My thoughts on Christianity: Being Raised as a Christian

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    Mar 27, 2013 6:23 PM GMT
    Personally, being raised as a Christian since I was 4 has led me to become an atheist in my adult life, or atleast.. I still kind of believe in God but not necessarily religion itself.

    Last week my philosophy professor said the same thing, that he was born a Catholic but he grew out of it when he got in college. He said that being born or raised into a religion, ironically, is one of the ways to not become religious, and I have to agree with him. I know this doesn't apply to everyone who was born/raised into a religion, but I've seen a lot of ex-Christians who just 'grew out of it'. Maybe it's because when we were young, we didn't choose to be a Christian, we were forced. Well, forced is a harsh word.. I guess we were involuntarily brought into Christianity.

    I think college has a lot to do with it as well. Whenever I'm in a science class I can't help but wonder the contradictions in the bible. Theory of evolution, to be precise. Science says the world is over 4 billion years old, but the bible says it's only about 4 thousand. See the huge gap?

    Not only that, growing up I've witnessed so much hypocricy in the Christian world. I've seen it not only through other people, but my own family as well. Some of them are the nastiest creatures in real life, but when they're in church, they act like they're the purest, most innocent pieces of shit out there.
    Oh and they can be extremely judgemental too (*cough* being gay is a terrible sin and you'll go to hell). They'll tell you that faggots will burn in hell but at the same time preach about how you shouldn't judge other people and 'treat them as you want to be treated by them'. Honestly, pure BS.

    It's sad and frustrating that I think this way because not all Christians are bad.. And it's not like being a Christian is such a BAD thing; it teaches you morals and how to be a decent human being. I don't hate religion- but I dislike the hypocrites in them. And yeah being gay doesn't help either, can't go a day without being reminded that I'll go to hell because I'm a fag. Smh.


    P.S: this is my first post on this forum. Sorry if I offended anyone with my post, just felt like ranting for a bit :/
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    Mar 27, 2013 8:38 PM GMT
    At age 11 i had an argument with my sunday school teacher over almost everything that she had said that day. I made a list of "facts" that were something you could look up, and told her that she was simply WRONG, her "wrongness" was not only pathetic, but easily proven. I told her that she had no qualifications to be teaching disprovable facts and that she should resign. She told me she was an adult and I was a kid and that I should listen to her.

    I rebutted that I found it inexcusable that I, as an 11 year old, was already both smarter and more educated than her and that I should be allowed to take over the teaching of her class if I could prove her wrong on the list of items she had claimed I was wrong about since, I was more of an adult than her, and she should be fired for gross incompetence.


    I hauled in most of my set of encyclopaedia books and used them to DISPROVE everything that she had claimed to be true and said that she was an idiot to dispute facts with someone who had actually educated themselves.

    I no longer had to go to church after that...which was the entire goal of the argument.

    By grade 3 I had refused to stand and listen to the lord's prayer in my elementary school (being an atheist even then - and old enough that that crap still happened) which got me hauled to the principal's office for "disobediance" at which point I hauled out Matthew 6:6 and told him that not only I was never going to do it, but because god had FORBID EVERYONE from praying in public that the entire tradition had to be stopped immediately as blasphemy.

    He walked me back to class told the bitch of a teacher that I was "CORRECT" and that I could do whatever I wanted.


    Religion is fun if you actually read the source material and use it wisely. It is useful to understand history and art, but it serves no actual purpose in modern life.
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    Mar 28, 2013 3:08 AM GMT
    I see the other side. I see men and women who are killed because of their belief in Jesus. I've read of Roman royalty and simple servants in the same household being fed to wild animals and tortured beyond what a human can take, because the wouldn't renounce a man called Jesus they called their God. Something, something very radical, happened in their life to give their own life for this man. This same testament is happening in Muslim countries today.
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    Mar 28, 2013 3:26 AM GMT
    ...and speaking of evolution...
    Let's get this straight, evolution is a perfect example of “If you say something long enough, people will believe it.” It’s so widely accepted because it’s taught to us at such a young age. It’s so ingrained in our society, theory has turned into fact.
    Evolution states that organisms adapt to their environment via natural selection, but natural selection is an oxymoron. What or who chooses which traits will be beneficial? If it’s a case of trial and error over eons of time, there should be mass graveyards of what’s left of transitional junk animals that just couldn’t cut it. Instead we have a handfull of questionable bones that evolutionists trot out like it’s the second coming. They say it’s EXACTLY because of those long eons you won’t find the graveyards, but the massive amount of time natural selection supposedly needed to work it’s magic doesn’t matter because you still have to explain the theory as coming from randomness. Randomness begets chaos no matter the timeframe and only consciousness can manipulate matter and reverse chaos.
    Former evolutionists and scientists like Phillip Skell, Stephen Meyers, and Henry Schaefer, who have embraced Intelligent Design, have gone through a nightmare of vicious personal attacks from the science community; yet their credentials are never questioned, why? because they’re impeccable. From the media, however, you get the idea that all I.D. believers are from the backwoods of Arkansas. I hate how evolution has become such a stumbling block to people’s faith when it really doesn’t need to be. Extinct, before unknown, primates and extinct lemur-type animals does not evolution make.

