Will an affirmative Gay Marriage ruling stop Headless Photos?

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    Apr 05, 2013 9:31 PM GMT
    If the Supreme Court somehow made it legal for anyone gay in the U.S., in any state, to get married, will guys be less apt to hide themselves?

    Discuss.

    Saw this on someone's profile and had to share here.

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    Apr 05, 2013 9:32 PM GMT

    Yep.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Apr 05, 2013 9:36 PM GMT
    maybe in 50 years
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    Apr 05, 2013 9:59 PM GMT
    Just yesterday I was wondering similarly, not about headless profiles but just self-acceptance levels generally in light of gaining long overdue human rights and societal dignities. I sure hope it helps people love themselves. So many take their self image from outside themselves, this pervading double consciousness that probably effects everyone to some degree.

    But this fight ain't over. Not even if we win. Not by a long shot.

    Concurrent to your thread is this one in the News forum

    First Integrated Prom Planned In Georgia (USA)

    Integration issues 49 years beyond the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and 44 years since the Supremes ruled on Unitary Status for desegregating school districts.

    And as noted by others in other threads, black people didn't start off with their own religions and families against them as is the case with us. So expect headless profiles for a long time to come.
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    Apr 05, 2013 10:01 PM GMT
    Not as long as parents continue to repress their children into pretending to be straight due to "religious" concerns.
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    Apr 05, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
    that video was kinda odd... like i was a time traveling peeping tom.
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    Apr 05, 2013 10:30 PM GMT
    jonnyboy saidthat video was kinda odd... like i was a time traveling peeping tom.


    It's from the viewpoint of his lover. Took me a second watch to get it.
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    Apr 05, 2013 11:30 PM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    jonnyboy saidthat video was kinda odd... like i was a time traveling peeping tom.


    It's from the viewpoint of his lover. Took me a second watch to get it.


    oh i got it. it was just odd to watch.. like a trailer, but showing the whole movie..... i was kinda waiting for the boogie man to jump out, or the 'downturn'... but it never came...
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    Apr 05, 2013 11:40 PM GMT
    Maybe
    May be a direct correlation to a spike in divorce rate, as well.
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    Apr 05, 2013 11:47 PM GMT
    Sadly, no, because not even the supreme court can remove a stigma. It will take changing the hearts and minds of straight people to do that, and although great strides have been made in that direction, there's still a long way to go.
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    Apr 06, 2013 12:02 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidSadly, no, because not even the supreme court can remove a stigma. It will take changing the hearts and minds of straight people to do that, and although great strides have been made in that direction, there's still a long way to go.
    If it weren't for straight people who've already had a change of mind and heart, gays wouldn't be as accepted as they currently are.
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    Apr 06, 2013 12:34 AM GMT
    Nope, definitely not right away. GLBT inclusive ENDA would be another big step we have to make, before many more people will post their face pix.
  • reges198

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    Apr 06, 2013 1:44 AM GMT
    Well I've held out for long enough, but cannot anymore. I am picking up a growing resentment about headless photos (of varying varieties), coupled with insinuation that one must be ashamed of who one is.

    There are many reasons why someone would not be out in their full glory on a site such as this. For example, one could be a teacher and not want to risk students delving into one's private life. And for many in D.C., we are linked to our principles or the institution(s) for whom we work. For me, working on the Hill, that means that whether I like it or not the fact that I might show my pecs, abs, or di*$ on a public site is directly imputed to the person (or institution) for whom I work. Plus, I have been on camera with the person I work for (who is fairly senior), which means that whatever I do is associated with that person.

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I have dating (and other) profiles on different sites. And I am out at work. There is no sense of shame or fear in my RJ profile. On sites like this, however, which is a mixture of good, clean fun -- and not so clean fun -- I would be jeopardizing not only my career but those of others. And that's unfair. You might argue that that is cowardly, but it's the name of the game in this town. You put up with it or don't.

    I like to think that I'm a pleasant and interesting guy, and am more than happy to chat, and connect in person. But if you believe that I am not proud of who I am, or in fear for my very existence, then so be it. You should move on to interacting with the next fella.
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    Apr 06, 2013 4:21 AM GMT
    no.

