I feel bad for Republicans

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    Oct 15, 2008 12:33 AM GMT
    The Republican platform is supposed to be all about cutting spending, and small government intervention. But in recent years they have instead changed focus from fiscal conservativism to a social one. This election is been especially bad, from the poorly-thought-out pick of Palin to the fear mongering tactics of associating Obama with terrorism.

    It makes me feel bad for the people out there who support the original Republican ideology but not the dirty tactics that McCain's campaign has been using. McCain is putting them in a difficult situation of choosing between overlooking his campaign's gaffes or switching to the other side.

    I hope McCain loses by a large margin. Maybe that will send over a signal for future presidential candidates to run cleaner campaigns instead of focusing on cheap tricks, and people will get to choose based on a candidate's policies and not their conduct during election season.
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    Oct 15, 2008 12:37 AM GMT
    "I Feel Bad for Republicans". You will get over it Dowal trust me on this one. icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 15, 2008 1:13 AM GMT
    A trait of Republicans is that they always support their party, no matter what. Indeed, their party motto could be:

    "Party Before Country"

    And so they must support McCain and the idiot Palin, come Hell or high water. Fine points about ideology are lost in blind loyalty to party. If you call yourself a Republican you will vote Republican, and inconvenient discrepancies between truth and rhetoric can be sorted out later.

    Ah, to be a Republican, released from reality.
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    Oct 15, 2008 3:30 AM GMT
    What you mean Obama doesn't have reds under the bed, or is the hidden Muslim; Wow. icon_eek.gificon_wink.gificon_biggrin.gif

    America may want him, but does the rest of the world? I think since America now plays the roll of Big Brother, we all should get a vote in American politics.
  • EricLA

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    Oct 15, 2008 3:41 AM GMT
    Well, let's not celebrate before the votes are counted (chads or not). Democrats have lost elections they should have won, and Republicans have stolen elections they should have lost.

    That said, things look really good.

    So, it's hard for me to feel bad for them. I'm sure many of them are incredulous that their candidate is losing. Now they know how we've felt the in 2000 and 2004.
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    Oct 15, 2008 3:55 AM GMT
    EricLA saidWell, let's not celebrate before the votes are counted (chads or not). Democrats have lost elections they should have won, and Republicans have stolen elections they should have lost.


    Can you say, e-voting?
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    Oct 15, 2008 4:19 AM GMT
    EricLA saidWell, let's not celebrate before the votes are counted (chads or not). Democrats have lost elections they should have won, and Republicans have stolen elections they should have lost.


    I wasn't refering to Obama's current lead. I just thought the other day that I might be much more inclined to vote for McCain if he had not pulled some of the stunts he did during his campaign. I mean, a fiscally conservative attitude seems like the right idea during these times of excessive spending by the government. But things like McCain chosing Palin as vice president make it very hard to take him seriously.

    We've seen a lot of commentary on how the crowds at McCain rallys have been getting pretty rowdy. I know there are a lot of McCain supporters who are NOT racist. I said I feel bad for Republicans because this campaign is redefining what it means to be Republican into something ugly.
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    Oct 15, 2008 4:21 AM GMT
    We wouldn't be in this mess if it weren't for the crooks in the Democratic party. They caused this economic mess and it's amazing you people would still support them on anything. It has always been my perception that people who vote for Democrats perceive some personal gain, welfare queens and union thugs are perfect examples. So, what do you hope to gain personally from Obama? It sure isn't good government.


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    Oct 15, 2008 4:27 AM GMT
    John, I'm strictly refering to how McCain has run his campaign. I don't think we can blame Obama for the decisions McCain has made.
  • EricLA

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    Oct 15, 2008 4:51 AM GMT
    Okay, sorry, didn't read the pull post. I can feel SOME empathy for McCain. He's in a no-win situation. He can't talk about the economy, because he's tied to the Republican policies that are perceived to have gotten us where we are today. So, he tried to go negative. He must have known that this approach would not work, because the only issue people care about right now IS the economy.

    His campaign was never the most functional. And like Hillary's, different factions within are tearing it in opposing directions and he's not doing a good job leading.

    But, I suppose options for him are few. He must see the writing on the wall. Short of some major circumstance out of his control (a terrorist attack), there's probably little he can do to change this election's course.

    He could conceivably lose by the largest landslide this country has seen in some time.

    He has to put up some fight. He can't just fold his campaign and send everyone home. But, how honorable does he want his campaign to run in the last three weeks. This could be what he's remembered for.
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    Oct 15, 2008 5:55 AM GMT
    John43620 saidWe wouldn't be in this mess if it weren't for the crooks in the Democratic party. They caused this economic mess and it's amazing you people would still support them on anything. It has always been my perception that people who vote for Democrats perceive some personal gain, welfare queens and union thugs are perfect examples. So, what do you hope to gain personally from Obama? It sure isn't good government.




