I love Obama, but...

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    Oct 16, 2008 2:39 AM GMT
    I think McCain made some progress in tonight's debate. He drilled the tax hike (however ambiguous or inaccurate) and put government spending under the spotlight.

    Did Obama seem a little tired and off his game tonight?
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    Oct 16, 2008 2:43 AM GMT
    Not to me. Obama seemed clear, focused, and thoughtful. McCain seemed, at times, childish and snappish. More importantly, McCain never seemed to go into detail as to how he would implement any of his policies, whereas Obama DID explain how he would implement his policies.
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    Oct 16, 2008 2:47 AM GMT
    Yes, McCain is EVER annoying, indeed. Childish is right! But I think he really made compelling (though factually retarded) arguments on the topics that would resonate with a lot of Joe-plumber voters. Boo and *sigh*.
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    Oct 16, 2008 2:55 AM GMT
    John McCain has to be the dumbest fuckwit of all time. Sarah Palin's baby has downs syndrome, not autism. If autism is on the rise as McCain says, it's because minds like his are encouraging it. Fucking fucktard!
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    Oct 16, 2008 3:17 AM GMT
    Also, in resorting to invoking "Joe The Plumber," McCain once again referred to "regular Joe The Plumber" of America as "My old buddy," which simply came across as totally disingenuous to me. If he'd said, "My fellow American," it might have resonated more honestly.

    But, when he started talking about the struggle of the working man, my mind shut him off, thinking "What do you know about The Working Man, you who dodn't even know if you own seven houses or eight, and who's wife wears clothing and jewelry during a single appearance that cost more than many luxury homes?"
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    Oct 16, 2008 3:26 AM GMT
    But McCain IS friends with every American, that's why it's always "My friends" this and "My friends" that. Just like Palin has read any and all magazines. Classic! Double BOO!
  • MuslDrew

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    Oct 16, 2008 3:55 AM GMT
    Sounds like most of the political analysts feel it was McCains best debate performance and Obama's weakest. However, viewer polls of undecided voters watching tonights debate have declared Obama the winner by a sizable margin.
  • EricLA

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    Oct 16, 2008 3:56 AM GMT
    McCain came out strong, but those reaction shots made me cringe! All that blinking. The forced smile. There were times he couldn't bring himself to face Obama.

    I think this was the best, the most substantive debate, though still repetitive from what we heard in the other debates, at times. McCain had his best moments here, but it still wasn't enough. Obama still came out strongest, most even.
  • groundcombat

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    Oct 16, 2008 3:57 AM GMT
    zeebyaboi saidNot to me. Obama seemed clear, focused, and thoughtful. McCain seemed, at times, childish and snappish. More importantly, McCain never seemed to go into detail as to how he would implement any of his policies, whereas Obama DID explain how he would implement his policies.


    Agreed but I think that's the rational perception. Unfortunately, I don't think many undecided voters are rational.
  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 16, 2008 3:59 AM GMT
    MuslDrew saidSounds like most of the political analysts feel it was McCains best debate performance and Obama's weakest. However, viewer polls of undecided voters watching tonights debate have declared Obama the winner by a sizable margin.
    Right, I tend to agree. McCain was feisty and Obama was reserved and cool. It would seem people, at this point, prefer a steady hand at the till rather than someone who appears aggressive. I believe Obama won on style over substance.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:03 AM GMT
    Obama did well according to the polls so I am happy. However, I thought he could have put the brakes on McCain's assertions that he is not bush .. specifically he could have noted that if tax cuts for the wealthy could improve the economy then why are we so worse off after 8 years of them? Also McCain now reveals that he got his housing solution from Hillary whereas before he was saying it was his and only his idea. As well as McCain did at speaking, I just get the sense that what sounds different is insincere and his way of doing things is pretty much the same old story but angrier.

    I agree that Obama seemed more sedate. But maybe it is all well calculated and he really knows people, because the polls are pretty much saying Obama won.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:06 AM GMT
    Obama continued to be very Presidential and stuck to the topics. McCain appeared to be very desperate in his mannerisms and performance and the camera caught him rolling his eyes and clenching his jaw several times. The interactions that the candidates have with their wives after their debates says a lot....McCains body language is cold and stiff as if he's hugging his wife for a photo opp...Obama and Michelle are really lovin' each other.
  • SkyMiles

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    Oct 16, 2008 4:07 AM GMT
    All Obama had to do tonight was stall. The debates are over with BUT Obama bought 1/2 hour on CBS primetime tv, Oct. 29, to talk about whatever he wants to without a moderator and without John McCryptkeeper biting at his ankles.

    http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20081009/POLITICS-US-USA-POLITICS-OBAMA-TELEVISION/
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:12 AM GMT
    McGay saidJohn McCain has to be the dumbest fuckwit of all time. Sarah Palin's baby has downs syndrome, not autism. If autism is on the rise as McCain says, it's because minds like his are encouraging it. Fucking fucktard!


    Why so hostile? I swear it does no good for anyone or anything. But hey you have the right to act however you want to I guess, I just think it is pointless. I am so glad all this will soon be over.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:34 AM GMT
    My assessment of the debate:

    Obama was sharp on the first question and then became a little flat. McCain came out firing and was aggressive and went after Obama. Obama refrained from taking the bait, but he should've snapped back a little to show some fiery passion. The tone changed when Bob Scheiffer asked the question about negativity in the campaign. Obama took a more mature high road and essentially said that it's part of politics but we need to move past it because it doesn't help the American people. From there on, he came off as cool, calm, collected and therefore, more presidential. McCain, however, lost his message. He drilled the attacks and the negativity and still tried to paint Obama as inexperienced and risky, which to this point, hadn't been effective. From that point on, Obama really got back to the issues he's strongest on: the economy, health care, education (scored big points here). He also had a vision for the future. On an unrelated note, when the screen was split and Obama was talking, McCain looked like the grumpy, angry, old guy that everyone accuses him of being. He looked stiff and had pure contempt in his facial expression. Image is very important on camera. Gore in 2000 got a lot of heat because he just looked stoic and lifeless.

