Canada's Harper Returned to Power As Prime Minister...... But Conservatives Fall Short of Parliament Majority

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    Oct 15, 2008 9:29 AM GMT
    He's back and stronger than ever! ... icon_eek.gif


    TORONTO, Oct. 15 -- Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper was returned to power in national elections Tuesday, strengthening his Conservative Party's position in Parliament but still falling just short of an absolute majority.

    The result seemed to guarantee another period of political instability for Canada, and it made a new election likely before the incoming government's four-year term is up.

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    Dion, for his part, struggled to connect with voters. A native French speaker, he speaks heavily accented English that is sometimes difficult to understand. The 53-year-old Dion was criticized as remote and professorial, befitting his background as a sociologist and political scientist.

    Dion was also hurt by his campaign pledge to impose a carbon tax to fight global warming, analysts said. Harper said that an economic downturn was no time to impose a new tax on Canadians.

    The Liberals have governed Canada for most of its history, thanks in part to a fractious right. But Harper was able to unite two parties on the conservative side of the spectrum, and now it is the left that is fragmented, between the Liberals, the New Democrats and the environmentalist Green Party.

    Appealing for support for the Liberals from backers of other left-of-center parties, Dion noted recently: "If we pool our votes together, we will win this election."

    Those parties together would have enough seats to form a government, it appeared. But that was widely considered unlikely -- historically, the party winning the most seats in Parliament forms the government.

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    Oct 15, 2008 12:33 PM GMT
    When I was running this morning on the treadmill the song "No Surprises" by Radiohead started playing on my IPod. I thought to myself "a perfect summary of last night's election".

    The election proved that polls are usually quite accurate, which must be worrisome right now for the McCain camp.

    Basically Federal politics in Canada is back to where it was before the election was called. The Conservatives will have to rely on the Liberals and the Bloc Quebecois in order to pass anything in parliament. The NDP will do their usual self-righteous schtick of saying they stick up for "average" Canadians by rejecting almost anything the Conservatives put forward.

    It should be interesting to see how the financial and economic crisis is handled over the next few months. Although the Conservatives do not have a majority they know that the public does not want an election, as do the opposition parties. So we get the dance of the seven veils!

    The only thing that could really change the political landscape over the next few years is if the Liberals got a new leader that energized and united the centre and centre-left vote.
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    Oct 15, 2008 1:05 PM GMT
    $290 million on an election to end up right back where you started... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 15, 2008 2:57 PM GMT
    Caslon7000 said$290 million on an election to end up right back where you started... icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yeah why couldn't they spend it on a worthwhile cause like my early retirement? I am not greedy 1% would do nicely thanks. icon_lol.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 15, 2008 10:35 PM GMT
    Hey if the people of Canada feel that Prime Minister Harper is doing a good job leading their country, than that is strictly their decision. If the Liberals really wanted to regain majority control of parliament, they should have picked a more viable, economically friendly candidate instead of one who immediately wanted to impose another tax on the people. This is what hurt the Liberals, they need to get away from this new additional tax idea and find other more popular methods to push their agenda.
  • duglyduckling

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    Oct 15, 2008 10:37 PM GMT
    the conservative party should flip that election bill...

    such BS!! my hard earned tax dollars wasted in this useless exercise we call a democratic process...

    Green party, 7% of popular vote = no seats
    Bloc Quebecois, 10% of popular vote = 50 seats
    New Democrats, 18% of popular vote = 37 seats

    we need proportional representation!!!
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    Oct 15, 2008 11:56 PM GMT
    duglyduckling saidthe conservative party should flip that election bill...

    such BS!! my hard earned tax dollars wasted in this useless exercise we call a democratic process...

    Green party, 7% of popular vote = no seats
    Bloc Quebecois, 10% of popular vote = 50 seats
    New Democrats, 18% of popular vote = 37 seats

    we need proportional representation!!!