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    Apr 06, 2013 4:28 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidSadly, no, because not even the supreme court can remove a stigma. It will take changing the hearts and minds of straight people to do that, and although great strides have been made in that direction, there's still a long way to go.


    This is exactly correct. The Civil Rights Act did not eliminate bigotry against minorities. The reason people do not come out is because many in society still do not consider homosexuality as acceptable or tolerable.

    At least it looks like we are moving in the right direction.
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    Apr 06, 2013 4:29 AM GMT
    Certainly not.
    Guys aren't hiding their heads in pictures because they cant get married, they're doing it so that the people they know won't figure out they're gay.
    There are plenty of guys in states that already allow gay marriage, that still hide their faces in pictures.
    Although, passing marriage equality will indirectly effect it over time. After it has become legal in all states, people will begin to accept the idea of gay friends and family, which will be followed with more out men, which will then finally result in guys with face pictures on sites like this.
  • killercliche

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    Apr 06, 2013 5:19 AM GMT
    I think there is a lot more reasons for the headless photo than gay marriage not being federally legalized.

    As it pertains to this site, I might offer you guys to check out the forums at bodybuilding.com, the "straight brother" site to this one. You will see more headless photos than not.
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    Apr 06, 2013 6:58 AM GMT
    Nope. There might be a decrease in them do to a ruling like that giving some more courage to be wholly themselves in the light of day, but gay marriage being made legal will not automatically delete homophobia, gay bashing, or the like. But it will be a major step in the right direction.
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    Apr 06, 2013 7:17 AM GMT
    It's not necesarily about "hiding." Some people would rather not post any head pics on any forum, gay or straight.
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    Apr 06, 2013 7:21 AM GMT
    No. I have a headless photo. Sometimes you just don't want to show your face, not out of shame...for me it's a 'just cause' thing.
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    Apr 06, 2013 7:46 AM GMT
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    Blakes7 saidSadly, no, because not even the supreme court can remove a stigma. It will take changing the hearts and minds of straight people to do that, and although great strides have been made in that direction, there's still a long way to go.


    This is exactly correct. The Civil Rights Act did not eliminate bigotry against minorities. The reason people do not come out is because many in society still do not consider homosexuality as acceptable or tolerable.

    At least it looks like we are moving in the right direction.


    Not exactly correct. Sometimes, the court has to drag people kicking and screaming into acceptance for them to see that the world doesn't actually end. This happened during the Civil Rights movement (integration of the armed forces and schools by force did change hearts and minds). Support for same-sex marriage in Iowa increased considerably after the court declared that it was legal. There was backlash, but from a smaller and smaller group.

    So yes, I think it would change the number of headless pictures, just by broadening societal acceptance in general. I also think people are kidding themselves if they think that people hide their faces on straight dating sites as much as they hide them here.

    Further, it's a self-reinforcing issue. If someone looked over my shoulder and saw a bunch of headless torsos, they would probably judge me more than if they saw a bunch of faces, regardless of whether the people were male or female.

    Just by the by, living in fear is not sexy, especially since it's irrational 90 percent of the time.
  • killercliche

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    Apr 06, 2013 8:01 AM GMT
    CFL_Oakland said
    FLgator said
    Blakes7 said I also think people are kidding themselves if they think that people hide their faces on straight dating sites as much as they hide them here.
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    Is this a dating site? I thought it was a fitness site.
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    Apr 06, 2013 8:06 AM GMT
    Eh, it seems like more of a hangout than anything. But given the prominence of the photo profiles, I think it's more analogous to straight dating sites than any other place where people actually talk about fitness.
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    Apr 06, 2013 8:21 AM GMT
    This observation might be lacking any depth, but my guess is that some guys do not show their face because they have very desirable bodies but their faces just aren't that much to look at.
  • killercliche

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    Apr 06, 2013 8:31 AM GMT
    Smegmatron saidThis observation might be lacking any depth, but my guess is that some guys do not show their face because they have very desirable bodies but their faces just aren't that much to look at.


    yes!