    At the end of the night, Obama won it, but debates are never game changers. Bush lost all three debates in '04 yet he still won the election.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:36 AM GMT
    he's consistently shown that he's not a closer. he sat on his lead against hillary and he's sitting on his lead again with mccain. i just hope that he can deliver on his promises, or we're screwed for another 4 years.
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    Oct 16, 2008 4:50 AM GMT
    Obama was the picture of class and grace through McCain's aggressive attacks. I just wonder if it will be interpreted as flat and unimpassioned by comparison.

    Overall, I fear that voters will buy into the "immediate fix" approach that comes from the nearsightedness of the McCain strategy. I'm not sure if the average, undecided American has the wisdom or patience that the Obama strategy requires.

    And the blinking added to the creepy joker smile was bugging me out too!
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    Oct 16, 2008 10:18 AM GMT
    chizzadWhy so hostile?


    If he's going to use the palin kid to gain points by tugging at 'merka's heartstrings (pretty loathesome in and of itself), then, at least get the fucking thing right. McFucktard is so out of touch he can't even remember what he's supposed to say to effectively take advantage of this "special needs" kid.
  • GQjock

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    Oct 16, 2008 10:51 AM GMT
    He tried but he JUST couldn't do it
    McCain might have come closer but Obama still won the debate by being clear
    concise and Presidential
    You could see the frustration written All over McCain's face everytime Barack spoke

    and by now I don't think there are anymore True undecided voters
    and if they say so they're buckin' for stint on next season's Survivor

    I saw David Sedaris last night and he said an undecided voter right now is like a passenger on a plane
    The stewardess comes down and asks .... We have two choices for you tday
    Would you like the Roasted chicken?
    Or the Human Shit ............... the human shit is prepared with shards of glass

    and the undecided voter says
    .... and how was the chicken cooked?
  • cowboyathlete

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    Oct 16, 2008 11:33 AM GMT
    The fat lady is backstage, warming up her voice...
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 16, 2008 11:52 AM GMT
    Did anyone else catch this:

    When McCain started talking about Joe Biden and mentioned how he "foolishly" voted against the Persian Gulf War (1991) that McCain admitted that we went to war over Mideast Oil?

    Didn't he make this same blunder back in August and had to quickly "clarify" his same comments in order to keep Republicans happy?


    I think most people didn't catch that because it's widely accepted already that our involvement in the Mideast is about oil, but Republicans are still foot-dragging on admitting that because they deny ithat oil is the fundamental centerpiece of their foreign policy.
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    Oct 16, 2008 12:13 PM GMT
    It was McCain's face making and surly demeanor. Even when he had the contextual upper hand in the first 25 minutes - despite being slightly inaccurate but generally astute (the tax issue really falls on how an individual feels government money should used as to whether you thought win/fail here) - he began and continued to make those awful faces and speak with that petulant, rich white boy tone that I think really rubs most Americans the WRONG way. Bush's brilliance, if it can be called that, was to completely masque his true nature as a rich spoiled brat. He projected that everyman facade despite being wholly upper crust and oligarchic. Obama counters McCain's bad attitude with a most admirably cool calm demeanor that definitely conveys a certain kind of surety that our country will need in the days ahead.
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    Oct 16, 2008 1:06 PM GMT
    McCain made the points but was seemingly unable to drive them home. He let Obama get away with the same evasive answers on William Ayers that he always gives. It was McCain's perfect opportunity to pin Obama agaist the wall and not let him get away with it this time, but McCain wouldn't do it. Even when Obama played down his involvement with Accorn, McCain gave him a pass rather than nailing Obama to the wall. I was very discouraged. McCain is just too much of a gentleman, when he needs to put on the gloves and throw some hard punches.
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    Oct 16, 2008 1:10 PM GMT
    McCain has at least the wisdom not to challenge Mr. Obama on such matters too strongly. He knows there's nothing there. He did make his challenge, Mr. Obama answered, and McHotair knew enough to drop it. So much for kicking Obama's "you know what"! McCain can't lift his leg high enough to kick anything, let alone the ass of a superior man.
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    Oct 16, 2008 1:19 PM GMT
    JockSnack2008 saidMcCain made the points but was seemingly unable to drive them home. He let Obama get away with the same evasive answers on William Ayers that he always gives. It was McCain's perfect opportunity to pin Obama agaist the wall and not let him get away with it this time, but McCain wouldn't do it. Even when Obama played down his involvement with Accorn, McCain gave him a pass rather than nailing Obama to the wall. I was very discouraged. McCain is just too much of a gentleman, when he needs to put on the gloves and throw some hard punches.


    Drawing attention to the Ayers thing is the LEAST gentlemanly thing McCain did all night when he and every member of the press (who have investigated the allegations to exhaustion) know there is nothing to it. Obama's answers were brief, not vague. That's a product of Obama's knack for tailoring the message for the medium. And McCain is following right in Bush's footsteps by trying to use fear to manipulate the American people to do his will. Despicable, not gentlemanly.