    Be careful what you wish for, Israel has proportional representation and the extreme parties have a lot of clout. Just imagine the old Reform party having the balance of power in the 1990s!
  • OptimusMatt

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    Oct 16, 2008 12:01 AM GMT
    On the plus side...the liberal candidate who's held my riding since the early 90's lost out to the conservative candidate by 72 votes. Looks like my vote actually DID matter, lol. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 16, 2008 2:46 AM GMT
    duglyduckling saidthe conservative party should flip that election bill...

    such BS!! my hard earned tax dollars wasted in this useless exercise we call a democratic process...

    Green party, 7% of popular vote = no seats
    Bloc Quebecois, 10% of popular vote = 50 seats
    New Democrats, 18% of popular vote = 37 seats

    we need proportional representation!!!



    did you vote? or are you just bitching? if we had mandatory voting that forced 100% participation then maybe proportional could work, but wait if you force someone to vote then is that truly a democracy? if you dont like our system, leave.
  • Thirdbeach

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    Oct 16, 2008 2:49 AM GMT
    Lowest voter turnout for any Canadian election..

    I'm glad we're all paying for it.

    P.S. the election's over, I can answer my home phone again.
  • duglyduckling

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    Oct 16, 2008 6:44 PM GMT
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling saidthe conservative party should flip that election bill...

    such BS!! my hard earned tax dollars wasted in this useless exercise we call a democratic process...

    Green party, 7% of popular vote = no seats
    Bloc Quebecois, 10% of popular vote = 50 seats
    New Democrats, 18% of popular vote = 37 seats

    we need proportional representation!!!



    did you vote? or are you just bitching? if we had mandatory voting that forced 100% participation then maybe proportional could work, but wait if you force someone to vote then is that truly a democracy? if you dont like our system, leave.


    To answer your question:

    Yes, I voted.
    Yes, I'm bitching at the injustice to some of the political parties.

    I didn't say anything about mandatory voting. I said we should have proportional representation. So you're putting words into my mouth.

    Why would one need mandatory voting for proportional representation to work? Proportional representation simple means seats assigned based on % of vote.

    and as for your comment "if you don't like our system, leave" <-- who the F do you think you are? Are you saying you're more canadian than me, because you're white?

    How dare you?!?! You're a racist.
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    Oct 17, 2008 2:41 AM GMT
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling saidthe conservative party should flip that election bill...

    such BS!! my hard earned tax dollars wasted in this useless exercise we call a democratic process...

    Green party, 7% of popular vote = no seats
    Bloc Quebecois, 10% of popular vote = 50 seats
    New Democrats, 18% of popular vote = 37 seats

    we need proportional representation!!!



    did you vote? or are you just bitching? if we had mandatory voting that forced 100% participation then maybe proportional could work, but wait if you force someone to vote then is that truly a democracy? if you dont like our system, leave.


    To answer your question:

    Yes, I voted.
    Yes, I'm bitching at the injustice to some of the political parties.

    I didn't say anything about mandatory voting. I said we should have proportional representation. So you're putting words into my mouth.

    Why would one need mandatory voting for proportional representation to work? Proportional representation simple means seats assigned based on % of vote.

    and as for your comment "if you don't like our system, leave" <-- who the F do you think you are? Are you saying you're more canadian than me, because you're white?

    How dare you?!?! You're a racist.



    No mention was made of race, so pull your panties out of your crack. Its a shame you discount yourself that way.

    My reference to mandatory voting was to reinforce that no democratic process actually exists...without 100% voter turnout.

    I'm glad your a defender of the parties who are victims of the system. Good job!
  • Thirdbeach

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    Oct 17, 2008 2:50 AM GMT
    Think about it this way:

    The Conservative Party got 38 % of the votes on Tuesday.

    Yet only 59 % of eligible voters bothered to vote. So the Conservatives got just over 22 % of the eligible votes, and they form government.


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    Oct 17, 2008 4:28 AM GMT

    This is the third minority government in a row and that's fine.
    We had years of Liberal then Conservative then Liberal majorities that pulled us back and forth and cost us alot of money. So we're guessing Canadians are tired of majorities.
    This way no party's agenda gets rammed down our collective throats.

    Instability? Well, we're doing better than ever as a country and our economy is doing well, considering what's happening globally.

