LAST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE: Joe, the "McCain" Plumber Goes Down The Drain.......Thoughts?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 16, 2008 2:20 AM GMT
    Obama looked poised and McCain's attempts to "kick his backside" were way off. Lets just go vote......
  • silverfox

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    Oct 16, 2008 2:26 AM GMT
    Regardless, the media will say McCain tied or won because....

    they want a close race so we watch them.

    If "winner" means who had the better plan for America. It's...

    Obama.
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    Oct 16, 2008 2:56 AM GMT
    silverfox1 saidRegardless, the media will say McCain tied or won because....

    they want a close race so we watch them.

    If "winner" means who had the better plan for America. It's...

    Obama.


    Yeah, it's all about the "story" for the media. A good story means revenues. If the race is considered all over people will stop listening to the media, and their revenues will drop.
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    Oct 16, 2008 2:58 AM GMT
    McCain says autism is on the rise and that sarah palin knows a lot about autism. Amazing, since her kid has downs syndrome. Is anyone in that campaign awake?
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    Oct 16, 2008 3:21 AM GMT
    The media will have a tough time convincing us McCain won with all those snap polls showing Obama win 55-25.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:25 AM GMT
    My dad was Raymundo the Plumber and I still don't get what McCain was talking about. I don't get the impression that McCain has spent a whole lot of time (outside of the Campaign trail) with poor or middle class people. Palin either.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:27 AM GMT
    McCain didn't even get Joe's last name right....LOL.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:31 AM GMT
    i've always been a hillary person, and it was depressing to see her on tv, being obama's surrogate afterward. that being said, there's no fucking way we can have a mccain presidency.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:37 AM GMT
    I didn't see this topic so I just posted this in another forum. But here it is. My assessment of the debate:

    Obama was sharp on the first question and then became a little flat. McCain came out firing and was aggressive and went after Obama. Obama refrained from taking the bait, but he should've snapped back a little to show some fiery passion. The tone changed when Bob Scheiffer asked the question about negativity in the campaign. Obama took a more mature high road and essentially said that it's part of politics but we need to move past it because it doesn't help the American people. From there on, he came off as cool, calm, collected and therefore, more presidential. McCain, however, lost his message. He drilled the attacks and the negativity and still tried to paint Obama as inexperienced and risky, which to this point, hadn't been effective. From that point on, Obama really got back to the issues he's strongest on: the economy, health care, education (scored big points here). He also had a vision for the future. On an unrelated note, when the screen was split and Obama was talking, McCain looked like the grumpy, angry, old guy that everyone accuses him of being. He looked stiff and had pure contempt in his facial expression. Image is very important on camera. Gore in 2000 got a lot of heat because he just looked stoic and lifeless.

    At the end of the night, Obama won it, but debates are never game changers. Bush lost all three debates in '04 yet he still won the election.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:41 AM GMT
    McGay saidMcCain says autism is on the rise and that sarah palin knows a lot about autism. Amazing, since her kid has downs syndrome. Is anyone in that campaign awake?
    I was confused by that too .. maybe I have autism icon_eek.gif
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    Oct 16, 2008 5:20 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFitI was confused by that too .. maybe I have autism


    Just one of many tangential references or comments that McCain made during the debate and there were many.
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    Oct 16, 2008 6:01 AM GMT
    YAWN!...They spent too much time arguing about who has more negative campaign ads on.....don't care and didn't change my mind on anything....Gotta go with PRESIDENT Obama!
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 16, 2008 11:57 AM GMT
    Did anyone else catch this:

    When McCain started talking about Joe Biden and mentioned how he "foolishly" voted against the Persian Gulf War (1991) that McCain admitted that we went to war over Mideast Oil?

    Didn't he make this same blunder back in August and had to quickly "clarify" his same comments in order to keep Republicans happy?


    I think most people didn't catch that because it's widely accepted already that our involvement in the Mideast is about oil, but Republicans are still foot-dragging on admitting that because they deny ithat oil is the fundamental centerpiece of their foreign policy.
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    Oct 16, 2008 12:16 PM GMT
    On the CNN broadcast, some of the first words spoken by Wolf Blitzer post-debate were: "Stay tuned to see who won."

    That's ALL the corporate media cares about. The plot. The drama. The ratings. The ad revenue. Ugh.
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    Oct 16, 2008 12:46 PM GMT
    I found last night's debate uncomfortable, I noticed that I cringed a lot when John spoke. I have to give the debates to Barrack, he did a great job, which is why I cringe even more.

    I see Obama/Biden as a sinister pair who will ruin the country but; Obama looks more "Presidential" than John and I think this will give him an edge.
    Now, even Louis Farrakhan is calling Obama the Messiah. I think we're sunk. Not just the Republican chances of a victory but the continued existence of the US as we know it now.

    So, I urge you all to vote for McCain and beware a Messiah type, after all; Hitler was a great orator too.

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    Oct 16, 2008 12:55 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI found last night's debate uncomfortable, I noticed that I cringed a lot when John spoke. I have to give the debates to Barrack, he did a great job, which is why I cringe even more

    So, I urge you all to vote for McCain and beware a Messiah type, after all; Hitler was a great orator too.




