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jms84 Posts: 784	Oct 14, 2008 7:42 PM GMT Quote

Caslon8000 Posts: 8503	Oct 14, 2008 7:45 PM GMT Quote for the americans....it's election day in Canada
roadbikeRob Posts: 396	Oct 14, 2008 10:00 PM GMT Quote Despite the fact that I live near the Canadian border, I am not all that concerned about the outcome of their national election. Whatever they choose for their country is their business. We have more than enough problems with politics in our country to be worrying about other countries politics.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 14, 2008 11:16 PM GMT Quote Half the Canadians are French. Does anyone really like the French? As we used to say when I lived in Europe: "Even the French hate the French." I lived along the Canadian border for 11 years. The French hate Americans. Now I live in South Florida, where French Canadians spend their Winters. They hate Americans down here, too, flaunt our laws, insult us to our faces. My greatest regret about global warming is that it'll prevent Canada from being covered by another glacial ice sheet. At least it may raise the ocean levels and drown the French along the Florida coastline.
Caslon8000 Posts: 8503	Oct 14, 2008 11:21 PM GMT Quote Red_Vespa saidHalf the Canadians are French. Does anyone really like the French? I lived along the Canadian border for 11 years. The French hate Americans. Now I live in South Florida, where French Canadians spend their Winters. They hate Americans down here, too, flaunt our laws, insult us to our faces. My greatest regret about global warming is that it'll prevent Canada from being covered by another glacial ice sheet. At least it may raise the ocean levels and drown the French along the Florida coastline. Half? ... ...
red_series Posts: 50	Oct 14, 2008 11:30 PM GMT Quote I like the French, but I'm French so maybe that doesn't count.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 14, 2008 11:45 PM GMT Quote Caslon7000 saidRed_Vespa saidHalf the Canadians are French. Does anyone really like the French?[SNIP] Half? ... ... At least. And they insist that everyone speak their stupid language, under the theory that if you speak French, you are French. Now as it happens I can speak French passably, along with a few other languages. And French is the lamest way to communicate I know. No, I'm sorry, but I've lived there, and the French are the dirtiest, smelliest, most rude, most disagreeable people on Earth. And they've tried to eradicate the British heritage in Canada, and will likely succeed in time.
canadianguy35 Posts: 102	Oct 14, 2008 11:51 PM GMT Quote Red_Vespa saidHalf the Canadians are French. Does anyone really like the French? As we used to say when I lived in Europe: "Even the French hate the French." I lived along the Canadian border for 11 years. The French hate Americans. Now I live in South Florida, where French Canadians spend their Winters. They hate Americans down here, too, flaunt our laws, insult us to our faces. My greatest regret about global warming is that it'll prevent Canada from being covered by another glacial ice sheet. At least it may raise the ocean levels and drown the French along the Florida coastline. Aww Red be nice . If I stereotyped all Americans on the ones that me and some friends convinced a few years ago that Canada has 3 moons, 14 months in a year, and 4 months of total darkness, I'd think... well... nevermind (they really did believe us, which actually kinda scared me). But, I did take a trip to Old Quebec City and parts around there, and I did find that a few of the people there were quite rude. If you didn't speak French, it was like they automatically put their nose in the air and thought they were better than you. I wouldn't take it personally, I think they hate everyone equally. I'm sure not all of Quebec is like this though, it's just my experience. I've heard great things about Montreal though!
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 12:01 AM GMT Quote canadianguy35 saidRed_Vespa saidHalf the Canadians are French. Does anyone really like the French? As we used to say when I lived in Europe: "Even the French hate the French." Aww Red be nice Well, OK. Actually I like ordinary Canadians, spent a lot of time there, and lots of them visited across the border where I lived. Really a lot like Americans, even the same accent, except they say "eh" a lot. It's just those French Canadians I really dislike. And I go out of my way down here in Florida to annoy them, and make them feel unwelcome the same way they try to make me feel unwelcome in my own country. Idea: have a bumper sticker made that says "Frenchies go home"
SurrealLife Posts: 4931	Oct 15, 2008 12:21 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said Caslon7000 saidRed_Vespa saidHalf the Canadians are French. Does anyone really like the French?[SNIP] Half? ... ... At least. And they insist that everyone speak their stupid language, under the theory that if you speak French, you are French. Now as it happens I can speak French passably, along with a few other languages. And French is the lamest way to communicate I know. No, I'm sorry, but I've lived there, and the French are the dirtiest, smelliest, most rude, most disagreeable people on Earth. And they've tried to eradicate the British heritage in Canada, and will likely succeed in time. Who pissed in your Corn Flakes this morning. Jeez. The way you describe French Canadians in Florida reminds me of how many Americans are described when they travel.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Oct 15, 2008 12:22 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said canadianguy35 said Red_Vespa saidHalf the Canadians are French. Does anyone really like the French? As we used to say when I lived in Europe: "Even the French hate the French." Aww Red be nice . Well, OK. Actually I like ordinary Canadians, spent a lot of time there, and lots of them visited across the border where I lived. Really a lot like Americans, even the same accent, except they say "eh" a lot. It's just those French Canadians I really dislike. And I go out of my way down here in Florida to annoy them, and make them feel unwelcome the same way they try to make me feel unwelcome in my own country. Idea: have a bumper sticker made that says "Frenchies go home" Quebec is approx one 5th of our population. Not half. But then again maybe while I was out back tending my sled and huskies or patching the roof on the igloo, there was a baby boom in the belle province I hadnt noticed. Gosh, will the wonders of the american education system ever cease to amaze....