    What frosted me was Conservative leaders on late Tuesday night TV saying they were all expecting the vote to turn out this way.
    So why did they waste our money on an election? icon_mad.gif
  • duglyduckling

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    Oct 17, 2008 9:08 AM GMT
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling saidthe conservative party should flip that election bill...

    such BS!! my hard earned tax dollars wasted in this useless exercise we call a democratic process...
    Green party, 7% of popular vote = no seats
    Bloc Quebecois, 10% of popular vote = 50 seats
    New Democrats, 18% of popular vote = 37 seats
    we need proportional representation!!!



    did you vote? or are you just bitching? if we had mandatory voting that forced 100% participation then maybe proportional could work, but wait if you force someone to vote then is that truly a democracy? if you dont like our system, leave.


    To answer your question:

    Yes, I voted.
    Yes, I'm bitching at the injustice to some of the political parties.

    I didn't say anything about mandatory voting. I said we should have proportional representation. So you're putting words into my mouth.

    Why would one need mandatory voting for proportional representation to work? Proportional representation simple means seats assigned based on % of vote.

    and as for your comment "if you don't like our system, leave" <-- who the F do you think you are? Are you saying you're more canadian than me, because you're white?

    How dare you?!?! You're a racist.



    No mention was made of race, so pull your panties out of your crack. Its a shame you discount yourself that way.

    My reference to mandatory voting was to reinforce that no democratic process actually exists...without 100% voter turnout.

    I'm glad your a defender of the parties who are victims of the system. Good job!


    If you were not insinuating that I am of chinese decent and a lesser canadian than you are, then explain your comment of "if you don't like our system, leave".

    This IS my system, and who the F are you to tell me to leave if I don't like the system?!? Where exactly would I go Mr Racist? Back to China?!?
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    Oct 18, 2008 12:21 AM GMT
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling saidthe conservative party should flip that election bill...

    such BS!! my hard earned tax dollars wasted in this useless exercise we call a democratic process...
    Green party, 7% of popular vote = no seats
    Bloc Quebecois, 10% of popular vote = 50 seats
    New Democrats, 18% of popular vote = 37 seats
    we need proportional representation!!!



    did you vote? or are you just bitching? if we had mandatory voting that forced 100% participation then maybe proportional could work, but wait if you force someone to vote then is that truly a democracy? if you dont like our system, leave.


    To answer your question:

    Yes, I voted.
    Yes, I'm bitching at the injustice to some of the political parties.

    I didn't say anything about mandatory voting. I said we should have proportional representation. So you're putting words into my mouth.

    Why would one need mandatory voting for proportional representation to work? Proportional representation simple means seats assigned based on % of vote.

    and as for your comment "if you don't like our system, leave" <-- who the F do you think you are? Are you saying you're more canadian than me, because you're white?

    How dare you?!?! You're a racist.



    No mention was made of race, so pull your panties out of your crack. Its a shame you discount yourself that way.

    My reference to mandatory voting was to reinforce that no democratic process actually exists...without 100% voter turnout.

    I'm glad your a defender of the parties who are victims of the system. Good job!


    If you were not insinuating that I am of chinese decent and a lesser canadian than you are, then explain your comment of "if you don't like our system, leave".

    This IS my system, and who the F are you to tell me to leave if I don't like the system?!? Where exactly would I go Mr Racist? Back to China?!?


    I guess wherever ASSHOLES with chips on their shoulders are from. Like I said before, dont discount yourself, and dont try and justify being angry at my response by trying to say its race-based, its not.

    I said "our system" not "my system", "our" is an encompassing term for all canadians jackass.

    You should probably consider dealing with your issues before engaging in further exchanges. Its pretty clear you have some major ones.
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    Oct 18, 2008 12:32 AM GMT
    Although "first past the post" has its' drawbacks, overall it has its' benefits. Government policies in a majority government are passed, unlike in the US where it takes forever to pass a budget because it has to go to Congress (both houses) and the President can veto it and congress can override the veto, etc.. In countries that have proportional representation (like Israel) it takes forever to get things done, and governments are often on the verge of falling.

    Furthermore, fringe parties old far more power than they really warrant, which in Israel's case has had negative consequences for Middle East peace (the building of settlements on the West Bank is a direct consequence of the power of small right-wing parties).