    You seriously think Repubs aren't crooks either? Come on man, sometimes you make good points about things and then you go and say shit like that.


    THEY ARE ALL CROOKS!
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    Oct 15, 2008 6:00 AM GMT
    the republican party of abraham lincoln (bisexual with klinefelter's syndrome) doesn't exist anymore. those were the days.

    i dont feel bad for them.
    they made their bed and they're gonna lie in it god damn it.

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    Oct 15, 2008 8:43 AM GMT
    John43620 saidWe wouldn't be in this mess if it weren't for the crooks in the Democratic party. They caused this economic mess and it's amazing you people would still support them on anything. It has always been my perception that people who vote for Democrats perceive some personal gain, welfare queens and union thugs are perfect examples. So, what do you hope to gain personally from Obama? It sure isn't good government.




    It has always been my perception that people who vote for Democrats perceive some personal gain, Big Business and Lower Taxes so "YOU" can have more money you greedy bastard!

    Sorry about that. But, I have the same views toward "ultra" fiscal Republicans-- who care solely about money and not about helping others, education and the advancement of science/academia, civil rights, and society in general.

    YOU don't want to be taxed at all.... you want public education to go even more into the dump

    YOU do want public funding for science and medical grants.... screw the cure for cancer and or HIV

    YOU don't want to help those less fortunate... who cares if people are starving out there, the women down the street abuses welfare so EVERYONE must abuse it... ya! (btw I had to go on SSI and Disability Service because of an illness; if I hadn’t… my parents would be living in a trailer right now on food stamps--- and I would not be in college… I’d be saying “Welcome to Wal*Mart.” And I am not a Welfare/SSI queen

    YOU hate environmental protection laws because they hurt big business and you're too stupid to understand anything that has to deal with chemistry, ecology, biology, geology, etc.

    YOU care mostly about the economy, wall street, lower taxes, and big business... but you don't realize-- YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A SPECK OF DIRT IN HISTORY! YOUR MONEY WON'T DO YOU ANY GOOD WHEN YOU ARE DEAD! The world will not miss you, and your money will go onto someone else.

    Who Cares about:
    NASA
    Science
    Education
    Sex-education (w/ glbt)
    Gay Rights
    Seperation of Chruch and State
    Evolution vs Creationism
    Gun Control
    Climate Change and other Environmental Destruction
    National Health Care
    etc....

    "I've got my money and it makes me very happy. Nobody better take my money or i'll shoot you!"


    (Note: YOU is not John43620 directly; YOU is an uber ultra fiscal conservative--which John may or may not be, I don't know)

    Why base you happiness and voting record solely on money?

    I don't care if you are fiscally conservative... I think that is wise--but don’t base you party of support and voting record on one subject.

    I am an independent btw... who votes mostly for the Democratic Party. Are they perfect? No way... but they are the closet I can get to being happy with a party platform. This fall, I will vote for both parties... for different "races" of course.

    John: What is "good government?" And, what are your credentials on this subject?
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    Oct 15, 2008 9:00 AM GMT
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    John43620 saidWe wouldn't be in this mess if it weren't for the crooks in the Democratic party. They caused this economic mess and it's amazing you people would still support them on anything. It has always been my perception that people who vote for Democrats perceive some personal gain, welfare queens and union thugs are perfect examples. So, what do you hope to gain personally from Obama? It sure isn't good government.




    It has always been my perception that people who vote for Democrats perceive some personal gain, Big Business and Lower Taxes so "YOU" can have more money you greedy bastard!

    Sorry about that. But, I have the same views toward "ultra" fiscal Republicans-- who care solely about money and not about helping others, education and the advancement of science/academia, civil rights, and society in general.

    YOU don't want to be taxed at all.... you want public education to go even more into the dump

    YOU do want public funding for science and medical grants.... screw the cure for cancer and or HIV

    YOU don't want to help those less fortunate... who cares if people are starving out there, the women down the street abuses welfare so EVERYONE must abuse it... ya! (btw I had to go on SSI and Disability Service because of an illness; if I hadn’t… my parents would be living in a trailer right now on food stamps--- and I would not be in college… I’d be saying “Welcome to Wal*Mart.” And I am not a Welfare/SSI queen

    YOU hate environmental protection laws because they hurt big business and you're too stupid to understand anything that has to deal with chemistry, ecology, biology, geology, etc.

    YOU care mostly about the economy, wall street, lower taxes, and big business... but you don't realize-- YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A SPECK OF DIRT IN HISTORY! YOUR MONEY WON'T DO YOU ANY GOOD WHEN YOU ARE DEAD! The world will not miss you, and your money will go onto someone else.