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 12:25 AM GMT Quote SurrealLife said Who pissed in your Corn Flakes this morning. Jeez. The way you describe French Canadians in Florida reminds me of how many Americans are described when they travel. Come down to Florida before you second-guess me. No one here likes the French tourists, whether from Canada or France. They are disgusting, disagreeable, dirty, disrespectful and thoroughly dreadful.
SurrealLife Posts: 4931	Oct 15, 2008 12:28 AM GMT Quote I have been to Florida, and I know how the French Canadian tourists are viewed. However, if they decided to stop coming, the wailing and gnashing of teeth from native Floridians would be heard all the way to La Belle Province. Take a page out of the average Parisien's coping strategy with ugly Americans. Take their money and try not to complain too much about their boorishness and ignorance.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 12:36 AM GMT Quote hardcanadian said Quebec is approx one 5th of our population. Not half. True, but your French citizens claim half of your heritage and ancestry is French. Weren't you aware of that? Else why are you a bilingual country, and must read & speak French in all your public venues? You are more French than British, or hasn't that dawned on you yet?
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 12:41 AM GMT Quote SurrealLife saidI have been to Florida, and I know how the French Canadian tourists are viewed. However, if they decided to stop coming, the wailing and gnashing of teeth from native Floridians would be heard all the way to La Belle Province. Trust me, only a few places in Hollywood, FL, owned by French Canadians, would shed any tears. The French are reviled here. Germans, British, other Europeans, Asians, all are welcome, but the French are hated for their dishonest and nasty ways. They steal more than they contribute in revenues. No, the French are not wanted here, and I've been coming here for over 35 years, and this is not new.
SurrealLife Posts: 4931	Oct 15, 2008 12:45 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said hardcanadian said Quebec is approx one 5th of our population. Not half. True, but your French citizens claim half of your heritage and ancestry is French. Weren't you aware of that? Else why are you a bilingual country, and must read & speak French in all your public venues? You are more French than British, or hasn't that dawned on you yet? We are a bilingual country for the simple fact that we had two founding nations, France and England. The French were actually here far earlier but lost out to the British on the Plains of Abraham in 1759. Very few Canadians are fazed by signs in two languages, it makes our country more interesting. In countries such as Switzerland, three official languages exist if I remember correctly. I doubt if anyone that is of English descent is worried about their culture being "overwhelmed" by the French. The anxieties are on the French side, and for good reason.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 12:55 AM GMT Quote SurrealLife said I doubt if anyone that is of English descent is worried about their culture being "overwhelmed" by the French. The anxieties are on the French side, and for good reason. People of British decent are remarkably tranquil, for which I admire them. Those of French descent are much more aggressive, and so will eventually overpower the English speakers in Canada. That trend is clearly evident, as English as a language is continually marginalized in Canada, while French expands. You will be speaking nothing but French by the end of this century.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Oct 15, 2008 1:09 AM GMT Quote Wow. And these are people that live right next door. And have the responsibility of choosing the leader of the most potentially dangerous nation on Earth. It's gonna take more than a power-hum to cure this magnitude of ignorance. Maybe the world ought to cross its fingers behind its back and twirl round three times instead. Once again: Wow.
blink777 Posts: 499	Oct 15, 2008 1:13 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said hardcanadian said Quebec is approx one 5th of our population. Not half. True, but your French citizens claim half of your heritage and ancestry is French. Weren't you aware of that? Else why are you a bilingual country, and must read & speak French in all your public venues? You are more French than British, or hasn't that dawned on you yet? You're a fucking idiot. And yes, I've voted.
Vik83 Posts: 20	Oct 15, 2008 1:14 AM GMT Quote After reading Red Vespa comments one wonders why would any French hate Americans.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 1:18 AM GMT Quote blink777 said You're a fucking idiot. And yes, I've voted. Well, perhaps. And who mentioned voting? Canada will be speaking French before this century is out. Because people like you are clueless to what is happening in your own country.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 1:26 AM GMT Quote Aero saidWow. And these are people that live right next door. And have the responsibility of choosing the leader of the most potentially dangerous nation on Earth. It's gonna take more than a power-hum to cure this magnitude of ignorance. Maybe the world ought to cross their fingers behind their back and twirl round three times instead. Once again: Wow. Don't worry, the American Century is past. Whatever we do down here will be of increasingly little importance in world affairs. I have studied and taught world history. The dominance of the United States is waning; most historians agree with that. This may be the Century of China; it's too early to know, but all signs point that way. As for Canada, the more immediate topic here, it will become French, because the French have the dynamic force, whereas those of British descent have none. Seen from a distance, across the border, the trend is clear. Just as Americans cannot see their time has passed, neither can British Canadians.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Oct 15, 2008 1:28 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said Canada will be speaking French before this century is out. Because people like you are clueless to what is happening in your own country. What, I wonder, could possibly lead to such a large-scale demographic conversion? An acute ocean-to-ocean allergic reaction to the monumental tide of gross ignorance? Or just the language that it speaks?