    The Bloc Quebecois only received 10% of the vote, but that is very misleading. There popularity is concentrated in one section of the country. The Green Pary received 7% but they really did not come close in a lot of ridings (their leader did not even win) so it is hard to argue that they deserve to be in Parliament.
  • duglyduckling

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    Oct 18, 2008 1:08 AM GMT
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling saidthe conservative party should flip that election bill...

    such BS!! my hard earned tax dollars wasted in this useless exercise we call a democratic process...
    Green party, 7% of popular vote = no seats
    Bloc Quebecois, 10% of popular vote = 50 seats
    New Democrats, 18% of popular vote = 37 seats
    we need proportional representation!!!



    did you vote? or are you just bitching? if we had mandatory voting that forced 100% participation then maybe proportional could work, but wait if you force someone to vote then is that truly a democracy? if you dont like our system, leave.


    To answer your question:

    Yes, I voted.
    Yes, I'm bitching at the injustice to some of the political parties.

    I didn't say anything about mandatory voting. I said we should have proportional representation. So you're putting words into my mouth.

    Why would one need mandatory voting for proportional representation to work? Proportional representation simple means seats assigned based on % of vote.

    and as for your comment "if you don't like our system, leave" <-- who the F do you think you are? Are you saying you're more canadian than me, because you're white?

    How dare you?!?! You're a racist.



    No mention was made of race, so pull your panties out of your crack. Its a shame you discount yourself that way.

    My reference to mandatory voting was to reinforce that no democratic process actually exists...without 100% voter turnout.

    I'm glad your a defender of the parties who are victims of the system. Good job!


    If you were not insinuating that I am of chinese decent and a lesser canadian than you are, then explain your comment of "if you don't like our system, leave".

    This IS my system, and who the F are you to tell me to leave if I don't like the system?!? Where exactly would I go Mr Racist? Back to China?!?


    I guess wherever ASSHOLES with chips on their shoulders are from. Like I said before, dont discount yourself, and dont try and justify being angry at my response by trying to say its race-based, its not.

    I said "our system" not "my system", "our" is an encompassing term for all canadians jackass.

    You should probably consider dealing with your issues before engaging in further exchanges. Its pretty clear you have some major ones.


    "our" system - encompassing term for all canadians. Exactly, somehow, telling me to leave means that I am not a part of this system.

    Why don't you just admit that you are a right-wing, self hating gay, who despise anyone who is a racial minority in Canada, who thinks Alberta is the best?

    Wow, so you are the poster child for the Conservative party.

    You can try to twist your own words anyway you want to, by telling me to "leave" our system, you're essentially telling me to get out of Canada... And just where exactly shall I go, if it's "our system".

    Just fess up and admit that anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view should leave the country, and leave this country to the true Canadians - and in your words - white, right-wing, Albertan.

    Can't wait till the price of gas drops to nothing, so that Alberta will go back to being a dirt poor province, and the rednecks can go back to their holes, where they won't influence Canadian politics in the most detrimental way possible.
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    Oct 18, 2008 1:33 AM GMT
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian
    "our" system - encompassing term for all canadians. Exactly, somehow, telling me to leave means that I am not a part of this system.

    Why don't you just admit that you are a right-wing, self hating gay, who despise anyone who is a racial minority in Canada, who thinks Alberta is the best?

    Wow, so you are the poster child for the Conservative party.

    You can try to twist your own words anyway you want to, by telling me to "leave" our system, you're essentially telling me to get out of Canada... And just where exactly shall I go, if it's "our system".

    Just fess up and admit that anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view should leave the country, and leave this country to the true Canadians - and in your words - white, right-wing, Albertan.

    Can't wait till the price of gas drops to nothing, so that Alberta will go back to being a dirt poor province, and the rednecks can go back to their holes, where they won't influence Canadian politics in the most detrimental way possible.



    wow, that was pretty quick, what 2 hours to pen that masterpiece?
    funny how you fill your rebuttal with attack of character, racial references and complete fabrications of what I have stated, "in your words - white, right-wing, Albertan" was never penned by me.

    your reference to my being Albertan is based on? pure fantasy I guess since neither my profile nor correspondence here make reference to it. please note that the only one who has made any racial attacks is you.

    like I said earlier, you should deal with whatever issues you have before interacting with others.