    Who Cares about:
    NASA
    Science
    Education
    Sex-education (w/ glbt)
    Gay Rights
    Seperation of Chruch and State
    Evolution vs Creationism
    Gun Control
    Climate Change and other Environmental Destruction
    National Health Care
    etc....

    "I've got my money and it makes me very happy. Nobody better take my money or i'll shoot you!"


    (Note: YOU is not John43620 directly; YOU is an uber ultra fiscal conservative--which John may or may not be, I don't know)

    Why base you happiness and voting record solely on money?

    I don't care if you are fiscally conservative... I think that is wise--but don’t base you party of support and voting record on one subject.

    I am an independent btw... who votes mostly for the Democratic Party. Are they perfect? No way... but they are the closet I can get to being happy with a party platform. This fall, I will vote for both parties... for different "races" of course.

    John: What is "good government?" And, what are your credentials on this subject?


    Bravo! Good on ya, cjcscuba1984 icon_smile.gif I couldnt have said it better myself, but I would add:

    Conservatives conserve nothing...They believe in corporate welfare, but they dont believe in welfare for the single mom working two jobs who still cant make ends meet...Health is NOT a commodity, John icon_smile.gif We have public schools, public roads, etc...we should have health care for all, especially every child in America. There is no excuse. Not one more dollar to Iraq until every child in America has health care.

    Regarding subprime loans: Subprime loans DID NOT EXIST when Clinton was in office; all u had then was 30 and 15 year fixed vanilla loans. All of those crazy loan programs were created during G.W. Bush administration; In response to Wall St bypassing Fannie and Freddie and funding loans directly, the gov't relaxed regulations so they could compete with Wall St. The corporate bailout was basically Bush and his cronies stealing the drapes and doorknobs from the oval office because there is nothing left to take before they leave office...Wake up America! They are stealing from us! Another Bush McSame term would lead us into a great depression; of that, i have NO doubt.

    I have NO sympathy for Republicans whatsoever...

    MCSAME = GREAT DEPRESSION

    OBAMA = GREAT CHANGE
    NO NEW TAXES IF U MAKE < $250,000
    FREE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL CHILDREN, OPTIONS FOR ADULTS

    WAKE UP AMERICA! 8 IS ENOUGH! OBAMA 2008!
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    Oct 15, 2008 9:35 AM GMT
    In response to John, I'm voting for Obama and yes it has everything to do with personal gain. My decision is based soley on who I think is going to make better decisions, has a more sound moral compass and is the right person to lead our country in what is proving to be an increasingly difficult time. I was open to voting for McCain up until he repeatedly blundered, lied and connived his own way out this race. Palin? are you kidding me? Anyone with an ounce of sense would have run screaming in the other direction the moment they did an even rudimentary background check on that frightening woman. If he honestly thinks that is the type of person he wants to help him shape the future of our country then I want nothing to do with him. She was just the lipstick pig shaped nail in the coffin by the time he picked her though. His increasing desperation, selling out of his ideals to garner support, pandering to the same big business that gleefully, indefensibly, gutted our economy, wooing of the conversative right and backsliding on earlier positions to curry favor all speak to man with no true moral compass at all. We've had that for 8 years and it has been an unmitigated disaster. All of that is not even touching on GLBT rights which I don't even think are anywhere on the radar for the McCain/Palin ticket, and if they are it's in a decidedly negative manner. Basic legal gaurantees and protections are still sadly missing and yes they have a profound effect on the everyday lives of gay Americans. I own a small business and I paid over $35,000 in personal taxes and more than eight times that in business taxes to belong to a country that doesn't consider me a full citizen. It quite literally breaks my heart. Lastly John from Toledo, be careful of using phrases like "you people". It points to a man with a lazy mind, and that is exactly the type of person who has kept the current administratino in power. There are no "you people". There are just people, and completely selfishly I'm voting for Obama.
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    Oct 15, 2008 10:36 AM GMT
    John43620 saidWe wouldn't be in this mess if it weren't for the crooks in the Democratic party. They caused this economic mess and it's amazing you people would still support them on anything. It has always been my perception that people who vote for Democrats perceive some personal gain, welfare queens and union thugs are perfect examples. So, what do you hope to gain personally from Obama? It sure isn't good government.




    I'm just wondering what planet you've been living on?
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    Oct 15, 2008 10:57 AM GMT
    Don't feel bad

    ... they're pretty self-delusional
    Republicans always blame other people for the mess they make themselves

    Remember - Clinton did it... Clinton did it .....

    It was like listening to the bullfrogs in summer Clinton did it...

