Obama-Biden vrs Mcaine-Palin some things to ponder (non partisan)

  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Oct 14, 2008 11:26 PM GMT
    Guys,

    When you make your decisions for the Nov 4 election please try to be objective and ask the following questions;

    Which candidates come closest to your own views on the world?

    When comparing experience vrs rhetoric, do you Agree with what the experienced man did? Do you like his past record?

    Which do you feel will make the Country/world better by the things they say, the direction they seem to indicate they will take the country?

    Which appears to have your issues at heart? (like equality for gay people or your ethnic minority or financial status)

    Try to evaluate each on how you see them 2-3 years from now and what they may or may not accomplish.


    OK open for discussion:

    Let's hear some opinions.
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    Oct 15, 2008 1:22 AM GMT
    TallGWMvballer saidGuys,

    When you make your decisions for the Nov 5 election please try to be objective and ask the following questions;

    Which candidates come closest to your own views on the world?

    When comparing experience vrs rhetoric, do you Agree with what the experienced man did? Do you like his past record?

    Which do you feel will make the Country/world better by the things they say, the direction they seem to indicate they will take the country?

    Which appears to have your issues at heart? (like equality for gay people or your ethnic minority or financial status)

    Try to evaluate each on how you see them 2-3 years from now and what they may or may not accomplish.


    OK open for discussion:

    Let's hear some opinions.


    Umm...if you go to the poll on Nov. 5th...you're in trouble. Psssstttt....election day is Nov 4th.
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    Oct 15, 2008 2:33 AM GMT
    Hm, let's see:

    Angry old man, representing a party whose guiding principle is Being Seriously Pissed Off

    vs.

    ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING ELSE.

    Gee, now ask a hard one.
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    Oct 15, 2008 6:07 AM GMT
    Somebody e-mailed me a list like this but much longer asking about how you feel about different issues, and at the end your score gets totaled up and it tells you who you're most likely gonna vote for. I came up aligned with Obama, which is cool. Then I sent it to a bunch of republican buds of mine, and all but one said they came up aligned with Obama too. BUT, each one still said they were STILL gonna vote McCain!!!! WTF??? I DON'T GET IT!!!!
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    Oct 15, 2008 6:19 AM GMT
    Ottrdoomee saidSomebody e-mailed me a list like this but much longer asking about how you feel about different issues, and at the end your score gets totaled up and it tells you who you're most likely gonna vote for. I came up aligned with Obama, which is cool. Then I sent it to a bunch of republican buds of mine, and all but one said they came up aligned with Obama too. BUT, each one still said they were STILL gonna vote McCain!!!! WTF??? I DON'T GET IT!!!!


    Wow... that seriously is f***** up... and quite sad. icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 15, 2008 6:38 AM GMT
    I would still vote for McCain, though I have not seen your list of questions in a complete form.

    This is the first election since Clinton, who I did vote for, that I might even consider voting for a Democrat.

    I would love to see all the questions and how they are posed, because that makes a huge difference.

    I do not always vote for what is best for me. I vote what I believe is best for the country. Hopefully, in the long run it will be best for me, but I vote based on my principles.

    I wish McCain was for gay rights, and I would love the tax cuts and free health care that I would get from Obama, but I can't vote against my principles just because it would be better for me in the short term.

    Now, if Obama supported gay marriage.....? But, alas, he does not. But that would be tempting.

    JW
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    Oct 16, 2008 12:40 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidI would still vote for McCain, though I have not seen your list of questions in a complete form.

    This is the first election since Clinton, who I did vote for, that I might even consider voting for a Democrat.

    I would love to see all the questions and how they are posed, because that makes a huge difference.

    I do not always vote for what is best for me. I vote what I believe is best for the country. Hopefully, in the long run it will be best for me, but I vote based on my principles.

    I wish McCain was for gay rights, and I would love the tax cuts and free health care that I would get from Obama, but I can't vote against my principles just because it would be better for me in the short term.

    Now, if Obama supported gay marriage.....? But, alas, he does not. But that would be tempting.

    JW


    Obama is against gay marriage, but is not against civil unions. He realizes that marriage is a religious institution and that it's up to the church if they wish to perform a same-sex ceremony, however, he doesn't believe that should stop gay couples from receiving governmental benefits of marriage. That way he kills two birds with one stone....the religious folks can't say shit, because they can keep their bigotry, and the gay people still get what they need.

    Here you go:

    Obama Supports Complete Repeal of DOMA.
    Obama believes we need to fully repeal the
    Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation
    that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal
    rights and benefits currently provided on the
    basis of marital status are extended to samesex
    couples in civil unions and other legally recognized
    relationships.

    McCain however: McCain Continues to Defend DOMA. McCain
    voted for passage of the Defense of Marriage
    Act in 1996, which denies federal legal rights
    and benefits to same‚Äźsex couples, and he
    continues to defend that discriminatory law to
    this day.