    FYI - Alberta has supported the rest of canada through transfer payments since 1961 to the tune of $147 Billion, the next closest is BC at $10b. So when exactly was Alberta a "dirt poor" province?
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    Oct 18, 2008 1:45 AM GMT
    The bottom line is 3 elections since 2004 is nonsense.

    I prefer the idea of a minority government.

    Harper's claim to being an economist has done nothing to change the situation with current financial meltdown.

    why are we spending 25 billion for the banks. we're not nationalizing them like in the states or iceland. to protect mortgages? to protect savings.

    the banks have money why do they need taxpayers dollars.

    touting Canada's banks as the best in the world without having access to their books is rubbish. wait and see what comes out of this.

    the banks have money why do they need taxpayers dollars.(deuxieme fois)

    sheila fraser has said nothing. Canada's auditor General. why?

    Glad to see Justin Trudeau has made it to Ottawa and the NDP candidate in Edmonton strathcona-got rid of Jaffer.

    as far as alberta is concerned - 50 % CO2 emissions in Canada come from the tar sands-alberta will pay for it period-green shift or not.
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    Oct 19, 2008 2:26 AM GMT
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling said
    hardcanadian said
    duglyduckling saidthe conservative party should flip that election bill...

    such BS!! my hard earned tax dollars wasted in this useless exercise we call a democratic process...
    Green party, 7% of popular vote = no seats
    Bloc Quebecois, 10% of popular vote = 50 seats
    New Democrats, 18% of popular vote = 37 seats
    we need proportional representation!!!



    did you vote? or are you just bitching? if we had mandatory voting that forced 100% participation then maybe proportional could work, but wait if you force someone to vote then is that truly a democracy? if you dont like our system, leave.


    To answer your question:

    Yes, I voted.
    Yes, I'm bitching at the injustice to some of the political parties.

    I didn't say anything about mandatory voting. I said we should have proportional representation. So you're putting words into my mouth.

    Why would one need mandatory voting for proportional representation to work? Proportional representation simple means seats assigned based on % of vote.

    and as for your comment "if you don't like our system, leave" <-- who the F do you think you are? Are you saying you're more canadian than me, because you're white?

    How dare you?!?! You're a racist.



    No mention was made of race, so pull your panties out of your crack. Its a shame you discount yourself that way.

    My reference to mandatory voting was to reinforce that no democratic process actually exists...without 100% voter turnout.

    I'm glad your a defender of the parties who are victims of the system. Good job!


    If you were not insinuating that I am of chinese decent and a lesser canadian than you are, then explain your comment of "if you don't like our system, leave".

    This IS my system, and who the F are you to tell me to leave if I don't like the system?!? Where exactly would I go Mr Racist? Back to China?!?


    I guess wherever ASSHOLES with chips on their shoulders are from. Like I said before, dont discount yourself, and dont try and justify being angry at my response by trying to say its race-based, its not.

    I said "our system" not "my system", "our" is an encompassing term for all canadians jackass.

    You should probably consider dealing with your issues before engaging in further exchanges. Its pretty clear you have some major ones.


    "our" system - encompassing term for all canadians. Exactly, somehow, telling me to leave means that I am not a part of this system.

    Why don't you just admit that you are a right-wing, self hating gay, who despise anyone who is a racial minority in Canada, who thinks Alberta is the best?

    Wow, so you are the poster child for the Conservative party.

    You can try to twist your own words anyway you want to, by telling me to "leave" our system, you're essentially telling me to get out of Canada... And just where exactly shall I go, if it's "our system".

    Just fess up and admit that anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view should leave the country, and leave this country to the true Canadians - and in your words - white, right-wing, Albertan.

    Can't wait till the price of gas drops to nothing, so that Alberta will go back to being a dirt poor province, and the rednecks can go back to their holes, where they won't influence Canadian politics in the most detrimental way possible.


    WHOA. Dude, calm down. Not all Albertans are right winged.
    And good luck with gas prices going down cause with Harper in government, our gas prices will stay high.