Hyeonseo Lee: My escape from North Korea

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    Apr 05, 2013 4:18 PM GMT
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    Apr 05, 2013 7:14 PM GMT
    Beautiful speech. Very Ted. Made me think of what my family must have endured escaping the Russian pogroms in the 1800s, emigrating to the United States and creating a body of work intertwined within the Americana enduring generations beyond.

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    My paternal greatgrandfather left everything behind but for I would imagine what he could escape with, and made his way to America, becaming a tailor to a US president. His kids accomplished even more. You never know where life's gonna bring you.

    We are all citizens of the world without a proper passport. Lucky just to survive.

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    'I am a citizen of the world"~~Diogenes of Sinope circa 412 bce

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    In another thread not long ago, I forget who but I remember being surprised by someone writing that everyone's replaceable. Bucky Fuller begged to differ:

    "Never forget that you are one of a kind. Never forget that if there weren't any need for you in all your uniqueness to be on this earth, you wouldn't be here in the first place. And never forget, no matter how overwhelming life's challenges and problems seem to be, that one person can make a difference in the world. In fact, it is always because of one person that all the changes that matter in the world come about. So be that one person"
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    Apr 06, 2013 12:58 AM GMT
    theantijock said"Never forget that you are one of a kind. Never forget that if there weren't any need for you in all your uniqueness to be on this earth, you wouldn't be here in the first place. And never forget, no matter how overwhelming life's challenges and problems seem to be, that one person can make a difference in the world. In fact, it is always because of one person that all the changes that matter in the world come about. So be that one person"

    That's very nice!
    & I always try to be icon_smile.gif
    The whole world is a single nation only divided by imaginary lines.
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    Apr 06, 2013 1:19 AM GMT
    I like to think that North Korea is not really so bad, and that most of its citizens are living regular lives, above the poverty line, something like the old East Germany. Not great but reasonably efficient.

    The famine must have been terrible and North Korea must be terrible for those citizens who are less equal in their "equal" society. They probably have a wealth distribution which is something like the dual economies found in the third world; a necessary elite and mass of people who are definitely very poor, but not living lives of impossible hardship, and of course, the starving.

    We know this:

    At least some ex-North Koreans are able to communicate with relatives still living there. At least, they can send foreign currency into the country for those relatives, and at least some North Koreans live without want.
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    Apr 06, 2013 1:42 AM GMT
    @ Fortis.

    Noooo...It's a lot worse than you think!
    Perhaps as worse as What Hitler did to Jews, or what Stalin did to his people whom he didn't trust...
    If you watch few documentaries about N Korea, you'll understand the gravity of the situation.
    It's one of the worst places in the world to be born!
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    Apr 06, 2013 1:52 AM GMT
    Fortis saidI like to think that North Korea is not really so bad


    Yeah - and I'm sure that delusion helps you sleep better at night as a result.
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    Apr 06, 2013 2:56 AM GMT
    Harry7785 said@ Fortis.

    Noooo...It's a lot worse than you think!
    Perhaps as worse as What Hitler did to Jews, or what Stalin did to his people whom he didn't trust...
    If you watch few documentaries about N Korea, you'll understand the gravity of the situation.
    It's one of the worst places in the world to be born!


    There are vested interests projecting an image of North Korea which might be far worse than the reality. The truth is that we do not know, it could be better than or worse than we know.

    We know that here are gulags where generations of whole families of people regarded as subversives are kept prisoner, and that there is probably human experimentation, but these sorts of atrocities are not unique to particular political ideologies.

    In free capitalist England, servicemen have were used as "guinea pigs" as late as the 1950s at Porton Down. It is said that human experiments no longer take place there, and that animals are used instead, but can we be sure?

    The US has a gulag called Guantanamo Bay, and South Korea has executed political dissidents sympathetic to the North. In 1942 110,000 Japanese-Americans were put into internment camps where some died due of lack of medical treatment and most lost property and livelihoods, because of racial hysteria.

    Many anti-war activists and political dissidents were locked up during WWII in Britain.

    People often attribute atrocity solely to the political ideologies to which they are opposed, whilst conveniently ignoring those of their own.
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    Apr 06, 2013 3:47 AM GMT
    Fortis said
    Harry7785 said

    There are vested interests projecting an image of North Korea which might be far worse than the reality. The truth is that we do not know, it could be better than or worse than we know.

    We know that here are gulags where generations of whole families of people regarded as subversives are kept prisoner, and that there is probably human experimentation, but these sorts of atrocities are not unique to particular political ideologies.

    In free capitalist England, servicemen have were used as "guinea pigs" as late as the 1950s at Porton Down. It is said that human experiments no longer take place there, and that animals are used instead, but can we be sure?

    The US has a gulag called Guantanamo Bay, and South Korea has executed political dissidents sympathetic to the North. In 1942 110,000 Japanese-Americans were put into internment camps where some died due of lack of medical treatment and most lost property and livelihoods, because of racial hysteria.

    Many anti-war activists and political dissidents were locked up during WWII in Britain.

    People often attribute atrocity solely to the political ideologies to which they are opposed, whilst conveniently ignoring those of their own.