    Read it yourself: http://obama.3cdn.net/9bbadf2e4222f1de03_5humvyu4s.pdf
  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Oct 16, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
    In2Lectual said,

    "Umm...if you go to the poll on Nov. 5th...you're in trouble. Psssstttt....election day is Nov 4th. "


    hahah THANK YOU!


  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Oct 16, 2008 4:14 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidI would still vote for McCain, though I have not seen your list of questions in a complete form.

    This is the first election since Clinton, who I did vote for, that I might even consider voting for a Democrat.

    I would love to see all the questions and how they are posed, because that makes a huge difference.

    I do not always vote for what is best for me. I vote what I believe is best for the country. Hopefully, in the long run it will be best for me, but I vote based on my principles.

    I wish McCain was for gay rights, and I would love the tax cuts and free health care that I would get from Obama, but I can't vote against my principles just because it would be better for me in the short term.

    Now, if Obama supported gay marriage.....? But, alas, he does not. But that would be tempting.

    JW


    What are your principles that make you prefer MaCaine?
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    Ottrdoomee saidSomebody e-mailed me a list like this but much longer asking about how you feel about different issues, and at the end your score gets totaled up and it tells you who you're most likely gonna vote for. I came up aligned with Obama, which is cool. Then I sent it to a bunch of republican buds of mine, and all but one said they came up aligned with Obama too. BUT, each one still said they were STILL gonna vote McCain!!!! WTF??? I DON'T GET IT!!!!


    They're closet Democrats?
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    Oct 16, 2008 5:36 PM GMT
    The last time a Democratic President tried to 'help' gay people we wound up with both DOMA and Don't Ask, Don't Tell. I would have preferred President Clinton had just left us alone.

    As for Senator Obama, he says he is for civil unions, and we need to act to fully repeal DOMA and enact legislation to make marriage = civil unions.

    That leaves it up to the congress which I don't believe will pass it.

    Senator Obama could on day one as President
    Order the IRS to treat legally married gay couples to be recognized as such on their federal tax forms
    Order the Justice Department to bring suit against all the states that do not recognize the legally married gay couples from Mass.
    Order the military to stop Don't Ask, Don't Tell
    Order all Federal Agencies to add sexual orientation discrimination to their current list of illegal discriminations
    Order all Federal Agencies not to do business with any companies that do discriminate based on sexual orientation

    Senator Obama could do these things using executive orders and with the powers of the executive branch and Commander in Chief.

    Yet he remains silent on all these issues and says the normal platitudes to placate the gay community, and plays on the fears that most gays have of the religious right getting into power.

    On other issues, in two or three years I believe under President Obama
    My taxes will be higher
    Iran will have nuclear weapons
    Russia will have overrun Georgia completely
    China will have started making moves on Taiwan
    We will be involved in a war in Darfur
    The Bush tax cuts will have expired
    The EIC will have doubled or tripled
    The minimum wage will have gone up another dollar
    Businesses will be required to provide health care
    Unemployment will be 8-10%
    We will still have troops in Iraq, Bosnia/Kosovo, Afghanistan, Turkey, Egypt, Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Columbia, Djibouti, Pakistan, Qatar, Serbia, and Kyrgyzstan

    So I will be voting for McCain
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    Oct 17, 2008 1:32 AM GMT
    rustygseven saidOn other issues, in two or three years I believe under President Obama
    My taxes will be higher
    Iran will have nuclear weapons
    Russia will have overrun Georgia completely
    China will have started making moves on Taiwan
    We will be involved in a war in Darfur
    The Bush tax cuts will have expired
    The EIC will have doubled or tripled
    The minimum wage will have gone up another dollar
    Businesses will be required to provide health care
    Unemployment will be 8-10%
    We will still have troops in Iraq, Bosnia/Kosovo, Afghanistan, Turkey, Egypt, Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Columbia, Djibouti, Pakistan, Qatar, Serbia, and Kyrgyzstan

    So I will be voting for McCain


    Well, you're entitled to your delusions. This is America.
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    Oct 18, 2008 9:19 AM GMT
    Sorry, Int2-

    If it was a religious thing, we in California would not be fighting so hard.

    It IS a governmental thing. What the hell are you talking about? McCain is against it, but so is Obama. Marriage of gay people is a GOVERNMENTAL thing. What planet do you live on?
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    Oct 18, 2008 9:34 AM GMT
    TallGWM-

    I believe in the central ideas of conservatism. Not the Republican party, conservatism. Modern Rebublicans are not conservatives. Which is why I am a conservative and NOT a Rebublican:

    Let me lay it out:

    Strong national defense

    Small Federal Government

    States rights

    Lower taxation

    The right of the wealth creators to keep their wealth. Not share the wealth. Non wealth creators have no "right" to the wealth of wealth creators. Wealth is not a pie, and if someone has a big piece others have a smaller piece. Wealth is an infinite thing. If someone gets rich, it does not mean that someone else gets poor. Wealth is not finite, it is infinite. Your gain does not take away my gain.

