Vegan Flips Out Over Restaurant Bill After Bringing His Own Pasta

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    Apr 04, 2013 5:29 PM GMT
    Vegans are pushy and have crossed the line, the nerve of some peopleicon_twisted.gif

    http://www.inquisitr.com/603270/vegan-flips-out-over-restaurant-bill-after-bringing-his-own-pasta/

    Here is my ingredients, now go and cook them for me....vegan lazy slobsicon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 04, 2013 7:22 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidBloody vegan idiots. Shaking my damn head over this one. Hope they were banned. Try getting McDonalds to do that for ya. icon_rolleyes.gif

    A year ago my husband chose to begin having only whole wheat pasta, as being better for his health. As an Italian he can't give up pasta entirely, but he became convinced whole wheat would be better for him, which is hard to find in restaurants. But he's no Vegan, nor am I.

    So he asked our favorite Italian restaurant if they would allow us to bring his own whole wheat. They agreed, or we wouldn't have done it. We asked for no price adjustment, because we knew they made their pasta in bigger batches, as orders were combined.

    To boil my husband's pasta in a smaller pot required more work by the chef, offsetting their cost saving by using our pasta instead of theirs. Added labor cost versus less product cost, plus slowing down their kitchen operation a little. A fair trade-off in our minds. And what did it cost us extra? A couple dollars?

    And BTW, when I went to this same restaurant the other day to get a meal for my husband who's still convalescing at home, getting something special that's not normally a take-out item for them, the owner comped us for free. The entire meal on him. That more than made up for the cost of an inexpensive box of whole wheat pasta we had brought them a few times.

    When you are pleasant, reasonable and not demanding with people you can have your special orders & accommodations without hassle. Be nasty & arrogant and you can expect to receive no favors at all.
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    Apr 04, 2013 8:34 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]scruffLA said[/cite]Vegans are pushy and have crossed the line, the nerve of some people[quote]

    It's only one vegan. Chances are if he was an omnivore he'd be just as insufferable.
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    Apr 04, 2013 11:18 PM GMT
    He should move to San Francisco. There's a really great restaurant here called Herbavore. It's totally vegan. He won't have to bring his own pasta.
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    Apr 04, 2013 11:38 PM GMT
    You can't blame this on being vegan. They were obviously [broke] assholes before making the switch.

    And all this over 12 fucking bucks? Pfft...that won't even buy one of my drinks at a bar.
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    Apr 04, 2013 11:39 PM GMT
    "Marlboro, NJ – A vegan flipped out after he and his partner were charged the full price in a restaruant – despite bringing their own pasta."

    So if they brought their own bread and butter they should get a dollar or two off? When does it end?

    This is not unusual and nobody should expect something for nothing. In particular, pasta costs almost nothing, so imagine how I felt when my own local, expensive 4 star Italian restaurant from which I frequently ordered takeout wanted to charge me the full $16.95 spaghetti marinara price for a plate of sauceless whole wheat pasta. (I had my own healthy sauce but was out of my own whole wheat pasta, which I was too tired to cook anyway, and was picking up a full price dinner for someone else who hates whole wheat pasta anyway.) $16.95 for maybe $2 worth of pasta tops, for a longtime profitable customer? I told 'em that I didn't care what their overhead was and there was no way I was going to pay that markup, I'd buy my own at the supermarket next door and cook it myself but I'd pick up the other order. By the way, I don't frequent that place nearly as much anymore - I don't flip out, I get even.

    The point is, I didn't expect something for nothing - I asked. Those vegans should've asked what the charge for the meal would be when they brought their own pasta; by not asking, they deserved what they got. As for their list of particulars which didn't look particularly exhaustive I didn't think it was problematic - most restaurants "cook to order" given how everyone these days is on a special diet. Since my friends and I are (largely) no longer in our twenties I can't even throw a dinner party anymore without catering to "special needs," i.e. this one can't have sugar, that one no salt, that one's a vegan, the other kosher, she's lactose-intolerant, he's allergic to shellfish...endless!
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    Apr 05, 2013 12:24 AM GMT
    eagermuscle said"Marlboro, NJ – A vegan flipped out after he and his partner were charged the full price in a restaruant – despite bringing their own pasta."

    So if they brought their own bread and butter they should get a dollar or two off? When does it end?