blink777 Posts: 499	Oct 15, 2008 1:33 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa saidWell, perhaps. And who mentioned voting? The original post. The thing we were SUPPOSED to be talking about. Red_Vespa saidCanada will be speaking French before this century is out. Because people like you are clueless to what is happening in your own country. lol... just lol.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 1:35 AM GMT Quote Aero said Red_Vespa said Canada will be speaking French before this century is out. Because people like you are clueless to what is happening in your own country. What, I wonder, could possibly lead to such a large-scale demographic conversion? An acute ocean-to-ocean allergic reaction to the monumental tide of gross ignorance? Or just the language that it speaks? Because French Canadians want everyone to speak French, and you don't give a damn. That is always how change happens -- the motivated versus the detached.
Caslon8000 Posts: 8503	Oct 15, 2008 1:39 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said Don't worry, the American Century is past. Whatever we do down here will be of increasingly little importance in world affairs. I have studied and taught world history. The dominance of the United States is waning; most historians agree with that. This may be the Century of China; it's too early to know, but all signs point that way. As for Canada, the more immediate topic here, it will become French, because the French have the dynamic force, whereas those of British descent have none. Seen from a distance, across the border, the trend is clear. Just as Americans cannot see their time has passed, neither can British Canadians. The American Century has not passed. Your perspective is too short. Current events loom large. We are still the dynamo that runs the world. China will have to get thru the spasms in store for it as the middle class develops and demands a voice in the gov't. Also, realize the western provinces are muslim. Wait til they want out! Good books to get a grasp on where we are in the world: The Case for Goliath: How America Acts as the World's Government in the 21st Century, by Michael Mandelbaum The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad, by Fareed Zakaria The Post-American World, by Fareed Zakaria Empires of Trust: How Rome Built--and America Is Building--a New World, by Thomas F. Madden
Hidden/Deleted Member	Oct 15, 2008 1:40 AM GMT Quote thanks jms -yeah I got out today to vote...and am looking forward to the Greens electing someone to Parliament. other than that I'll take it as it comes. thanks caslon for taking an interest. I guess when there a billion dollars a day in business between canada and the usa it would be prudent to take an interest. in particular when your #1 energy supplier is canada. and to red_vespa you really are a sourpuss dude
Caslon8000 Posts: 8503	Oct 15, 2008 1:41 AM GMT Quote blink777 said Red_Vespa saidWell, perhaps. And who mentioned voting? The original post. The thing we were SUPPOSED to be talking about. I voted.....for Blink!!!!!
Caslon8000 Posts: 8503	Oct 15, 2008 1:44 AM GMT Quote
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 1:50 AM GMT Quote Caslon7000 said The American Century has not passed. Your perspective is too short. Current events loom large. We are still the dynamo that runs the world. America now runs much less. We are still a player, but not a decider. The citations you give are already obsolete, in the new economic reality. America has been passed by. The new powerhouse is China. It has the capital, the financial resources. the industrial capacity that the US now lacks. We are a consumer nation, but no longer a producer. The US must react to market forces it can no longer influence. Welcome to the 21st Century.
Delivis Posts: 520	Oct 15, 2008 2:01 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa saidHalf the Canadians are French. Does anyone really like the French? As we used to say when I lived in Europe: "Even the French hate the French." I lived along the Canadian border for 11 years. The French hate Americans. Now I live in South Florida, where French Canadians spend their Winters. They hate Americans down here, too, flaunt our laws, insult us to our faces. My greatest regret about global warming is that it'll prevent Canada from being covered by another glacial ice sheet. At least it may raise the ocean levels and drown the French along the Florida coastline. Maudit Anglais!
meninlove Posts: 1830	Oct 15, 2008 2:02 AM GMT Quote We voted. Held our noses and did the deed. Our French. Many wear chips on their shoulders, but many don't. We've met some wonderful people. Excessively kind. We've also met some that rolled our eyes as we thought of equally disagreeable things to say after listening to them go on and on and on. Here's a great one. A French Canadian at a party lamented endlessly about the fate of the Quebecois and how absolutely necessary separation was, and that he'd gladly fight for his 'country' (meaning against English Canada). After several drinks it became bellicose declarations of hell or the highway for us Westerners. Then someone meekly asked why he was living here in British Columbia. We thought he was going to implode! Amazingly, no one laughed. We both think the French language is in trouble because we have enormous influxes of Chinese here, so much so that this Province is letting them write their exams ( school) in Chinese! We have also opened a school, public, that is solely Mandarin speaking. Then we have our Urdu speakers and Japanese. The story in Eastern Canada is similar, with a large Vietnamese population in Quebec, and growing... Our French cousins are grappling with the knowledge that they all must learn English as they have a huge business partner to the South as well as the rest of Canada that uses English as the primary language in business. The Quebecois know their language is in trouble because many of the younger gens speak 'franglais' and the government there has introduced language police in an attempt to keep the language 'pure'. (Quebecois is NOT proper French as any Parisian will tell you) -us
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 2:05 AM GMT Quote Delivis said Maudit Anglais! Laissez les Français partir à l'enfer
meninlove Posts: 1830	Oct 15, 2008 2:17 AM GMT Quote Arrete de me nerve! Viarge! Sacrament! Tabarnak! ....OK, it's out of my system, whew! Guys, we can easily find extreme fault with every group, f'rinstance:. the rude French the crass American the agonizingly boring Canadian (hey, that's us!) the emotionless Chinese the maniacal middle eastern etc etc etc. ....so what?
