A gay autistic young man killed in the UK and the murder gets three point five years.

  • O5vx

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    Mar 26, 2013 4:40 AM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/23/steven-simpson-gay-teen-burned-birthday-_n_2939092.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

    Now, when I first saw the story, I thought that just sound completely wrong. How could a young adult murder someone; an individual with disability and only get 3.5 years? It is morally wrong, it is inhuman the way he was killed. To have someone doused in oil and then light on fire; to writ obscene things on him such as: "I love dick". I had to question the justification of such lenient sentence. What are your thoughts?
  • dommyinlosang...

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    Mar 26, 2013 8:28 AM GMT
    O5vx saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/23/steven-simpson-gay-teen-burned-birthday-_n_2939092.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

    Now, when I first saw the story, I thought that just sound completely wrong. How could a young adult murder someone; an individual with disability and only get 3.5 years? It is morally wrong, it is inhuman the way he was killed. To have someone doused in oil and then light on fire; to writ obscene things on him such as: "I love dick". I had to question the justification of such lenient sentence. What are your thoughts?


    i read about this case... apparently it was a prank that i think had a lot less to do with him being gay and more to do with them pranking a guy who was mentally handicapped... the burning was totally accidental... they had him cover himself in some sort of oil lotion or something... and the kid apparently feels terrible... i dont think it was a case of lets kill the fag... just a supposedly funny prank in really bad taste that went terribly wrong... it's a tough call but i think the sentence is the right one... if all those facts are correct... if it were intentional and hateful then i think a much longer sentence to get that person off the streets would be called for
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    Mar 26, 2013 4:24 PM GMT
    having a form of autism myself i found the nature of this "prank" to be even more disgusting than if it WERE a case of "burn the fag". A gay guy is going to be able to defend himself or judge a situation to a certain extent and make a call on it but a mentally-handicapped person doesn't always have that luxury depending on how severe their condition.
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    Mar 26, 2013 6:31 PM GMT
    I read about this the other day.

    It's disgraceful and makes a mockery of our legal system here.

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:03 PM GMT
    saddly there are those here at RJ, that promote such people should be put down, as they behold no value.icon_evil.gif
  • Medjai

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
    Unintended saidThe UK has much, much easier sentencing than the USA. And a much, much higher crime rate, among the worst in the developed world.


    The UK had less than half the reported crimes of the US in 2011...
  • seafrontbloke

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:20 PM GMT
    Unintended saidThe UK has much, much easier sentencing than the USA. And a much, much higher crime rate, among the worst in the developed world.


    Intentional homicide rates:

    USA 4.8 /100,000 pop'n

    UK 1.2 /100,000 pop'n

    Yes we do have easier sentencing, though there is a statutory sentence of life for murder.

    http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/Homicide_statistics2012.xls
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    Mar 26, 2013 10:20 PM GMT
    Just makes me angry....prank or no it's a sign of bullying and taking advantage of someone. It sounds like no accident to me daring someone to put tanning oil on them? Then lighting them on fire? How is that funny or an accident? Just cruel is what it is I think he deserves a much worse punishment.
  • Medjai

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
    seafrontbloke said
    Unintended saidThe UK has much, much easier sentencing than the USA. And a much, much higher crime rate, among the worst in the developed world.


    Intentional homicide rates:

    USA 4.8 /100,000 pop'n

    UK 1.2 /100,000 pop'n

    Yes we do have easier sentencing, though there is a statutory sentence of life for murder.

    http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/Homicide_statistics2012.xls


    I'm not sure on this, but the statistic I heard was that there are more incarcerated criminals in the US than in the rest of the world combined.
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    Mar 26, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
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  • thadjock

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
    Unintended saidThe UK has much, much easier sentencing than the USA.


    true, the US really goes tough on murder, even when it's one of the lesser qualified charges like manslaughter.

    other countries have longer sentences for thievery than murder. cultural variance.