    This is not unusual and nobody should expect something for nothing. In particular, pasta costs almost nothing, so imagine how I felt when my own local, expensive 4 star Italian restaurant from which I frequently ordered takeout wanted to charge me the full $16.95 spaghetti marinara price for a plate of sauceless whole wheat pasta. (I had my own healthy sauce but was out of my own whole wheat pasta, which I was too tired to cook anyway, and was picking up a full price dinner for someone else who hates whole wheat pasta anyway.) $16.95 for maybe $2 worth of pasta tops, for a longtime profitable customer? I told 'em that I didn't care what their overhead was and there was no way I was going to pay that markup, I'd buy my own at the supermarket next door and cook it myself but I'd pick up the other order. By the way, I don't frequent that place nearly as much anymore - I don't flip out, I get even.

    The point is, I didn't expect something for nothing - I asked. Those vegans should've asked what the charge for the meal would be when they brought their own pasta; by not asking, they deserved what they got. As for their list of particulars which didn't look particularly exhaustive I didn't think it was problematic - most restaurants "cook to order" given how everyone these days is on a special diet. Since my friends and I are (largely) no longer in our twenties I can't even throw a dinner party anymore without catering to "special needs," i.e. this one can't have sugar, that one no sale, that one's a vegan, the other kosher, she's lactose-intolerant, he's allergic to shellfish...endless!


    When does it end?
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    Apr 05, 2013 12:46 AM GMT
    A lesbian friend of ours is a Vegan, and it's no chore going to restaurants with her because she knows plenty of places that will have things we all can eat. Plus she's really not very fussy, and will stretch her rules if she must to be gracious, and we're pretty flexible, too. But it's not always that easy.

    An ex-BF had a Vegan friend who'd ask to go along with us if we were riding into town for dinner, "just for company". Problem is there were NO places the friend liked to eat, but my ex would have us go to Chinese and other places he himself liked. And I'd say to him this isn't going to work but he wouldn't listen.

    The Vegan would put the server through Hell, requiring a custom meal off-menu to be made for him, and insisting to know every single ingredient that went into the food. Plus he'd bring his own brown bag stuff, and put that on the plate, too. Or that would be all he would eat, ordering only water, if they couldn't satisfy him with anything from their kitchen. You can imagine how happy that made the staff, to have their other customers seeing someone else brown-bagging it in the dining room. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 05, 2013 5:31 AM GMT
    Some restaurants charge a corkage fee. I don't see why they don't charge a similar fee for bringing your own food. Seems fair to me.
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    Apr 05, 2013 5:53 AM GMT
    After reading the link, it seems to me that the manager likely didn't inform the picky eater at the time the order was taken that the price would be the menu-stated price and not some anticipated lower price.
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    Apr 05, 2013 6:18 AM GMT
    I've been to all kinds of restaurants in the south where you're actually required to bring your own wine, and then pay the waiter to open it for you. It seemed strange to an outsider, but seemed to be SOP.

    Really, screwing up the normal business process costs the restaurant far more than any token charge on the bill.

    Long digression:
    I once dated a woman (who later decided she was a vegan) who almost got us thrown out of every restaurant we ever went in to. She would ask some ludicrous question about every single item on the menu.
    Were these chickens provided with feather pillows to sleep on?
    "um... not that I know of"
    Nose in the air *sniff*
    Has the pasta been blessed by a guru?
    "um... not that I know of"
    Nose in the air *sniff*
    and so on (all this in, like, a truck stop, btw) all the way to the bottom of the menu.
    Just bring me some lettuce washed in mineral water with a twist of lemon.
    Then, until our food came, she would loudly discuss the sort of service that she expected in a restaurant.

    So, that summer, I'm sure that I ate a lot of spit and urine, although I never quite had the food thrown in my face. (Although I did get a pitcher of beer dumped on me.) And paid a lot of 100% tips. The guy who finally married that c*%t was soooo proud of taking her away from me, but every time I sat down at a meeting with him (company town) all I could thing was sucker. Man, did I dodge a bullet there.
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    Apr 05, 2013 6:19 AM GMT
    xrichx saidSome restaurants charge a corkage fee. I don't see why they don't charge a similar fee for bringing your own food. Seems fair to me.


    In this situation I think that instead of charging a corkage fee I would have been provoked a gratis demonstration of how to perform a perfect corkage on a certain customer. This guy crossed the line.
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    Apr 05, 2013 6:22 AM GMT
    GAMRican saidHe should move to San Francisco. There's a really great restaurant here called Herbavore. It's totally vegan. He won't have to bring his own pasta.


