Even scientists are cooling on climate change.

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    Mar 29, 2013 1:23 AM GMT
    For a number years now here at RJ anyone who did not subscribed to the propaganda of Climate Change had to endure abuse, just because we fond the evidence wanting. Yes we were branded "deniers"as if we were disputing something like the holocausts. That El Gore film was accorded the status of Holy Writ. Journalists lost their jobs, scientist were scorned; who also did ot buy into all the propaganda.

    In short there was an orthodoxy which was enforced with all the rigor of communism or fascism, or for that matter the Spanish Inquisition. Dissenters must not be heard and Global Warming became a religion.

    Well the dissenters have now been proven right. Heaven knows how many billion latter have been spent, the world is now being told that actually the warming is so far off predictions that all bets are off, and indeed the worlds temperature is static and falling.

    So all those expensive carbon saving measures "inflicted" on industry and passed on in cost to us.

    From the published Hadley Centre figures, the scientist must have known for years, yet only now do they admit it, and prey tell why?

    Heavens to murgatroid that it should be because of all that $$$$$ tied up in their research.

    But there was those of us why did try to tell you so, and were abused for doing so.......
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    Mar 29, 2013 1:26 AM GMT
    So go suck that up Bob Brown, and look what you forced upon us Down Under with your bloody delusional carbon tax; talk about fleeing a sinking ship; as you did.
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    Mar 29, 2013 4:14 AM GMT
    This is simply a fantasy on your part.

    Independent checks by skeptical scientists strongly support global warming:

    http://berkeleyearth.org

    The data in all its glory:

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    Mar 29, 2013 4:18 AM GMT
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    Mar 29, 2013 4:51 AM GMT
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    Mar 29, 2013 10:56 AM GMT
    Riddlers link debunked:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/28/a-misinterpreted-claim-about-a-nasa-press-release-co2-solar-flares-and-the-thermosphere-is-making-the-rounds/
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    Apr 03, 2013 4:27 AM GMT
    Britain's deep freeze weather could be the sign of an impending ice age, a leading scientist has warned. British summer time officially has started.. But those pinning for warmth have to endure sub-zero temperatures well into April.

    Now Russian scientist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov says the combination of sub zero temperatures and heavy snow experienced across much of the country recently could be the prelude to 200 years of lower temperatures.

    Dr Abdussamatov of the St Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory, said that the earth is on an"unavoidable advance towards a deep temperature drop" like the period known as the Little Ice Age. Which lasted between 1650 and 1850 affecting Europe. North America, and Greenland.

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    Apr 03, 2013 5:52 AM GMT
    http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21574461-climate-may-be-heating-up-less-response-greenhouse-gas-emissions
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    Apr 03, 2013 7:17 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21574461-climate-may-be-heating-up-less-response-greenhouse-gas-emissions


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  • Apparition

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    Apr 03, 2013 7:47 PM GMT
    um...isnt LESS pollution an honorable goal in and of itself?
    I mean exponential growth HAS to stop. It's math.

    Even 1% growth doubles in 72 years.

    So say the earth is half full now. in 72 years its full..and we move to another planet. in 72 years THAT one is full.

    in another 72 years we need 4 planets...

    thats theoretically in a human lifetime...
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    Apr 03, 2013 9:46 PM GMT
    Apparition saidum...isnt LESS pollution an honorable goal in and of itself?
    I mean exponential growth HAS to stop. It's math.

    Even 1% growth doubles in 72 years.

    So say the earth is half full now. in 72 years its full..and we move to another planet. in 72 years THAT one is full.

    in another 72 years we need 4 planets...

    thats theoretically in a human lifetime...


    CO yes, CO2 (plant food) no
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    Apr 03, 2013 11:52 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Apparition saidum...isnt LESS pollution an honorable goal in and of itself?
    I mean exponential growth HAS to stop. It's math.

    Even 1% growth doubles in 72 years.

    So say the earth is half full now. in 72 years its full..and we move to another planet. in 72 years THAT one is full.

    in another 72 years we need 4 planets...

    thats theoretically in a human lifetime...