Caslon8000 Posts: 8503	Oct 15, 2008 2:21 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said Caslon7000 said The American Century has not passed. Your perspective is too short. Current events loom large. We are still the dynamo that runs the world. America now runs much less. We are still a player, but not a decider. The citations you give are already obsolete, in the new economic reality. America has been passed by. The new powerhouse is China. It has the capital, the financial resources. the industrial capacity that the US now lacks. We are a consumer nation, but no longer a producer. The US must react to market forces it can no longer influence. Welcome to the 21st Century. Yeah, yeah.....you also see Canada going totally francophone for some inexplicable reason. ...pardonez moi while I ...
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 2:22 AM GMT Quote meninlove saidThe Quebecois know their language is in trouble because many of the younger gens speak 'franglais' and the government there has introduced language police in an attempt to keep the language 'pure'. Just as In France itself, where L'Académie française enforces strict compliance with purity, and expunges foreign words with ruthless dedication, especially those of English derivation. Whereas English accepts words from all languages, making it la nouvelle langue française, the ultimate irony for the pissy French.
meninlove Posts: 1830	Oct 15, 2008 2:40 AM GMT Quote Yes the English language does indeed accept words from all languages, which is why we think our country won't be entirely French speaking, and if so, then only in the context of being able to speak a second language, French and a third, Chinese (Cantonese, Mandarin etc), then a fourth, Urdu. Meanwhile Canadians will incorporate expressions of each into English. So the world goes round as we change and grow. Sorry to wax so dramatic! PS Red Vespa, have a consoling chuckle remembering that the French in Florida have to speak English to get by, and even know the local slang and pronunciation if they expect others to hold them up in the same esteem they seem to require.
jms84 Posts: 784	Oct 15, 2008 2:57 AM GMT Quote Vespa, you're a moron. if you think american tourists are any better than the average tourist, then ask yourself why so many backpackers from the US decide to put a Canadian flag on their packs. this province rocks, and ya, we like to make fun of other provinces, as do other provinces of us. as for your remark of the Quebecois "claiming" so much of our history is french... do some freaking research you tool. it didn't start on the west coast. and it certainly didn't start in the rich history of Florida.
Sean_85 Posts: 1259	Oct 15, 2008 2:59 AM GMT Quote Wow.. the way you diss the french reminds me of stupid people who generalize and hate on the jews, black people, even the homosexuals speak... Canada was settled by the French and English, its only fitting that French is our second language.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 3:00 AM GMT Quote meninlove said PS Red Vespa, have a consoling chuckle remembering that the French in Florida have to speak English to get by, and even know the local slang and pronunciation if they expect others to hold them up in the same esteem they seem to require. I've gone in French-owned bars in Florida, where I spoke French to order. But I've never been good at numbers in French, so when they tell me what the drink costs, I often get confused, and they snarl at me in English. It's nice to know the French can be abusive to me in both French & English, in my own country.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 3:06 AM GMT Quote Sean_85 saidWow.. the way you diss the french reminds me of stupid people who generalize and hate on the jews, black people, even the homosexuals speak... Canada was settled by the French and English, its only fitting that French is our second language. Second language? I think not. It's your equal language, by law. And before long your only language. Hope you're taking your French lessons.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Oct 15, 2008 3:19 AM GMT Quote red_vespa what's the point of you being here? Is your opinion on the Canadian election that important to you? Well it isn't to us. Take a hike.
jms84 Posts: 784	Oct 15, 2008 3:43 AM GMT Quote Vespa, i'm offended on 2 counts. 1) you've ruined my thread that clearly was here to use south park's satire of P. Diddy to lighten forums and bring to light that fact that Canada has elections too, yet it's barely spoken about. 2) As an Anglophone (english first language) that lives, and grew up in Quebec, the french "problem" as you seem to think it is, isn't what you describe. do a bit of research and come back to me.
meninlove Posts: 1830	Oct 15, 2008 3:46 AM GMT Quote Hey fogos, His opinions are his and we think everyone expresses theirs' here, so he's entitled too. Neither of us judge another group by its more notorious members, Red Vespa; there are as many great people (francophones), percentage-wise as in most other groups. Heck, if we judged RJ by some of what we've seen on the site, we'd be long gone. Bear in mind that the more difficult may congregate in areas where it seems apparent that ALL are the way you describe, but truly they're not.