    There are a lot of vegan/vegetarian/raw food restaurants in many places in California.


    http://www.happycow.net/

    http://www.vrg.org/restaurant/

    http://www.vegdining.com/Home.cfm
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    Apr 05, 2013 6:37 AM GMT
    xrichx saidSome restaurants charge a corkage fee. I don't see why they don't charge a similar fee for bringing your own food. Seems fair to me.


    were not talking about bringing your own wine and whats the point of bringing your own food to a non vegan restaurant or any restaurant for that matter? so the vegan can shame the waitstaff and cooks for not serving their lifestyle and make a scene in front of other customers?

    im in my favorite restaurant, if i wanted a t-bone steak, do i:

    a) after viewing the menu and dont see t-bone steak, get up and leave
    b) ive been there before and know they dont have t-bone, bring my own steak and hope they cook it for me
    c) go to a steak house where i know there will be t-bone steaks on the menu
    d) cook my store bought steak at home, on the barb-b-q

    this is not rocket science, its common sense and courtesy to those in the service industry, apparently agenda driven vegans dont have and dont care, the world revolves around their emotional ego, i would have thrown their ass out of my restaurant, this subject sounds like a good one for the show, "What Would You Do"? http://abc.go.com/watch/what-would-you-do/SH5555951
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    Apr 05, 2013 6:39 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete said[quote][cite]scruffLA said[/cite]Vegans are pushy and have crossed the line, the nerve of some people[quote]

    It's only one vegan. Chances are if he was an omnivore he'd be just as insufferable.


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    GAMRican saidHe should move to San Francisco. There's a really great restaurant here called Herbavore. It's totally vegan. He won't have to bring his own pasta.


    Or Oakland! Herbivore, Souley Vegan, The Olde Depot, Saturn Cafe, Fat Bottom Bakery, Donut Farm...the list goes on and on. I'm not vegan but have a lot of vegan friends, none of whom are insufferable, so I've gotten quite a tour of the vegan restaurant circuit. East Bay is the place to be! With a few exceptions, I've been pretty impressed with their offerings.
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    Apr 05, 2013 6:54 AM GMT
    I made some really good short ribs tonight. I liked the pork better than the beef.

    I'm sorry, I love food too much to deal with this kind of crap. Don't go to a restaurant with your own food... it's RUDE! I take a lot of pride in the product at my restaurant and my chefs do an amazing job preparing some beautiful and delicious food. Find places that are prepared to meet your needs, they exist.

    Anywho, years ago I had a lady order enchiladas and she had a fit because I didn't tell her they had cheese in them... enchiladas! Her plate went back 4 times before my head chef boxed it up and sent her home telling her the dinner was on the house. At some point people just need to leave the restaurant and work out their nasty disposition on their own.

    I love vegan food btw. It is a genre of food that requires creativity and exploration. It is not for the lazy or undetermined. If you truly want to embrace veganism you are going to have to get a little more adventerous than pasta. It is a shame that vegans give themselves such a bad reputation. I rarely go to my favorite vegan restaurant here in Denver because the service is really poor. The attitude is not condusive for helping people enjoy an experience that they might not understand right away.
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    Apr 05, 2013 6:56 AM GMT
    CFL_Oakland said
    TroyAthlete said[quote][cite]scruffLA said[/cite]Vegans are pushy and have crossed the line, the nerve of some people[quote]

    It's only one vegan. Chances are if he was an omnivore he'd be just as insufferable.


    This.

    GAMRican saidHe should move to San Francisco. There's a really great restaurant here called Herbavore. It's totally vegan. He won't have to bring his own pasta.


    Or Oakland! Herbivore, Souley Vegan, The Olde Depot, Saturn Cafe, Fat Bottom Bakery, Donut Farm...the list goes on and on. I'm not vegan but have a lot of vegan friends, none of whom are insufferable, so I've gotten quite a tour of the vegan restaurant circuit. East Bay is the place to be! With a few exceptions, I've been pretty impressed with their offerings.


    CFL, do you take a sirloin with you and give the vegan kitchen instructions for preparing it for you? I know the spaghetti doesn't seem quite the same, but in terms of interrupting the production flow of a restaurant, it could well be similar. It doesn't seem to be a great mystery to know that restaurants ecide what they can do and what they can charge for it before putting an item on the menu. Mr. Spaghetti simply upset the apple cart.

    I do agree that vegan restaurants can be quite tasty!
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    Apr 05, 2013 7:02 AM GMT
    imbrad saidI made some really good short ribs tonight. I liked the pork better than the beef.

    I'm sorry, I love food too much to deal with this kind of crap. Don't go to a restaurant with your own food... it's RUDE! I take a lot of pride in the product at my restaurant and my chefs do an amazing job preparing some beautiful and delicious food. Find places that are prepared to meet your needs, they exist.