    Now John, I'm waiting for McCain to take New York and California as you stated so boldly... when those states are called, you and I will have a conversation.
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    Oct 16, 2008 12:58 PM GMT
    Obama is a slick talker and he refuses to answer questions directly and honestly about Ayers. He and his surrogates constantly try to deflect the conversation with comments like "America wants to hear about the Economy and how we are going to fix it". That may be true, but they are kidding themselves if they think America isn't seeing that Obama is clearly hiding something when he doesn't answer the Ayers questions. America cares about character too. I don't think I can trust Obama.
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    Oct 16, 2008 1:01 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI found last night's debate uncomfortable, I noticed that I cringed a lot when John spoke. I have to give the debates to Barrack, he did a great job, which is why I cringe even more.

    I see Obama/Biden as a sinister pair who will ruin the country but; Obama looks more "Presidential" than John and I think this will give him an edge.
    Now, even Louis Farrakhan is calling Obama the Messiah. I think we're sunk. Not just the Republican chances of a victory but the continued existence of the US as we know it now.

    So, I urge you all to vote for McCain and beware a Messiah type, after all; Hitler was a great orator too.



    Now John the last part of your comment was a bit over the top wasn't it? Yes Adolf was an effective speaker, but so were Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan.

    In terms of the US as you know it today being "sunk", I hope you are right in some respects. A budget deficit that will be over $1 trillion dollars, a military that is overstretched, a public education system that is not even in the Top 10 in the world, over 46 million Americans without health insurance, social programs that are expected to go bankrupt that people are relying on in the future, etc.. Some aspects of today's USA need to be sunk.

    I personally have always kind of liked John McCain, and I feel he would have made a decent President. But in 2000 not in 2008. He did not distance himself enough from the current President who many Republicans (the pro-business ones anyways) think is one of the worse ever. If McCain/Palin lose November 4th, then the Republican should do some soul-searching. In what direction should they go? The socially conservative Christian right-wing part of the party has not done the GOP any favours in recent years. It is time the pro-business and growth, smaller and more effective Government part of the party reassert itself to give American independent voters a more palatable choice.
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    Oct 16, 2008 1:05 PM GMT
    McCain was desperate and visibly shaken. Unlike the last debate, his offense was much more petty and anecdotal. It was very awkward and uncomfortable when he took the majority of the time allocated to answer one question and repeated his entire platform rapidly and somewhat incoherently before the moderator had to reel him in. Obama had many opportunities to embarass McCain and, in one instance, Palin. Instead, he stuck to what people really cared about.

    As a side, great orators should be respected, not arbitrarily compared to Hitler.

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    Oct 16, 2008 1:14 PM GMT
    Let's not miss the real lesson about Joe the Plumber here. He's a plumber. If your plumber is raking in that kind of cash, you're getting ripped off.
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    Oct 16, 2008 1:20 PM GMT
    John43620 saidI found last night's debate uncomfortable, I noticed that I cringed a lot when John spoke. I have to give the debates to Barrack, he did a great job, which is why I cringe even more.

    I see Obama/Biden as a sinister pair who will ruin the country but; Obama looks more "Presidential" than John and I think this will give him an edge.
    Now, even Louis Farrakhan is calling Obama the Messiah. I think we're sunk. Not just the Republican chances of a victory but the continued existence of the US as we know it now.

    So, I urge you all to vote for McCain and beware a Messiah type, after all; Hitler was a great orator too.



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    Oct 16, 2008 1:20 PM GMT
    John,

    Are you honestly compairing Obama to Hilter???? Just when I think you can't out do yourself in these how can I call it, very colorful satements....you continue to prove me wrong.

    Yes Hilter was a very excellent orator but also part of his psychotic rant was the creation of a master race!

    That's not what going on here. Atta boy John.icon_biggrin.gif



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    Oct 16, 2008 1:22 PM GMT
    It seems John43620 wants to be David Irving. Switch off the reality distortion field!
  • germanguy888

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    Oct 16, 2008 1:28 PM GMT
    John43620 said

    So, I urge you all to vote for McCain and beware a Messiah type, after all; Hitler was a great orator too.



    did you seriously compare obama and people who are good at public speaking to hitler?! i'm sorry that is just crude and un needed! i guess mccain supporters are getting as desparate as he is
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    Oct 16, 2008 2:08 PM GMT
    JockSnack2008 saidObama is a slick talker and he refuses to answer questions directly and honestly about Ayers. He and his surrogates constantly try to deflect the conversation with comments like "America wants to hear about the Economy and how we are going to fix it". That may be true, but they are kidding themselves if they think America isn't seeing that Obama is clearly hiding something when he doesn't answer the Ayers questions. America cares about character too. I don't think I can trust Obama.

    Obama and his campaign surrogates have answered questions about his connection to Ayers a billion times, including last night. The media have thoroughly investigated the connection and debunked it.

    Exactly what more do you want done to convince you that Obama is not in cahoots with someone who belonged to a now-extinct radical group 40 years ago?

    Is there anything short of an admission that he and Ayers are plotting to blow up the Senate that would satisfy you?