surfsdown Posts: 177	Oct 15, 2008 3:54 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa, prior to reading your posts regarding this topic, I had a great deal of respect for your opinions in the forum. They are generally concise, relevant to the topic and reasonable. I'm sorry to say that this isn't the case anymore. You're very quick to judge the majority of French Canadians based on those that you see vacationing in Florida or to the servers that you had in Quebec. I've traveled to Quebec, and I've also worked in the food service industry in Ontario for five years where I interacted with many people from Quebec. The verdict? On average, people from Quebec were more polite to the people serving them food and drinks, they were more amiable than the average customer, and they tipped better than the average customer. Sure, there are rude people from Quebec. Just like there are rude people everywhere. And this ridiculous notion of Canada becoming a French-speaking nation? I'm not going to repeat the history lessons that others have given in this topic because I don't feel it will accomplish anything. But saying that the French language will overtake English as the primary language simply because the French-Canadians are more pushy about their language being spoken? That is overly simplistic. Anyone living in Canada can understand the folly of this notion. And thanks for the voting reminder, although I got it a bit late.
dancerjack Posts: 1300	Oct 15, 2008 4:01 AM GMT Quote mais, j'adore les français... pourqoui est-ce que tu les haïs? je ne comprends pas la raison d'être si méchant en ce que tu as choisi à écrire, red_vespa... les gens français ne sont pas ceux qui ont décidé à creer toutes nos problèmes, ni ici en nos propres pays, ni entre les autres gens du monde... je me demande s'il se passerait mieux à penser avant de parler?
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 4:08 AM GMT Quote jms84 saidVespa, i'm offended on 2 counts. 1) you've ruined my thread that clearly was here to use south park's satire of P. Diddy to lighten forums and bring to light that fact that Canada has elections too, yet it's barely spoken about. 2) As an Anglophone (english first language) that lives, and grew up in Quebec, the french "problem" as you seem to think it is, isn't what you describe. do a bit of research and come back to me. 1. You got plenty of attention about Canadian elections, as you wished. 2. Canada is bi-lingual, per your Constitution. Your debates for the upcoming election are required to be in both English and French, in which the candidates must be equally proficient. Have you not been watching the TV? I've predicted that Canada will eventually be a French-only speaking nation, because the French will force this upon the rest of the country. The English speakers don't have the balls to resist it. That is my opinion. You may disagree with it, but I think there are sound reasons for believing it will happen. Your belief that it is unlikely is exactly why I think it is inevitable. The unresisting are always the victims of the driven.
canadianguy35 Posts: 102	Oct 15, 2008 4:10 AM GMT Quote Can't we all just get along?! Everyone has their opinions, lets just leave it at that, no reason to go about flaming eachother. dancerjack saidmais, j'adore les français... pourqoui est-ce que tu les haïs? je ne comprends pas la raison d'être si méchant en ce que tu as choisi à écrire, red_vespa... les gens français ne sont pas ceux qui ont décidé à creer toutes nos problèmes, ni ici en nos propres pays, ni entre les autres gens du monde... je me demande s'il se passerait mieux à penser avant de parler? You just keep getting hotter and hotter every day... now I wish I had stuck with those French courses in highschool!
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 4:13 AM GMT Quote dancerjack saidmais, j'adore les français... pourqoui est-ce que tu les haïs? je ne comprends pas la raison d'être si méchant en ce que tu as choisi à écrire, red_vespa... les gens français ne sont pas ceux qui ont décidé à creer toutes nos problèmes, ni ici en nos propres pays, ni entre les autres gens du monde... je me demande s'il se passerait mieux à penser avant de parler? Je déteste les Français parce qu'ils détestent chacun qui ne parle pas français. Ils ne désirent chacun pour parler français, et rien autrement.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 4:27 AM GMT Quote surfsdown saidYou're very quick to judge the majority of French Canadians based on those that you see vacationing in Florida or to the servers that you had in Quebec. Yes, a good part of my vitriol is based on the revolting Quebecois I see here in Florida. Someone above mentioned ugly Americans; they have nothing on the ugly Canadians from Quebec. I have never met a French Canadian here who wasn't rude and troublesome. We Floridians joke about them, because they are always obnoxious. But you are incorrect in your reference to servers in Quebec. Rather, they were in Toronto, Winnipeg and Vancouver, all French and all detestable. And not servers, actually, just casual encounters. The French are French, wherever you meet them, and never a pleasant experience.