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    Mar 28, 2013 3:44 AM GMT
    You're like me OP, you got Jesus at a young age and you put Him through the ringer with a spoiled brat soul. We don't deserve Him, not when people are being outcasts from their family, put to death, suffering through all kinds of Hell because of what we take for granted.

    I can't judge, I know this truth and I turned my back on it.
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    Mar 28, 2013 6:26 AM GMT
    “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.” -Gandhi.

    I have the same feeling as Gandhi had...
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    Mar 28, 2013 7:37 AM GMT
    FranciscoC saidYou're like me OP, you got Jesus at a young age and you put it Him through the ringer with a spoiled brat soul, we don't deserve Him, not when people are being outcasts from their family, put to death, suffering through all kinds of Hell because of what we take for granted.

    I can't judge, I know this truth and I turned my back on it.


    I'm not too sure on what you're trying to say here.. care to clarify?

    Oh and the 'ex-gay' testimonials in my church don't help either. Makes me feel like crap everytime. Rarely happens though, but when it does it stings. That's why I haven't gone to church in a while now, instead of feeling welcomed I feel very uncomfortable sometimes.
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    Mar 29, 2013 1:06 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said^^^ Oh brother, lol. I'm surprised to hear this crap from you. icon_lol.gif

    It's time to face facts: evolution IS God's way. There's nothing that prevents someone from having whatever relationship they want to with Christianity and the Bible AND believing in what is obviously true. Evolution is NOT a theory as in "I have a theory why hipsters have tattoos", it's pretty undeniable. At that point, are you going to believe humans writing a book 2000 years ago with the knowledge they had at the time, or realize that they did pretty damn good (considering it would have been like explaining quantum physics to a 5yo). If you look at Genesis as a metaphor rather than science, there really isn't any conflict.

    Anyway, I think it the height of arrogance for humans to define God in their own image as someone they can comprehend. If there is a God, and he is infinite and omnipresent, I'm certainly no more capable of "understanding Him" than an ant is capable of understanding my concerns. That's where religion falls flat to me. Not a terribly smart God, if he created thousands of religions and only one is "true"....not a terribly kind God if he'll only accept good-living people who chose the right religion and sends to "hell" all other good-living people who didn't. I choose to believe that if there is God (and I don't believe in a God like the Christian version), He's more interested in the "good-living" part than which sect you belonged to. And if He isn't, and He's just given us free will as a trap and the whole thing is just a trick question: "ya shoulda chose the Catholic Jesus, dummy", then I can't say I'm all that impressed....that's not a God I'd care to worship, frankly.

    I'm living my life the way I believe is virtuous. I'd rather stand before some judgment accepting that "if I made mistakes, *I* made them, and made them honestly" than simply point to some [pedophile] priest and cop out with "ditto...whatever that guy said....I just followed him blindly."

    I'm agnostic....I just don't think I'm smart enough or have enough information to define God, and I don't think anyone else is either, so I don't believe in any religion. But it doesn't stop me from living by the tenets of the Bible or the teachings of Jesus Christ --the lessons are good. But much of the Bible is perverted by thousands of years of human bias; I seek to see beyond and through all of that rather than be crippled by the illogic of it all.

    I'm still on my 2 day bender, but I'll talk about this. Baby, evolution within a species is a proven and beautiful fact, it's a mechanism that was put in a creation to survive, now, if you're going to carry that to a macro jump of one spiecies becoming another, that's wrong on all kinds of level.
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    Mar 29, 2013 1:13 AM GMT
    Also hon, you seem to think that a God is better if he's an impersonable and unknowning. What if that God had a Name who lived and died amoung men 2 thou years ago? A man who reached out with His own death to save us?
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    Mar 31, 2013 4:28 AM GMT
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    FranciscoC saidYou're like me OP, you got Jesus at a young age and you put it Him through the ringer with a spoiled brat soul, we don't deserve Him, not when people are being outcasts from their family, put to death, suffering through all kinds of Hell because of what we take for granted.

    I can't judge, I know this truth and I turned my back on it.


    I'm not too sure on what you're trying to say here.. care to clarify?

    Oh and the 'ex-gay' testimonials in my church don't help either. Makes me feel like crap everytime. Rarely happens though, but when it does it stings. That's why I haven't gone to church in a while now, instead of feeling welcomed I feel very uncomfortable sometimes.

    Just because I'm gay doesn't mean I should leave the Bible at the door. Whether I live that truth in my life doesn't take away from it being a truth. I can't drive in this point hard enough, NOTHING in the Bible condemns homosexualiity outside of rape, exploitation or idolatry. Shoot me an e-mail if you want a clearer clarification of anything I've said or you don't get.
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    Mar 31, 2013 9:41 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    FranciscoC saidAlso hon, you seem to think that a God is better if he's an impersonable and unknowning. What if that God had a Name who lived and died amoung men 2 thou years ago? A man who reached out with His own death to save us?

    What if he's a spaghetti monster that lives in the sky? icon_confused.gif

    The "what if" argument really isn't much of one. icon_neutral.gif

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    And the spaghetti monster 'bit' is? The thing with many people is that they don't understand the differance between organized religion and just simple people who have a belief in God who sustains them in a simple, but sometimes, powerfull way in this life.