    Is that enough for now?

    JW


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    Oct 18, 2008 9:46 AM GMT
    Well, I got my absentee ballot and voted for Obama because his views are closest to mine.

    As we've already discussed for months on end, I'll never understand homosexuals voting for the anti-gay Republicans, but, this is America and they're entitled to do so.

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    Oct 18, 2008 10:32 AM GMT
    And anti-Gay Democrats are equally entitled to vote for the candidate that they want to. Just hope that you are not a Gay that wants to start a business, hire people, and move ahead. Don't make more than 250K, cause then you are "rich" and you need to "share the wealth".
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    Oct 18, 2008 10:54 AM GMT
    Yes, TM, I already know that you've already done everything that anyone has done or wants to do and that you can top whatever one has done with your own story of how you did it better.

    So, it is no surprise to learn that you believe people who have started businesses and employed others must be wrong in voting for Democrats because you started your own business already, did it better, and voted Republican. Bully for you!

    Death and taxes are facts of life. I have an issue with how taxes are spent. I don't mind paying taxes when doing so is for America. I don't like paying taxes to fund endless war that provides no benefit to the country (and don't bother with the 'protecting America' garbage because if they really wanted to protect America they would use the war funds to create American jobs and secure domestic infrastructure) and I don't like paying taxes in order to nationalize losses when profits are privatized.

    Stopping the increasing control of government by unhinged religious wingnuts and the decline of reason are issues to me. America's infrastructure is an issue to me. America's refusal to invest in alternative, renewable energy is an issue to me. Paying enemies for oil as a result of an unwillingness to ween from fossil fuels is an issue to me. Equal rights are an issue to me. Indeed, taxes are the least of these issues.
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    Oct 18, 2008 11:21 AM GMT
    dfrw-

    Do you actually read newspapers? Do you take the time to be informed? Websites, Blogs? Anything?

    Just asking.

    JW
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    Oct 18, 2008 11:28 AM GMT
    Triggerman saiddfrw-

    Do you actually read newspapers? Do you take the time to be informed? Websites, Blogs? Anything?

    Just asking.

    JW


    Yes, and unlike the current Republican president, I enjoy doing so; or the current Republican VP-candidate, I can name them.

    I am not really sure what the purpose of your question was, but since you're better than...oh I don't know....everyone...perhaps you should explain the purpose of it to me.
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    Oct 18, 2008 11:38 AM GMT
    Jprichva-

    Angry old man, representing a party whose guiding principle is Being Seriously Pissed Off

    Yeah, that is deep.

    I find the seriously pissed off coming from the liberal left.

    "BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION!!!!"

    "WE SHOULD HAVE WON 2000"!!!!!

    Guiding principal? We won an election. If Nancy Pelosi and Harry Ried had not blocked us, we would have had control of Fannie and Freddie. But no, Barack decided to be the second largest acceptor of donations outside of Chris Dodd from Freddy and Fannie. So sorry, but your Messiah took tons of money from Freddie and Fannie.

    Dispute?
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    Oct 18, 2008 12:00 PM GMT
    Wealth is infinite? jeezuz h! The only thing infinite is your capacity for stupidity.
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    Oct 18, 2008 12:32 PM GMT
    McGay-

    Stay in your little socialist world, which died about the same time as your God Che.

    Wealth is not a pie. It is not you get this piece and the rest is there for us,

    Do you ever get out of your little communist mudhut?

    The world has passed you by. Wealth is not a sum.

    When Bill Gate became a billionaire, did a billion people lose their wealth? Or lose a billion in wealth?

    Idiot.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 18, 2008 12:35 PM GMT
    So sorry, but your Messiah took tons of money from Freddie and Fannie.

    Dispute?


    A Freddie Mac Money Trail Catches Up With McCain
    Michael Isikoff and Holly Bailey
    NEWSWEEK
    From the magazine issue dated Oct 6, 2008
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/161218/output/print
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    Oct 18, 2008 12:38 PM GMT
    Tigger, I hereby dub you "Mensa Lite". You've worked hard to earn it. Wear it proudly.
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    Oct 18, 2008 12:47 PM GMT
    Triggerman said
    dfrw-

    Do you actually read newspapers? Do you take the time to be informed? Websites, Blogs? Anything?

    Just asking.

    JW


    Yes, and unlike the current Republican president, I enjoy doing so; or the current Republican VP-candidate, I can name them.

    I am not really sure what the purpose of your question was, but since you're better than...oh I don't know....everyone...perhaps you should explain the purpose of it to me.


    When Did I ever say I am better than you? Or anyone else? Show me where I ever said that. I never say that I am better than anyone else. I give ideas. Good better or bad. I give ideas. Attack them. If not, then feign false attack.

    I try never to attack the person, just the ideas. I do not make fun of usernames, I respond to weak ideas. I call McGay McGay. That is his username, and if I get attacked, I try to respond to the attack. But I try never to attack personally, though I am human. Attack my ideas.