meninlove Posts: 1830	Oct 15, 2008 4:33 AM GMT Quote This is great! Thanks to Quebec voters, we have a minority government without a blank cheque to do whatever they want. This is wonderful news, as a minority government means parties have to have open dialogue with each other and get along. It will require more than one party agreeing for things to happen. Yes! Thanks Quebec! -us
Tiran Posts: 72	Oct 15, 2008 4:38 AM GMT Quote Have you ever bothered to visit the rest of Canada Vespa? While all Federal Gov't publications and services must be available in both languages (and in New Bruinswick, provincial services, because its the only province that is officially bilingual). The executive level and higher in gov't need to speak both, but the vast majority of the population is complacently unilingual. Unless they are immigrants, and most of them aren't bilingual in french. Those of us of a more liberal mindset make an effort to learn french, but rarely bother to acheive fluency. Thats the extent of french outside Quebec. Which is why they are so militant. They are loosing by sheer population and no matter how hard the gov't of Quebec tries they are really only delaying the inveitable. Sounds like your just pissy because the pretty french boys in Quebec rejected you, maybe because of your attitude? I know my attempts at french in the bars got me free drinks and lots of attention, no rudness. In fact they were a damn site more polite than the american servers I dealt with in the Pacific Northwest. I won't even comment about the American tourists I saw when I was in Europe.
surfsdown Posts: 177	Oct 15, 2008 5:06 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said surfsdown saidYou're very quick to judge the majority of French Canadians based on those that you see vacationing in Florida or to the servers that you had in Quebec. The French are French, wherever you meet them, and never a pleasant experience. That is a hateful and ignorant comment. I can see now why you have probably received such a chilly reception from the French. Perhaps they can feel ignorance emanating from you when you are near?
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 5:08 AM GMT Quote Tiran said Sounds like your just pissy because the pretty french boys in Quebec rejected you, maybe because of your attitude? I know my attempts at french in the bars got me free drinks and lots of attention, no rudness. In fact they were a damn site more polite than the american servers I dealt with in the Pacific Northwest. I won't even comment about the American tourists I saw when I was in Europe. You're wrong on a number of counts. I haven't been to Quebec in 40 years. I've lived along the Canadian border for 16 years, often going up to Winnipeg, and also to Vancouver and Victoria when I was in Seattle for a number of years. I've motorcycled all through Canada, and I know the Pacific NW extremely well. I also saw fellow Americans when I lived for several years in Europe, and they were often an embarrassment for me. Making that comparison does not alter the fact that French Canadians are the most despicable visitors we have here in Florida, by popular acclaim. I speak fair French, that was adequate in France itself, and I speak German, too, but not Canadian French. I was always insulted in French places here in South Florida, because I do not speak Quebecois.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 5:17 AM GMT Quote surfsdown said That is a hateful and ignorant comment. I can see now why you have probably received such a chilly reception from the French. Perhaps they can feel ignorance emanating from you when you are near? And what exactly is your experience of the world? Have you lived in Europe, that you know how unpleasant the French are? And that their negative reputation is widespread, not a matter of my personal opinion?
Hidden/Deleted Member	Oct 15, 2008 5:23 AM GMT Quote red vespa says, "And what exactly is your experience of the world? Have you lived in Europe, that you know how unpleasant the French are? And that their negative reputation is widespread, not a matter of my personal opinion"? do you know unpleasant you are?
surfsdown Posts: 177	Oct 15, 2008 5:24 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said surfsdown said The French are French, wherever you meet them, and never a pleasant experience. That is a hateful and ignorant comment. I can see now why you have probably received such a chilly reception from the French. Perhaps they can feel ignorance emanating from you when you are near? And what exactly is your experience of the world? Have you lived in Europe, that you know how unpleasant the French are? And that their negative reputation is widespread, not a matter of my personal opinion? No, I've never lived in France or been to Europe. My sister did have an exchange student from France though, who was wonderful. My sister then lived in France for three months, and had a great time. Much more good than bad to speak of. But I'm not saying that all French people are good or bad, rude or polite. My problem is with your ridiculous belief that ALL French people are rude. You ask me about my experience of the world? Who the hell says your experience with a relatively small number of the French accurately represents them? I am certainly not arrogant enough to believe that simply because the vast majority of my encounters with French people, both from Europe and from Quebec, have been positive, that all French people are happy, polite, pleasant people. And, statistically speaking, the chances of every French person you meet being as rude as you describe them, is near impossible. Unless, however, something in YOUR demeanor influenced them to behave in such a manner. So the gist is what I'm saying is that you shouldn't generalize about the French, or anyone, based simply on your own experience.
Hidden/Deleted Member	Oct 15, 2008 5:26 AM GMT Quote Red Vespa.......uve failed. Im astounded that you were/are a world history teacher. For the amount of ignorance and unsupported comments you've made about Canada, id hope the powers that be remove you from any educational institution. You my friend are what cause the Americans i worked with this summer to believe, amongst a plethora of other idiotic facts, that we dont have our own currency / provinces instead of states / our capital city / which oceans border us / if we have malls, toasters, regular houses, etc etc etc etc. Basically, i need you to start from the inside and work out, educate yourself, then attempt others, then try to express intelligence in a forum. Enjoy your day!!