    Anywho, years ago I had a lady order enchiladas and she had a fit because I didn't tell her they had cheese in them... enchiladas! Her plate went back 4 times before my head chef boxed it up and sent her home telling her the dinner was on the house. At some point people just need to leave the restaurant and work out their nasty disposition on their own.

    I love vegan food btw. It is a genre of food that requires creativity and exploration. It is not for the lazy or undetermined. If you truly want to embrace veganism you are going to have to get a little more adventerous than pasta. It is a shame that vegans give themselves such a bad reputation. I rarely go to my favorite vegan restaurant here in Denver because the service is really poor. The attitude is not condusive for helping people enjoy an experience that they might not understand right away.


    This is because they dont enjoy the food, self deprivation eaters are in it because of the emotion and the bandwagon cause
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    Apr 05, 2013 7:02 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    xrichx saidSome restaurants charge a corkage fee. I don't see why they don't charge a similar fee for bringing your own food. Seems fair to me.


    were not talking about bringing your own wine and whats the point of bringing your own food to a non vegan restaurant or any restaurant for that matter? so the vegan can shame the waitstaff and cooks for not serving their lifestyle and make a scene in front of other customers?

    im in my favorite restaurant, if i wanted a t-bone steak, do i:

    a) after viewing the menu and dont see t-bone steak, get up and leave
    b) ive been there before and know they dont have t-bone, bring my own steak and hope they cook it for me
    c) go to a steak house where i know there will be t-bone steaks on the menu
    d) cook my store bought steak at home, on the barb-b-q

    this is not rocket science, its common sense and courtesy to those in the service industry, apparently agenda driven vegans dont have and dont care, the world revolves around their ego, i would have thrown their ass out of my restaurant, this subject sounds like a good one for the show, "What Would You Do"? http://abc.go.com/watch/what-would-you-do/SH5555951


    Thank you! When I want vegan food I go to one of my vegan restaurants. When I want vegitarian I go to any of the many places that have wonderful vegitarian food. When I want to get drunk I go to a bar...
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    Apr 05, 2013 7:12 AM GMT
    Chinese vegetarian food is usually totally vegan, just remember to avoid egg.

    This story has been picked up by anti-Semites. This is what they said:

    http://mypostingcareer.com/forums/topic/6878-jews-bring-their-own-pasta-and-a-50-dollar-voucher-into-a-restaurant/

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    Apr 05, 2013 7:15 AM GMT
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    Fortis saidChinese vegetarian food is usually totally vegan, just remember to avoid egg.

    This story has been picked up by anti-Semites. This is what they said:

    http://mypostingcareer.com/forums/topic/6878-jews-bring-their-own-pasta-and-a-50-dollar-voucher-into-a-restaurant/
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    Apr 05, 2013 7:29 AM GMT
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    scruffLA said
    Fortis saidChinese vegetarian food is usually totally vegan, just remember to avoid egg.

    This story has been picked up by anti-Semites. This is what they said:

    http://mypostingcareer.com/forums/topic/6878-jews-bring-their-own-pasta-and-a-50-dollar-voucher-into-a-restaurant/
    How funny is that? icon_lol.gif

    def, "What Would You Do"? http://abc.go.com/watch/what-would-you-do/SH5555951



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    Apr 05, 2013 7:30 AM GMT
    If they are going to be this demanding, they need to either cook it themselves, or on a special occasion - hire a private chef - who would also charge full price.

    The restaurant should not have refunded the $12.
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    Apr 05, 2013 7:40 AM GMT
    WTF?

    "OK, I'm going to demand a custom off-the-menu item and set the price."

    They were acting if the pasta was the most expensive part of the dish. That, coupled with the self-entitled attitude... sheesh. icon_rolleyes.gif

    I might have sautéed the meal in my own (non-oil-based!) piss.
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    Apr 05, 2013 8:21 AM GMT
    scruffLA said

    This is because they dont enjoy the food, self deprivation eaters are in it because of the emotion and the bandwagon cause


    No, not at all...

    Look, I think the guys in the article are totally in the wrong and annoying as all hell, and 90% of vegans would agree. But it seems that you're not really bothering to understand why someone might choose a vegan diet for themselves and instead just making an assumption to trivialize that choice. There's nothing "bandwagon" about veganism. No, really, it went out of style about 15 years ago. Vegans, like many others, just live their lives according to the principles they've decided on. For instance, one of them volunteers multiple days per month at a rabbit rescue.

    You and I may or may not share those principles, and if we do, we may not decide that a vegan diet is really the most effective means of working towards them, but it sounds like you could learn something from expanding your circle of friends.

    And they definitely enjoy the food - most are good cooks, and they are flattered if you make an effort to accommodate them.