped her that one time, I was chewed out by everyone.

    No one ever came to my defense, both guys and girls when she would hit me and I made it clear I didn't like her actions. But everyone rushed to hers that one time when I gave her a clear warning.

    The double standard will always be there.
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    Mar 26, 2013 2:45 AM GMT
    I don't have the citation off hand with me right now, but there was an interesting study showing that lesbian relationships report higher rates of domestic violence compared to heterosexual relationships and gay male relationships. But hey, that doesn't fit the "violent man beating on helpless woman" paradigm we've all been led to believe about the nature of domestic violence.

    Erin Pizzey, the woman who opened up the first domestic violence shelter in the UK, surveyed the women that came to her home, and found that roughly 60% of the women who came to her shelter were as violent as or more violent than the men they left behind. When she tried to speak up about this, the feminists of her day intimidated her into silence, making death threats at her and killing her family dog before she fled the UK.

    What's even more disturbing is, given the statistics of the OP, that most DV shelters only take in women and children, most DV services are offered to only women and children, and that there are little to no DV shelters for men.
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    Mar 26, 2013 2:52 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidAnd as a gay man, this impacts your life how? icon_confused.gif


    Well consider that these statistics contradict the popular image many have of domestic violence: a violent man beating a helpless woman. As such, the good majority of DV shelters and services only cater to women and children. Receiving such help, if necessary, as a man is much harder. Consider this particular case:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2977262/

  • pure_motion

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    Mar 26, 2013 3:02 AM GMT
    While I agree the double standard is ridiculous, the reason the legal system might react towards male to female violence more vehemently than vice versa probably has something to do with the damage caused. While women may be just as, if not more, likely to perpetrate violence according to the above info, it really doesn't mention whether that violence amounted to serious injury. As most men are physically stronger than most women, I'd wager violence in that direction would more often result in serious injury, hence a greater punitive response.

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    Mar 26, 2013 3:11 AM GMT
    pure_motion saidWhile I agree the double standard is ridiculous, the reason the legal system might react towards male to female violence more vehemently than vice versa probably has something to do with the damage caused. While women may be just as, if not more, likely to perpetrate violence according to the above info, it really doesn't mention whether that violence amounted to serious injury. As most men are physically stronger than most women, I'd wager violence in that direction would more often result in serious injury, hence a greater punitive response.

    "With great power comes great responsibility" - Uncle Ben.


    Would you consider a greater punitive response towards violent men compared to violent women justified?

    Edit: It's an honest question.
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    Mar 26, 2013 3:29 AM GMT
    Women tend to be a lot weaker than men. There are exceptions of course.
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    Mar 26, 2013 3:36 AM GMT
    charlitos saidWomen tend to be a lot weaker than men. There are exceptions of course.


    Physical damage is not the only damage caused in abusive relationships.
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    Mar 26, 2013 3:38 AM GMT
    I'm not sure I buy the "Men are stronger than women" justification. Not because I don't think it's necessarily true (biologically, men are more hardier than women), but because you don't necessarily need to be stronger than someone else to do some serious damage to them. It just requires a bit more creativity.

    At 5'4'', I'm a small guy, but I can think of more than a handful of ways I could take down a guy who is 6'0'' (most of which involve a swift kick to the nuts and a subsequent fatal blow while he's reeling in pain).
  • O5vx

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    Mar 26, 2013 4:05 AM GMT
    While I don't necessarily believe that the justification for abusive relationship should be based on the person's gender, it does make sense that the male gender have the tendency to do more damage. I am always cautious whenever any study comes out claiming to have proof to support something like this. We have a role as a society to ensure that we don't condone violence no matter who is committing it. Therefore, the punishment for domestic violence should be the same, regardless of who has committed the crime. This is coming from a socialist who believe in equal responsibility for equal crime, irrespective of gender, race, ethnicity or creed.
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    Mar 26, 2013 6:34 AM GMT
    Everyone should get the crap beaten out of them from time to time..
    Right Mike??

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    Mar 26, 2013 3:03 PM GMT
    I dont condone hitting women, but if a woman ever attacked me or hit me, she better believe she's gonna be hit back. . I dont give a fuck if shes a woman or not. If u attack or hit me, I will fucking hit u back. No problem.
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    Apr 06, 2013 11:23 PM GMT
    This post is ridiculous. No man should ever hit a woman, unless she's about to kill you, otherwise it's just completely wrong.
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    Apr 06, 2013 11:26 PM GMT
    Plus when a woman hits it's usually just scratches or a bruise. When a guy hits it's a black eye and broken ribs. I mean c'mon...Hitting a woman is the most unmanly thing I can think of.
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    Apr 06, 2013 11:30 PM GMT
    The thing that sticks out in my mind and from experience.

    When a woman hits me I get a bruise but if I hit a woman she wont get back up again.