Delivis Posts: 520	Oct 15, 2008 5:27 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said surfsdown said That is a hateful and ignorant comment. I can see now why you have probably received such a chilly reception from the French. Perhaps they can feel ignorance emanating from you when you are near? And what exactly is your experience of the world? Have you lived in Europe, that you know how unpleasant the French are? And that their negative reputation is widespread, not a matter of my personal opinion? I have lived in Europe, and i currently live in Canada. It is true that there is a well known stereotype about "The French" (your phrasing of that alone raises huge red flags), but i have found very few people in my travels who give any credence to this stereotype. Gays have a very widespread "bad reputation" - to use your words - and even allegedly are all in on a mass "gay agenda" to spread our cooties and radical-left liberal views on kids, not entirely unlike "The French" which are, as you say, trying to force everyone in Canada to speak French. If you do not respect the same argument coming from some gay-bashing homophobe i do not see how you can make the exact same sort of argument yourself and think it holds any weight. Oh and the notion that one day Canadians will all be speaking French and only French is beyond absurd. I have not met a single francophone who thinks anything remotely close to that let alone any Canadian.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 5:28 AM GMT Quote fogos saiddo you know unpleasant you are? No, why don't you tell me from your anti-American Canadian viewpoint?
Hidden/Deleted Member	Oct 15, 2008 5:41 AM GMT Quote nuff said
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 5:43 AM GMT Quote surfsdown said No, I've never lived in France or been to Europe. My sister did have an exchange student from France though... Ah, an expert on the subject.
skotjockmi Posts: 126	Oct 15, 2008 5:51 AM GMT Quote From one who lives NORTH of Canada (yes, look at the map, Detroit actually sits North of Windsor), I'm very happy to be so close to the Canucks. It's a good reminder to keep up on what's happening across the river. I followed the election a bit. I have to say that I'm not surprised by the results. Simply judging by their websites and updates it seemed like Harper had a much more focused campaign. Dion seemed all over the place and I didn't look too much into the NDP, BLOC, or Green Party. In Windsor it looks like the NDP won. Good for them. Thank you to whomever above posted about Canada being our #1 trading partner for oil... in OUR elections we keep talking about all of this foreign oil we buy from countries that hate us all the while our largest provider far and above anyone else is our friendly Canadian neighbors. In Michigan we directly benefit from such close ties to Canada. A bridge, and two tunnels (1 Train and 1 car) and serious talk about a second bridge deomonstrates how much traffic goes back and forth here everyday.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 5:56 AM GMT Quote rowerboy saidYou my friend are what cause the Americans i worked with this summer to believe, amongst a plethora of other idiotic facts, that we dont have our own currency / provinces instead of states / our capital city / which oceans border us / if we have malls, toasters, regular houses, etc etc etc etc. 1. You are not "my friend." 2. What are you rambling about provinces, capitals (sic), and oceans? I wrote nothing about those. I am fully aware of Canada's geographic and political facts. Your summer coworkers have nothing to do with me.
BioMatty Posts: 439	Oct 15, 2008 6:19 AM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said fogos saiddo you know unpleasant you are? No, why don't you tell me from your anti-American Canadian viewpoint? I think this has more to do with a xenophobic american than an anti-american canadian.
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 6:56 AM GMT Quote BioMatty said I think this has more to do with a xenophobic american than an anti-american canadian. Or a xenophobic Canadian perhaps? I've never encountered a Canadian online who had anything good to say about the US. Lots of criticism about our elections, about our people, about our lifestyle, plenty to say about things that don't concern them. Comments aplenty, but gawd help someone who isn't complimentary of Canada or Canadians.
BioMatty Posts: 439	Oct 15, 2008 7:08 AM GMT Quote Yes, well when a country meddles in global affairs to the extent that the US does...it opens the door to criticism from all sides. Your sweeping generalization about Canada is JUST as ignorant as the sweeping generalization that all homosexuals are degenerate and wrong. I honestly don't care what you think Vespa - while there are all sorts of cutting remarks to make, it's just not worth the effort. Go ahead and hate on canadians, and attack us if you'd like, but no matter how you spin this it still puts you RIGHT down there with your redneck hick contemporaries that think all arabs are terrorists. GG
surfsdown Posts: 177	Oct 15, 2008 7:11 AM GMT Quote red, your anecdotal evidence is transparent and weak. So you've never met a Canadian online that speaks well of American lifestyle, politics, etc? Since you simply chose not to respond to the bulk of my last post, I'll bring statistics back into this. How many Canadians have you spoke to online? How do you know that those are representative of the Canadian population? Did you use random sampling to select them? Obviously not. You have nothing but your own narrow-minded comments to back up your points, and each of those is weaker than the last. Your responses are condescending, very much the all-knowing teacher speaking to the not-so-bright student; how do you expect people to respond?
Sean_85 Posts: 1259	Oct 15, 2008 7:15 AM GMT Quote This thread is so beyond fu*ked up... It makes me wanna vom.. on a lighter note.. YAY Minority Government!!
BioMatty Posts: 439	Oct 15, 2008 7:17 AM GMT Quote Boo minority government.
surfsdown Posts: 177	Oct 15, 2008 7:20 AM GMT Quote I was hoping for a Liberal win, but I think that Harper will do an okay job.
SurrealLife Posts: 4931	Oct 15, 2008 12:48 PM GMT Quote Canadians spent $275 million dollars so that we could end up at the same place we were before the election was called. The only good that may come out of this election is the resignation of the Liberal leader and the selection of a leader that will not lose votes every time he opens his mouth. Now I am going back to honing my French speaking skills, I want to be prepared for Red Vespa's future.