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:28 PM GMT
    Unintended saidThe UK has much, much easier sentencing than the USA. And a much, much higher crime rate, among the worst in the developed world.


    Countries by Crime Rate
    the darker the higher the crime rate:

    Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rat

    Murder rate per 100 000 habitants

    United Kingdom : 1.2
    Canada : 1.6
    United States : 4.8
    Mexico : 22.7
    Honduras : 91.6
  • thadjock

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:28 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    I'm not sure on this, but the statistic I heard was that there are more incarcerated criminals in the US than in the rest of the world combined.


    yeah and that's notlikely to change anytime soon, there's now a private sector profit motive to locking up anybody they can.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289

    wherever there's money to be made people will be exploited
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    Mar 26, 2013 10:31 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    Unintended saidThe UK has much, much easier sentencing than the USA. And a much, much higher crime rate, among the worst in the developed world.


    The UK had less than half the reported crimes of the US in 2011...


    There're 300 million people in the UK?
  • Medjai

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:36 PM GMT
    Unintended said
    There are many, many more crimes than murder...


    I'd rather live in a country of thieves and vandals than murderers.
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    Mar 26, 2013 10:38 PM GMT
    Unintended said

    There are many, many more crimes than murder...


    The particular case being discussed on this thread is murder.

    regardless:

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  • thadjock

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:45 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    Unintended said
    There are many, many more crimes than murder...


    I'd rather live in a country of thieves and vandals than murderers.


    u forgot buttrapers

  • Mar 26, 2013 10:46 PM GMT
    I am totally and utterly horrified mortified and angered to the pit of my stomach!

    It, totally insane! 3.5 years.

    As a person with a disability the deceased has less rights than the murderer!
    when will society's prejudices end ?

    I am numb inside after reading this article.

    Thanks O5vx for bringing this travesty of justice to everyone on here's attention.

  • Mar 26, 2013 10:51 PM GMT
    Gemini_Blueeyes saidI am totally and utterly horrified mortified and angered to the pit of my stomach!

    It, totally insane! 3.5 years.

    As a person with a disability the deceased has less rights than the murderer!
    when will society's prejudices end ?

    I am numb inside after reading this article.

    Thanks O5vx for bringing this travesty of justice to everyone on here's attention.


    Maybe the murder accused is remorseful, I hope the said sentence has a community service provision included in the sentence.
  • Apparition

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    Mar 26, 2013 10:51 PM GMT
    it also matters if you consider a bar fight a violent crime or football cheerleading a violent crime. or drug dealing a violent crime. uk and us would differ on those.
  • thadjock

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    Mar 26, 2013 11:02 PM GMT
    Shawnathan saidExactly, you can't really compare countries by crime rate unless you pick a crime to compare. Even then, it's tricky.


    i don't believe there are any measurable statistics on lighting autistic people on fire, rendering a country by country compairson of this crime, problematic at best.
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    Mar 26, 2013 11:07 PM GMT
    Unintended saidYour source?



    Google countries by crime index
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    Mar 26, 2013 11:10 PM GMT
    Medjai said

    I'm not sure on this, but the statistic I heard was that there are more incarcerated criminals in the US than in the rest of the world combined.


    Because most of the world is barbaric and they just kill their accused.
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    Mar 26, 2013 11:13 PM GMT
    I don't know if UK and US violent crime rates are directly comparable as the definition of "violent crime" usually varies greatly between countries. That being said, 3.5 years is not nearly enough time for murdering somebody by a method as brutal and painful as burning them alive.
  • dommyinlosang...

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    Mar 27, 2013 1:17 AM GMT
    Medjai said
    Unintended saidThe UK has much, much easier sentencing than the USA. And a much, much higher crime rate, among the worst in the developed world.


    The UK had less than half the reported crimes of the US in 2011...


    and the US has 5 percent of the worlds population but 25 percent of the prisoners... somethings not working here