    And now we have the excuse machine
    The "liberal" media when some one is asked a question
    "Gotcha media"
    "The media elite"
    So they go to FOX to spread their vile propaganda so people who WANT SO to believe will have some lies to pepper their jargon
    Rush
    Hannity
    Bile-O
    Must be wonderful living in such a world
    I think it must be like a permanent K-hole doncha think?

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    Oct 15, 2008 1:43 PM GMT
    I've have been an on-and-off admirer of John McCain over the years. Off, lately, as he forgot the past (or acquiesced to it) and sold out to the same Rovian dirty politics that cut him off at the knees in 2000.

    McCain won the nomination rather by default: early leaders in the GOP attacked each other, but not him - no hitting the old guy, who was so far behind anyway. Then those early leaders knocked one another out of the race, or showed their own weaknesses to be severely unappealing to large parts of the party. Or, as in the case of Rudy, just mismanaged their campaigns.

    After the 8 years of Bush Cheney, this election was the Democrats' to lose. (The last time we gave the White House to the same party for 3 terms was Reagan/Bush senior, and before that, Truman was the last to succeed someone of his own party.)

    Whether you agree with the decision to go to war or not, the current administration has mismanaged that war; neglected the economy until near disaster; and lied, lied, lied.

    So, in McCain's defense, any Republican was going to have a hard time winning this one, in spite of the pretty constant attack on Obama (which would have been launched against HRC if she had been the candidate - just different words to the same tune.) That said, McCain's campaign has been pretty inept, beginning with his slow start during the last weeks of the Obama/Clinton fight, when he could have been moving out on his own.

    My read on this election is that, yes, Obama would be a more "viable" candidate all around in 4 - 8 years from now. And McCain was a more viable candidate 8 years ago. But this is the year we have to choose between them. So choose.
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    Oct 16, 2008 3:34 AM GMT
    cowboyo saidI've have been an on-and-off admirer of John McCain over the years. Off, lately, as he forgot the past (or acquiesced to it) and sold out to the same Rovian dirty politics that cut him off at the knees in 2000.

    McCain won the nomination rather by default: early leaders in the GOP attacked each other, but not him - no hitting the old guy, who was so far behind anyway. Then those early leaders knocked one another out of the race, or showed their own weaknesses to be severely unappealing to large parts of the party. Or, as in the case of Rudy, just mismanaged their campaigns.

    After the 8 years of Bush Cheney, this election was the Democrats' to lose. (The last time we gave the White House to the same party for 3 terms was Reagan/Bush senior, and before that, Truman was the last to succeed someone of his own party.)

    Whether you agree with the decision to go to war or not, the current administration has mismanaged that war; neglected the economy until near disaster; and lied, lied, lied.

    So, in McCain's defense, any Republican was going to have a hard time winning this one, in spite of the pretty constant attack on Obama (which would have been launched against HRC if she had been the candidate - just different words to the same tune.) That said, McCain's campaign has been pretty inept, beginning with his slow start during the last weeks of the Obama/Clinton fight, when he could have been moving out on his own.

    My read on this election is that, yes, Obama would be a more "viable" candidate all around in 4 - 8 years from now. And McCain was a more viable candidate 8 years ago. But this is the year we have to choose between them. So choose.


    Obama is the right candidate NOW.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:02 AM GMT
    I agree.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:19 AM GMT
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    cowboyo saidI've have been an on-and-off admirer of John McCain over the years. Off, lately, as he forgot the past (or acquiesced to it) and sold out to the same Rovian dirty politics that cut him off at the knees in 2000.

    McCain won the nomination rather by default: early leaders in the GOP attacked each other, but not him - no hitting the old guy, who was so far behind anyway. Then those early leaders knocked one another out of the race, or showed their own weaknesses to be severely unappealing to large parts of the party. Or, as in the case of Rudy, just mismanaged their campaigns.

    After the 8 years of Bush Cheney, this election was the Democrats' to lose. (The last time we gave the White House to the same party for 3 terms was Reagan/Bush senior, and before that, Truman was the last to succeed someone of his own party.)

    Whether you agree with the decision to go to war or not, the current administration has mismanaged that war; neglected the economy until near disaster; and lied, lied, lied.

    So, in McCain's defense, any Republican was going to have a hard time winning this one, in spite of the pretty constant attack on Obama (which would have been launched against HRC if she had been the candidate - just different words to the same tune.) That said, McCain's campaign has been pretty inept, beginning with his slow start during the last weeks of the Obama/Clinton fight, when he could have been moving out on his own.

    My read on this election is that, yes, Obama would be a more "viable" candidate all around in 4 - 8 years from now. And McCain was a more viable candidate 8 years ago. But this is the year we have to choose between them. So choose.


    Obama is the right candidate NOW.


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