Delivis Posts: 520	Oct 15, 2008 1:10 PM GMT Quote Red_Vespa said BioMatty said I think this has more to do with a xenophobic american than an anti-american canadian. Or a xenophobic Canadian perhaps? I've never encountered a Canadian online who had anything good to say about the US. Lots of criticism about our elections, about our people, about our lifestyle, plenty to say about things that don't concern them. Comments aplenty, but god help someone who isn't complimentary of Canada or Canadians. I am a Canadian who routinely says a lot of good things about the US (quite often along with a critisim or two), and i have ansolutely no trouble with anyone saying something non-complimentary of Canada, as long as they have some sort of grip on reality when it comes to the subject, which you clearly do not.
meninlove Posts: 1830	Oct 15, 2008 1:23 PM GMT Quote Hmmm.... we've never said anything bad about the US either, that we can think of, other than our example above of how easy it is to generalize. We have, however, criticized our own Canada rather severely.
jms84 Posts: 784	Oct 15, 2008 1:34 PM GMT Quote Red_Vespa 2. Canada is bi-lingual, per your Constitution. Your debates for the upcoming election are required to be in both English and French, in which the candidates must be equally proficient. Have you not been watching the TV? how terrible... how could a country ever hope to be respected when it can be run in 2 languages. tsk tsk tsk.. when will we learn?
Caslon8000 Posts: 8503	Oct 15, 2008 1:43 PM GMT Quote Isnt this like Harper's "third kick at the can" without achieving a majority? ....might there be a "Thatcher Moment" coming up by others in his party?
Red_Vespa Posts: 2126	Oct 15, 2008 2:19 PM GMT Quote surfsdown saidRed_Vespa, prior to reading your posts regarding this topic, I had a great deal of respect for your opinions in the forum. They are generally concise, relevant to the topic and reasonable. Thank you, but you'd be about the only one who did, assuming you aren't just giving false praise so you can then take it away. I rarely even get a recognition for the hundreds of posts I've made, and then it would be as an attack. Or hate email, so that I have to block the sender. I'm dropping this thread now, but it was interesting for once to actually have a "back & forth" going for a while, rather than just posting stuff that nobody acknowledges.
Delivis Posts: 520	Oct 15, 2008 9:09 PM GMT Quote jms84 said Red_Vespa 2. Canada is bi-lingual, per your Constitution. Your debates for the upcoming election are required to be in both English and French, in which the candidates must be equally proficient. Have you not been watching the TV? how terrible... how could a country ever hope to be respected when it can be run in 2 languages. tsk tsk tsk.. when will we learn? At least we are not as bad as the Dutch who know FOUR languages! For Shame!
jms84 Posts: 784	Oct 15, 2008 9:31 PM GMT Quote DOWN WITH MULTI-LINGUALS
Stig Posts: 9	Oct 16, 2008 12:17 PM GMT Quote Wow, here I thought I would be reading a thread about voting and all, and now all I can read is people dissing French Canadian (or Quebecois, specifically) and people telling the first that they are dumbasses. I'd have to agree with the second group though, being Quebecois and all ;) No we're not going to take over the world by insisting on people speaking French. Quebecois people are very kind and welcoming for the most part, but as in every other nation there is, we have our lot of biggots. I never thought some of our fellow English-speaking North Americans were THAT ignorant... Especially on this website, seeing that we all are already in a minority position (being gay vs. being straight) and that should make us more tolerant to other cultures/ethnicities/languages/etc. C'était mon opinion. P.S. Minority government, a small consolation for what a Conservative government with majority could have done to regress us back to the Dark Ages.
roadbikeRob Posts: 396	Oct 18, 2008 3:01 PM GMT Quote I am no expert on Canada or things Canadian, but I cannot believe the ignorance and bigotry being expressed towards the French Canadians in general. Not all Quebecois natives are arrogant, unfriendly, and cold hearted. There are a lot of Quebecois natives that are the total opposite, friendly, down-to-earth, and compassionate. Just like there are a lot of French nationals in France that are also very caring and down-to-earth. Hey French Canadian men are super hot and very masculine. They are not conservative, boring prudes that is for damn sure. I remember back in the summer of 1988 when I lived in Wildwood, New Jersey I have fond memories of the hot French Canadian men suntanning and walking around the beach in their speedos. Hell many of them would ride their motorcycles in nothing more than a speedo and tee shirt. All the narrow-minded bigots from Philadelphia would be making ethnic slurs against them and calling them faggots and frogs. I think that it is the English speaking majority that needs to be more open minded of other people and their languages. We need to stop acting and thinking like a bunch of Archie Bunkers.

Hidden/Deleted Member	Oct 18, 2008 4:01 PM GMT Quote well the french have been coming to north america since the early 1600's and explored a heck of alot of territory. my ancestors came to quebec in the late 1600's. roadbikerob says, "Hey French Canadian men are super hot and very masculine". c'est vrai, merci beaucoup. thanks Rob

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