Is Marriage an overratd gay issue?

  • WhoDey

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    Mar 26, 2013 3:47 AM GMT
    Aren't there more important issues like workplace discrimination?

    Discuss.

    EDIT: I just threw out one example. Other examples would be spread of HIV/AIDS, racism/prejudice within our own community, and other important issues
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    Mar 26, 2013 3:50 AM GMT
    I'd say they both go hand-in-hand.
  • GIWannaMan

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    Mar 26, 2013 3:51 AM GMT
    It's opinionated. It's all based on bias, bigotry, and other reasons of the person judging it.
  • TheBizMan

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    Mar 26, 2013 3:51 AM GMT
    The thing is, once gay marriage is recognized, it will have much further reaching effects than small, relatively unnoticed laws. Gay marriage is an eye opener to the public. I believe the rest of our rights will follow suit once people understand that men can fall in love with each other and have a much strong, fulfilling relationship than many straight couples.
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    Mar 26, 2013 4:01 AM GMT
    Nope, each has its own importance...
    We can't admire one thing and ignore another!

    It's like 2 sides of a coin
    One side is a list of things people want to change
    On the other side is the list that people consider as unimportant...
    2 sides are totally different in appearance, but have same value...
    its value is lost if one of the two sides is plain!

    Whatever it is...we should fight for the whole rights. Not few, but whole...both important and unimportant.
    Only then we can get true freedom.

    For ex:
    You're against discrimination.
    other guy wants right to marry.
    You both consider the other persons requirements as unimportant. So, both of you travel in your own paths...
    No one notices you because, from outside perspective it all looks chaos and people who calls themselves as "Educated or literate etc.,." may think of you as incapable...

    What if you both, not only fight for your cause but also for your neighbor?
    Only then is your voice will be heard, resonate every corner, it will be crystal clear to outsiders!
    The best way to fight for a cause is "Unity in Diversity"

    As McQueen said above
    They both go hand-in hand
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    Mar 26, 2013 4:26 AM GMT
    I would also say that gay marriage is an easier issue to rally support for because the discrimination is obvious and covers the demographic as a whole.

    Workplace discrimination is harder. It's situational in that not all gay folks face it, and it's not always overt enough to prove (a person being fired for vague performance issues rather than their sexual orientation). It's also not a fight specific to the gay community, as age, gender and race discrimination continue to be an issue in the workplace.
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    Mar 26, 2013 4:56 AM GMT
    Depends on who you ask. For those who feel it's an important issue, I have complete respect for their opinion. For me, I don't care. I don't need to tell the State, the church or the world that I'm in love with my partner.
  • TheBizMan

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    Mar 26, 2013 4:57 AM GMT
    Erik101 saidDepends on who you ask. For those who feel it's an important issue, I have complete respect for their opinion. For me, I don't care. I don't need to tell the State, the church or the world that I'm in love with my partner.

    Sure you'd appreciate those 1000+ benefits a federally recognized marriage would grant ya.
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    Mar 26, 2013 6:34 AM GMT
    Is this a serious question? As Biz said, read up on the more-than-1k federal benefits granted only to straight married couples.

    It's not overrated. At all.
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    Mar 26, 2013 6:37 AM GMT
    To. Tal. Ly.

    I'm so sick of the discussion between gays and straights being about gay marriage. Can we move on to something more fundamental. What even is marriage anymore anyway? Can't it just be as simple as we all just shack up with people we want to live with, why does there have to be big ceremony involved.
  • Jonny21

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    Mar 26, 2013 6:39 AM GMT
    Im not sure if I will ever get married, but I believe marriage equality is a very important issue. Personally, it's about equality and have the right to do what others in society are entitled to do. So no, I don't think it is overrated.
  • The_Guruburu

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    Mar 26, 2013 6:40 AM GMT
    Yes. It'd be better to see those benefits available to all Americans, not just state-sanctioned sex pairs.
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    Mar 26, 2013 6:42 AM GMT
    oozyrat saidTo. Tal. Ly.

    I'm so sick of the discussion between gays and straights being about gay marriage. Can we move on to something more fundamental. What even is marriage anymore anyway? Can't it just be as simple as we all just shack up with people we want to live with, why does there have to be big ceremony involved.


    As long as there is a blatant inequality between two classes of people, it will always be a big deal.
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    Mar 26, 2013 6:46 AM GMT
    WhoDey saidAren't there more important issues like workplace discrimination?

    Discuss.

    What work place discrimination? I'm openly gay at my workplace and no one gives a shit!