    CO yes, CO2 (plant food) no


    Too much CO2 can be bad for plants. A reduction of photosynthesis occurs in some plants.
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    Apr 04, 2013 5:36 AM GMT
    But then I'm not sure another 200 year mini ice age would be good for many plants either; or human life/ Now how long has father earth been heating and cooling off?
  • GQjock

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    Apr 04, 2013 1:49 PM GMT
    You want proof of Climate Change ..... Go Outside

    Climate Change is NO LONGER theory it's no longer a considerable debate
    The global temperature has changed SIGNIFICANTLY and we are seeing the costs worldwide

    so your post has no meaning at this time and shows that you just do not understand what Climate Change is or means
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    Apr 04, 2013 2:06 PM GMT
    GQjock saidYou want proof of Climate Change ..... Go Outside

    Climate Change is NO LONGER theory it's no longer a considerable debate
    The global temperature has changed SIGNIFICANTLY and we are seeing the costs worldwide

    so your post has no meaning at this time and shows that you just do not understand what Climate Change is or means

    Climate change models have been predicting for decades that some parts of the globe would get colder, and would see unusually wide seasonal temperature changes. But the OVERALL GLOBAL trend would be an increasing average temperature for the Earth, that would melt glaciers and the polar caps. That is precisely what is happening.

    To deny global warming at this point is extremely myopic, and stubborn denial. Will the Earth go into a cooling swing at some point in the future? Perhaps, like it has in the past.

    But right now our problem is sudden warming, with no sign of cooling in the immediate future. Therefore that's the problem that must be addressed now, both in terms of trying to limit the warming if possible, and responding to its effects, like coastal flooding, agricultural impact, changes in fresh water distribution, extinction of animal species, and so forth.
  • tazzari

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    Apr 04, 2013 5:28 PM GMT
    "There is no iceberb, there is not iceberg. Full speed ahead!"

    Words attributed to Capt. Smith, of Titanic fame.
  • USMCjock

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    Apr 09, 2013 12:03 PM GMT
    This planet has been here for 4 BILLION years- went from molten blob to a very thin crust with a still molten center (just a few miles beneath your feet).. Has Humankind had an impact on this fragile balance? Surely man has influenced the atmosphere, negatively in many regards.. but to think we've altered the friggin temperature of a celestial being is ego on steroids.. riddle me this- how's come other planets- blessed without the scourge of parasitic humanoids, have a similar/parallel temp increase?
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    Apr 09, 2013 12:37 PM GMT
    USMCjock saidThis planet has been here for 4 BILLION years- went from molten blob to a very thin crust with a still molten center (just a few miles beneath your feet).. Has Humankind had an impact on this fragile balance? Surely man has influenced the atmosphere, negatively in many regards.. but to think we've altered the friggin temperature of a celestial being is ego on steroids.. riddle me this- how's come other planets- blessed without the scourge of parasitic humanoids, have a similar/parallel temp increase?

    First, what other planets? What data are you citing?

    Second, no 2 planets in our solar system are the same. Earth is an ideal distance from the Sun for the forms of life that have evolved. The planet has a unique magnetic field that helps to prevent the solar wind from stripping away our atmosphere, as a NASA study released just yesterday proposes happened to Mars.

    The Earth has the largest moon in relation to its size of any planet. This helps to stabilize rotation on its axis; otherwise the Earth would have a more pronounced wobble, resulting in a less stable environment for life. The Moon also creates the tides, which affect ocean currents which in turn influence the weather. And those tides wouldn't exist without the vast liquid oceans, which are again unique to the Earth, leading some to call the Earth "The Water Planet".

    All these factors and more make the Earth like no other planet in the solar system, or anywhere else from what astronomical observations of deep space have been able to reveal. And being the only "living" planet our ecosystem is a very major part of our climate. Mess with that and you mess with everything.

    So that there is fact NO direct parallel with any other planet yet known. And whether or not other planets have had temperature changes, Earth is where we're living, or at least hoping we will for the foreseeable future. I don't want a change of even a few degrees temperature, which based on present models will flood much of Florida, and cause great social upheaval if most of the US midwest turns to desert, another strong possibility.
  • Timbales

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    Apr 09, 2013 10:57 PM GMT
    I don't know if it's arrogance or ignorance to believe that mankind can make so many drastic changes to the natural environment without it having an effect.