Second Coming Out

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    Apr 05, 2013 3:08 AM GMT
    A good friend of mine (and a former RJ member) wrote about his second coming out- as a Christian, I'm proud to call this man a friend and appreciate how he honors his relationship with another former RJer.
    http://www.cddny.com/blog/2013/4/3/the-second-coming-out.html
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    Apr 05, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    Cool! It's sad that it now takes courage to say that your religious these day. Used to take courage (still does) to come out as gay. Circle of hate seems to be the circle of life...
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    Apr 05, 2013 4:38 AM GMT
    TonyC646 saidCool! It's sad that it now takes courage to say that your religious these day. Used to take courage (still does) to come out as gay. Circle of hate seems to be the circle of life...


    This. Especially when ALL of something is lump together. I don't agree with everything Tino said in his post, but I applaud him for his beliefs as an individual thinker.
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    Apr 05, 2013 8:09 AM GMT
    This so cool! I Totally agree!!! Thank you for sharing this, I think your friend is really brave and pretty darn awesome! I pray for the best for both of themicon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 05, 2013 8:23 AM GMT
    Congratulations to both of them!!! I wish them all the best!!!
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    Apr 05, 2013 9:30 AM GMT
    yourname2000 saidMeh. Redacting is gorgeous, and so is 19c79 (or whatever his handle is), but Christianity (or god-forbid ANY religion) is never a plus in my books. I'm troubled when a guy still believes in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy or any other imaginary childhood friends.


    And you date black guys??? Good luck with squaring that one.

    To the OP: Tino is amazing. One of the best conversations of my life.
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    Apr 05, 2013 9:37 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    Are you saying every black guy is religious? icon_wink.gif Because yeah, that probably would eventually be a problem, lol.


    In America, black culture comes from the church. It has positives (that's where we pick up the rhythm lacking in...uh...other people) and negatives (rampant homophobia), but you are not going to separate most black Americans from theism even once you get them out of church.

    A black atheist is tantamount to a unicorn (in the States).
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    Apr 05, 2013 9:56 AM GMT
    Trollileo said
    TonyC646 saidCool! It's sad that it now takes courage to say that your religious these day.
    Except not really.


    +1
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    Apr 05, 2013 10:35 AM GMT
    yourname2000 said
    Hmmm.....and I'm terrible at keeping my mouth shut. icon_confused.gif This might not end well. icon_neutral.gif


    Just tag along and enjoy the music. Think of it as a concert -- or a living museum exhibit. That's what I always had my atheist (read: white) friends do when I drug them to church to see me sing.
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    Apr 05, 2013 11:16 AM GMT
    He says:

    "Prayer, the reading of scripture, and personal experience have taught me that promiscuity and premarital sex are deleterious to the soul. Sex outside of marriage is sinful because it drives us away from God, because it devalues love."

    Is premarital sex ALWAYS deleterious to the soul? What is so different about the act the day before the priest or minister says the "magic" words and the act the night after they're spoken? Why does the sex act before the "magic" words devalue love and the act after the "magic" words somehow not?

    It's what's in a person's heart that devalues the act of love not its relation in time to when some hocus pocus is mumbled over a couple.

    It's what's in a person's heart that counts and only god (if you're a believer) can accurately read what's in a person's heart.
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    Apr 05, 2013 11:23 AM GMT
    They're hot, adorable, spiritual/religious, and gay?
    As long as they love their gay, and God, I've got nothing to say!
    #jelly
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    Apr 05, 2013 1:09 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidHe says:

    "Prayer, the reading of scripture, and personal experience have taught me that promiscuity and premarital sex are deleterious to the soul. Sex outside of marriage is sinful because it drives us away from God, because it devalues love."

    Is premarital sex ALWAYS deleterious to the soul? What is so different about the act the day before the priest or minister says the "magic" words and the act the night after they're spoken? Why does the sex act before the "magic" words devalue love and the act after the "magic" words somehow not?

    It's what's in a person's heart that devalues the act of love not its relation in time to when some hocus pocus is mumbled over a couple.

    It's what's in a person's heart that counts and only god (if you're a believer) can accurately read what's in a person's heart.


    I'm hoping they are in a State where they can get married or they're in for a very long haul if the courts don't OK it.

    The quote you took, UnderCoverMan, bothers me to no end, because it's stated in a way of a judgement that implies it applies to everyone else.

    Fixed it would read:
    " Prayer, the reading of scripture, and personal experience have taught me that promiscuity and premarital sex are deleterious to MY soul. Sex outside of marriage FOR ME is sinful because it drives ME away from God, because FOR ME it devalues love."



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    Apr 05, 2013 1:22 PM GMT
    You do realize the quote isn't mine?

    Being Christian they need to find a Christian church to marry them and even then how can they be sure it's a marriage in a Christian sect that the Christian god finds acceptable?

    And how can they be sure the Christian god accepts gay marriage?

    All too often our "gods" are just a reflection of our own beliefs.
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    Apr 05, 2013 1:35 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidYou do realize the quote isn't mine?



    You thought I thought those were your words?
    How so?
    "The quote you took, UnderCoverMan,..." means the bit you took and quoted from the fellow's blog.
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    Apr 05, 2013 9:26 PM GMT
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    yourname2000 said
    Hmmm.....and I'm terrible at keeping my mouth shut. icon_confused.gif This might not end well. icon_neutral.gif


    Just tag along and enjoy the music. Think of it as a concert -- or a living museum exhibit. That's what I always had my atheist (read: white) friends do when I drug them to church to see me sing.


    I'm not surprised you had to drug your atheist friends to get them to church. icon_lol.gif

    Apologies, it was just too good to resist (I know you meant dragged) icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 05, 2013 9:28 PM GMT
    That article make me respect him very little.

    I know a lot of you guys like him, but gawwwd, what a publicity whore.
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    Apr 05, 2013 9:46 PM GMT
    I hate be disrespectful to the dude that wrote the article but Jesus is not God.
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    Apr 05, 2013 10:03 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    yourname2000 said
    Are you saying every black guy is religious? icon_wink.gif Because yeah, that probably would eventually be a problem, lol.


    In America, black culture comes from the church. It has positives (that's where we pick up the rhythm lacking in...uh...other people) and negatives (rampant homophobia), but you are not going to separate most black Americans from theism even once you get them out of church.

    A black atheist is tantamount to a unicorn (in the States).

    TIL that I am a unicorn.
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    Apr 05, 2013 11:47 PM GMT
    I thought this thread was about the second "coming out" of Christ.
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    Apr 06, 2013 12:51 AM GMT
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    Trollileo said
    TonyC646 saidCool! It's sad that it now takes courage to say that your religious these day.
    Except not really.


    +1



    Try being religious in the media. Its easier on the field.
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    Apr 06, 2013 7:24 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    I'm not surprised you had to drug your atheist friends to get them to church. icon_lol.gif

    Apologies, it was just too good to resist (I know you meant dragged) icon_wink.gif


    Ha. Love it. Yes, I never did get that drug vs. dragged #eruditeshame
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    Apr 06, 2013 7:25 AM GMT
    TonyC646 said
    TroyAthlete said
    Trollileo said
    TonyC646 saidCool! It's sad that it now takes courage to say that your religious these day.
    Except not really.


    +1



    Try being religious in the media. Its easier on the field.


    Yes, but the field represents 99% of the country.
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    Apr 06, 2013 7:30 AM GMT
    He's dating that guy form this site. I don't know his screen name.icon_neutral.gif

    The ginger!