    I haven't worked in any office where they have ever cared and from what I hear most don't give a shit about someone being gay as long as they pull their weight!

    Big picture.. gay marriage is about equality and none discrimination.
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    Mar 26, 2013 6:49 AM GMT
    WhoDey saidAren't there more important issues like workplace discrimination?

    Discuss.


    I would have to agree here, we all work, not all of us are going to get married, marriage is an option which we all rightly deserve but working is not, unless you've won the lottery or are Warren Buffets children, I wish i could have the option to work or not, are some then going to argue that having a job free from discrimination is a right or entitlement by the constitution also?

    In employment, my libertarian sister puts its this way.......

    If a company feels that sexual orientation is somehow going to be a problem in its workforce, no company should be forced into hiring or promoting people who outly identify as such, "thats the way it is"

    What she is missing, the part where that needs to be in writing, all hell would break loose such as that horrible company Exon Mobil.....does anyone openly gay work for Exon Mobil? HELL to the No......why?, #1 company listed on the Fortune 500, they are making billions without promoting diversity.

    So yes, I say to employment protections first, either way, not going change the minds over at the Mobil station, they will just be pissy cause then will have to hire some fags
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    Mar 26, 2013 7:03 AM GMT
    lilTanker saidWhat work place discrimination? I'm openly gay at my workplace and no one gives a shit!
    I haven't worked in any office where they have ever cared and from what I hear most don't give a shit about someone being gay as long as they pull their weight!
    You don't live in AMURRIKA.
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    Mar 26, 2013 7:05 AM GMT
    oozyrat saidTo. Tal. Ly.
    I'm so sick of the discussion between gays and straights being about gay marriage. Can we move on to something more fundamental. What even is marriage anymore anyway? Can't it just be as simple as we all just shack up with people we want to live with, why does there have to be big ceremony involved.
    Do you understand the legal differences between a married couple and a non-married couple? It sure sounds like you don't.
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    Mar 26, 2013 7:07 AM GMT
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    lilTanker saidWhat work place discrimination? I'm openly gay at my workplace and no one gives a shit!
    I haven't worked in any office where they have ever cared and from what I hear most don't give a shit about someone being gay as long as they pull their weight!
    You don't live in AMURRIKA.


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    Mar 26, 2013 11:38 AM GMT
    TheBizMan said
    Erik101 saidDepends on who you ask. For those who feel it's an important issue, I have complete respect for their opinion. For me, I don't care. I don't need to tell the State, the church or the world that I'm in love with my partner.

    Sure you'd appreciate those 1000+ benefits a federally recognized marriage would grant ya.


    I totally see your point BizMan but for me, none of those benefits are important. What's important to me is being with my guy and I'm comfortable with just him.
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    Mar 26, 2013 12:08 PM GMT
    oozyrat saidTo. Tal. Ly.

    I'm so sick of the discussion between gays and straights being about gay marriage. Can we move on to something more fundamental. What even is marriage anymore anyway? Can't it just be as simple as we all just shack up with people we want to live with, why does there have to be big ceremony involved.


    Marriage is fundamental! Do you understand the DOMA case at all? The woman who is suing to strike it down doesn't want to pay draconian estate taxes on what she inherited from her deceased spouse. If she wins she gets a refund of over $300,000 from the U.S. government. Still think marriage isn't fundamental? Do you do want to tell her that? Now multiply this one example by the thousands of married gay couples and then multiply that by the thousand or so benefits they cannot access because of DOMA.

    Of course, marriage is fundamental!
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    Mar 26, 2013 12:09 PM GMT
    WhoDey saidAren't there more important issues like workplace discrimination?

    Discuss.


    Duh! They are both important.
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    Mar 26, 2013 12:14 PM GMT
    What's more important is why most gays continue to support a US president who provides foreign aid to so many countries whose governments execute gays.

    Trading someone's life for support of gay marriage is not an equitable arrangement.
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    Mar 26, 2013 12:18 PM GMT
    Marriage these days is overrated full stop. So why won't they just let us do it.
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    Mar 26, 2013 12:38 PM GMT
    Because in the UK we have civil partnerships, I used to think marriage was not a big deal. However, every new policy or discussion had to have "...or civil partnership" added to confirm they would be treated the same, and it left an open goal for some future lawmaker to discriminate. Also, a full marriage would be harder to disregard in another country, if you moved/worked abroad.
  • calibro

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    Mar 26, 2013 12:45 PM GMT
    given marriage comes with over a 1000 rights, i think you're an idiot for even asking this question... unless you're specifically asking about it from the uk perspective... which makes you an idiout