    Yes...totally agreed!
    There are many incidents similar to what you have said above are happening right now in almost every nation.
    While some countries which are going evil on one side & blaming others who do evil...is foolishness!
    In those cases, I blame both nations equally & don't take sides.
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    Apr 06, 2013 3:50 AM GMT
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    Fortis said
    Harry7785 said

    There are vested interests projecting an image of North Korea which might be far worse than the reality. The truth is that we do not know, it could be better than or worse than we know.

    We know that here are gulags where generations of whole families of people regarded as subversives are kept prisoner, and that there is probably human experimentation, but these sorts of atrocities are not unique to particular political ideologies.

    In free capitalist England, servicemen have were used as "guinea pigs" as late as the 1950s at Porton Down. It is said that human experiments no longer take place there, and that animals are used instead, but can we be sure?

    The US has a gulag called Guantanamo Bay, and South Korea has executed political dissidents sympathetic to the North. In 1942 110,000 Japanese-Americans were put into internment camps where some died due of lack of medical treatment and most lost property and livelihoods, because of racial hysteria.

    Many anti-war activists and political dissidents were locked up during WWII in Britain.

    People often attribute atrocity solely to the political ideologies to which they are opposed, whilst conveniently ignoring those of their own.


    Yes...totally agreed!
    There are many incidents similar to what you have said above are happening right now in almost every nation.
    While some countries which are going evil on one side & blaming others who do evil...is foolishness!
    In those cases, I blame both nations equally & don't take sides.


    Yes, because the US acts precisely like North Korea. Like seriously? How many people do you think attempt to escape the US to tell tales on video like they do from North Korea? This moral equivalency is repulsive.
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    Apr 06, 2013 4:17 AM GMT
    what a superstar. love her.
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    Apr 06, 2013 4:35 AM GMT
    With regard to economic imperialism, and the invasion and destabilisation of sovereign nations the US establishment leaves the DPRK standing. The US establishment has even used Islamic extremists to further its international capitalist ambitions.

    Atrocity is neither unique to particular political ideologies or nations, nor exclusive of others.



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    Apr 06, 2013 5:04 AM GMT
    Wow, amazing speech. Sometimes, it's upon hearing the lives of others that make you feel thankful and blessed for the conditions that we live in.
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    Apr 06, 2013 5:11 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Harry7785 said
    Fortis said
    Harry7785 said

    There are vested interests projecting an image of North Korea which might be far worse than the reality. The truth is that we do not know, it could be better than or worse than we know.

    We know that here are gulags where generations of whole families of people regarded as subversives are kept prisoner, and that there is probably human experimentation, but these sorts of atrocities are not unique to particular political ideologies.

    In free capitalist England, servicemen have were used as "guinea pigs" as late as the 1950s at Porton Down. It is said that human experiments no longer take place there, and that animals are used instead, but can we be sure?

    The US has a gulag called Guantanamo Bay, and South Korea has executed political dissidents sympathetic to the North. In 1942 110,000 Japanese-Americans were put into internment camps where some died due of lack of medical treatment and most lost property and livelihoods, because of racial hysteria.

    Many anti-war activists and political dissidents were locked up during WWII in Britain.

    People often attribute atrocity solely to the political ideologies to which they are opposed, whilst conveniently ignoring those of their own.


    Yes...totally agreed!
    There are many incidents similar to what you have said above are happening right now in almost every nation.
    While some countries which are going evil on one side & blaming others who do evil...is foolishness!
    In those cases, I blame both nations equally & don't take sides.


    Yes, because the US acts precisely like North Korea. Like seriously? How many people do you think attempt to escape the US to tell tales on video like they do from North Korea? This moral equivalency is repulsive.
    You can't compare the atrocity of the North Korea to that of a democratic nation---you simply can not. While it is true that those nations do have secret services, secret location for committing crimes against humanity, the magnitude of such atrocity can not be compare with a nation that pride itself on lack of respect for anyone but the elite; lack of respect for any life.

    I am always very surprised when people talk of North Korea like they are talking about China or any other communist country---which is a completely gross underestimation of the situation.
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    Apr 06, 2013 5:33 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Harry7785 said
    Fortis said
    Harry7785 said
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    Yes, because the US acts precisely like North Korea. Like seriously? How many people do you think attempt to escape the US to tell tales on video like they do from North Korea? This moral equivalency is repulsive.

    OMG! when did I say that?
    I didn't compared US with N.Korea!
    Maybe it's repulsive, because you didn't understand...

    If you insist, I can give you some examples that are happening right now! where people of developed nations (not all, but some) are destroying other nations, depriving of their wealth and health for the sake of their economy and prosperity!
    Not only US but many developed nations...

    Note: this is different than What Kim does to his country.
    but still an evil is an evil.

    I mention it because, these developed nations(government people) always say that they support for the grater good, help the poor, or whatever...etc, etc.
    But very few knows that they are the very reason why the poor nations are poor in first place.

    Sorry, I could have explained more clearly, but I had a bad sleep last night...
    If you still didn't understand, you can mail me or post here...I'll get back to you later.
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    Apr 06, 2013 6:05 AM GMT
    North Korea is the Left's wet dream . . . total control, coercion, and collectivism . . . meninlove should emigrate . . .