    I've never hit a woman and I've no intention of ever doing it. But I've hit guys and I know I have a lot more strength behind every punch I've ever thrown then any woman as ever thrown at me.
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 06, 2013 11:51 PM GMT
    You have to be some kind of douche to go on and on about justifying hitting a woman.
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    Apr 06, 2013 11:55 PM GMT
    lilTanker saidThe thing that sticks out in my mind and from experience.

    When a woman hits me I get a bruise but if I hit a woman she wont get back up again.

    I've never hit a woman and I've no intention of ever doing it. But I've hit guys and I know I have a lot more strength behind every punch I've ever thrown then any woman as ever thrown at me.


    Why is violence against men ok but not against women?

    I really hope that this country eventually takes an anti violence stance in general.

    Because, you know, just because women are weaker doesnt mean weapons are around for her to use. No, no never could she grab scissors or a knife or something like that.

    I mean, you are so right, if a man is getting beaten by a women in a relationship that is just a pathetic man, but if a women is getting beaten by a man then the man is clearly the devil here icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 07, 2013 12:00 AM GMT
    Chainers saidWhy is violence against men ok but not against women?

    I really hope that this country eventually takes an anti violence stance in general.

    Because, you know, just because women are weaker doesnt mean weapons are around for her to use. No, no never could she grab scissors or a knife or something like that.

    I mean, you are so right, if a man is getting beaten by a women in a relationship that is just a pathetic man, but if a women is getting beaten by a man then the man is clearly the devil here icon_rolleyes.gif

    I think you ran away with something I never said.

    I never said it's okay. I actually find violence rather disgusting. You don't ever hit someone you love.

    I still would never hit another woman ever, I just wouldn't. I grew up in a house of them, you don't do it.

    If you need to defend your self so be it. But you go only so far as to keep yourself safe.

    Next time you want to reply to me please don't try to use bullshit I haven't said.
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    Apr 07, 2013 12:01 AM GMT
    lilTanker said
    Chainers saidWhy is violence against men ok but not against women?

    I really hope that this country eventually takes an anti violence stance in general.

    Because, you know, just because women are weaker doesnt mean weapons are around for her to use. No, no never could she grab scissors or a knife or something like that.

    I mean, you are so right, if a man is getting beaten by a women in a relationship that is just a pathetic man, but if a women is getting beaten by a man then the man is clearly the devil here icon_rolleyes.gif

    I think you ran away with something I never said.

    I never said it's okay. I actually find violence rather disgusting. You don't ever hit someone you love.

    I still would never hit another woman ever, I just wouldn't. I grew up in a house of them, you don't do it.

    If you need to defend your self so be it. But you go only so far as to keep yourself safe.

    Next time you want to reply to me please don't try to use bullshit I haven't said.


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    Apr 07, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidAnother thing that comes to mind and that I find disconcerting, to say the least, is that there we are bombarded with messages that perpetuate violence toward men by women. Nearly every time I turn the television on, I see some advertisement for a program or a commercial where a woman punches or slaps a man. This isn't funny and this sends a very fucked up message to everyone, especially young viewers.

    But turn it around and show a program where a man slaps or punches a woman and it's abuse.

    TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.



    Or like with the Tiger Woods scandal where she tried to beat the shit out of him with golf clubs and everyone was laughing about it, but if the situation was reverse he would have been arrested, and the public would have been mortified.

    Ridiculous double standard if you ask me. We need to get over this idea that every man is strong enough to protect him from any onslaught and that women are weak pathetic creatures is damaging to everyone is society.
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    Apr 07, 2013 12:17 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidTOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.


    There was a time when domestic violence was totally acceptable though. For a man to hit a woman was just part of day to day business. She'd step out of line and get smacked back into it.

    I don't agree with it but we used to think it was okay for a man to hit a woman and for nothing to be done about it.

    Women are now more often treating men like shit. I actually don't have a problem with this considering how men treated women and how they continue to treat them. But the men don't like this at all. I find it to be a little poetic justice.

    Things will swing around wildly until they find a common ground but until then I find it interesting to watch.

    as a gay man the greater majority of the female sex see me as someone who isn't a sexual exploit so in affect another one of the girls and men don't see me as competition or a sexual exploit either so I'm just another one of the guys. (well the ones who accept me for being gay anyway) so I find it insanely interesting getting to watch on both sides of the fences with their reasoning and justifications for what ever actions they take towards the posits.
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    Apr 07, 2013 12:41 AM GMT
    "But turn it around and show a program where a man slaps or punches a woman and it's abuse.

    TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. "

    Yeah that's because there is a huge difference in the kind of damage done by a woman's punch vs. a man's punch. For someone who keeps repeating that this isn't funny you seem to be talking about it in a very humorous manner.