The artist formerly known as Snoop Dogg....

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    Apr 07, 2013 4:53 AM GMT
    says he doesn't think Rap music will fully accept homosexuality.

    From the article: {The newly-christened Snoop Lion, who previously spoke out in support of same-sex marriage in an interview with HuffPost Entertainment, tells the publication that the "masculine" aspects of hip-hop music create unique challenges for gay musicians.

    "It's like a football team," he said. "You can't be in a locker room full of motherf**king tough a** dudes, then all of a sudden say, 'Hey, man, I like you.' You know, that's going to be tough."

    Of Frank Ocean, the Grammy-winning hip-hop artist who came out in a blog last year, the rapper noted, "He's a singer. It's acceptable in the singing world, but in the rap world I don't know if it will ever be acceptable because rap is so masculine." Still, Snoop's personal take on the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community is far more open-minded: "I don't have a problem with gay people. I got some gay homies."}



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/06/snoop-lion-homosexuality-rap-music-_n_3028955.html?utm_hp_ref=gay-voices

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    Apr 07, 2013 8:12 PM GMT
    His new track with Miley Cyrus is surprisingly good. I mean he can't sing for shit but it's a hot track nonetheless (although I did love his Sexual Seduction vocals).

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    Apr 07, 2013 8:14 PM GMT
    Is this for real?
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    Apr 07, 2013 8:31 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidSnoop Lion? icon_eek.gif What, did whoever holds the copyright for Peanuts cartoons finally sue him for his name? icon_lol.gif


    ..He's got a team of lawyers around him 10 miles wide..if that happens i'd love to see how he gets out of it.. which he probably will...

    Besides that.. I LOVE the re-vamp..new chapter..!!
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    Apr 07, 2013 8:33 PM GMT
    Snoop Lion???? icon_eek.gif
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    Too much weed Snoop...........too much weed......
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    Apr 07, 2013 8:36 PM GMT
    This just in... The artist formerly known as Puff Daddy, then known as P. Diddy, has decided to start a new chapter, too. He shall be called Poo Doody.

    He's the Shit!!!

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    Apr 07, 2013 8:37 PM GMT
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    Apr 07, 2013 8:37 PM GMT
    You mean the artist that, going forward will be known as, "next stop, celebrity rehab.?"
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    Apr 07, 2013 8:38 PM GMT
    And then after that, hey moron, I told you I wanted EXTRA lime in my drink!!!
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    Apr 07, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
    Snoop may be right on the outcome, but not on the reasons. He needs to learn the difference between "masculinity" and "bigotry." To wit, if the rap community never embraces gays it won't be because they're hypermasculine...
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    Apr 07, 2013 8:46 PM GMT
    snoop should just retire. he needs to get back to working with dr. dre and ONLY dr. dre.
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    Apr 07, 2013 8:56 PM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidsays he doesn't think Rap music will fully accept homosexuality.
    I guess this means he'll never come out of the closet.
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    Apr 07, 2013 10:21 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    ErikTaurean saidsays he doesn't think Rap music will fully accept homosexuality.
    I guess this means he'll never come out of the closet.


    doubt that snoop is gay. would be big news if he was.
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    Apr 07, 2013 11:06 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidSnoop may be right on the outcome, but not on the reasons. He needs to learn the difference between "masculinity" and "bigotry." To wit, if the rap community never embraces gays it won't be because they're hypermasculine...


    That's not exactly true. Female rappers kinda face the same obstacle. They're still few and far in between because of the "masculine aspects" he's discussed. Female acts really only saw a boom in popularity in the mid 90's when they started selling sex because a hetero male-dominated genre will obviously pay attention to that. Gay rappers don't really have that "advantage". Also, a lot of gay rap is just crappy.

    Hip-Hop is already reaching out to the gay community. Jay-Z, Kanye West, Doug E. Fresh, Wale, Mr. Cheeks and Run DMC have all either made public statements voicing support or have performed at a gay pride. Most of the female rappers have also performed at some city's gay pride. Big names can influence their audiences on the issue of equality, but that doesn't mean straight men are gonna be in a rush to listen to gay rappers rap about gay sex and watch half-naked muscle guys dancing in videos. There's still a legit conflict of interest on some things. Acceptance is coming, but gay rappers will probably still only be popular in gay scenes, if that.





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    Apr 07, 2013 11:24 PM GMT
    Snoop Lion should stick to rap. I hate Jafaicans
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    Apr 07, 2013 11:25 PM GMT
    great_scott said
    TroyAthlete saidSnoop may be right on the outcome, but not on the reasons. He needs to learn the difference between "masculinity" and "bigotry." To wit, if the rap community never embraces gays it won't be because they're hypermasculine...


    That's not exactly true. Female rappers kinda face the same obstacle. They're still few and far in between because of the "masculine aspects" he's discussed.


    No, masculinity is not is the obstacle to female acceptance, it's sexism and misogyny. Misogyny and masculinity are not the same thing, and neither are homophobia and masculinity.

    The rappers refuse to accept gays in their midst it will be because they are homophobic, not because they're masculine. Plenty of masculine men are accepting of gays. What separates them from masculine men who don't is that one group is homophobic and the other is not.

    The first openly gay rappers will be as hypermasculine any of the others. The flak they will face will not be about masculinity or the lack thereof, it will be due to hatred of gays in hip-hop plain and simple. Masculinity is not an excuse for their bigotry.
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    Apr 07, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
    Rap is Crap
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    Apr 07, 2013 11:51 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidRap is Crap


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    Apr 07, 2013 11:57 PM GMT
    scaredmidget said
    paulflexes said
    ErikTaurean saidsays he doesn't think Rap music will fully accept homosexuality.
    I guess this means he'll never come out of the closet.


    doubt that snoop is gay. would be big news if he was.
    Technically, bi isn't gay. icon_wink.gif
  • great_scott

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    Apr 08, 2013 12:46 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    great_scott said
    TroyAthlete saidSnoop may be right on the outcome, but not on the reasons. He needs to learn the difference between "masculinity" and "bigotry." To wit, if the rap community never embraces gays it won't be because they're hypermasculine...


    That's not exactly true. Female rappers kinda face the same obstacle. They're still few and far in between because of the "masculine aspects" he's discussed.


    No, masculinity is not is the obstacle to female acceptance, it's sexism and misogyny. Misogyny and masculinity are not the same thing, and neither are homophobia and masculinity.

    The rappers refuse to accept gays in their midst it will be because they are homophobic, not because they're masculine. Plenty of masculine men are accepting of gays. What separates them from masculine men who don't is that one group is homophobic and the other is not.

    The first openly gay rappers will be as hypermasculine any of the others. The flak they will face will not be about masculinity or the lack thereof, it will be due to hatred of gays in hip-hop plain and simple. Masculinity is not an excuse for their bigotry.


    Yeah, I don't need a vocab lesson. I'm just saying there are some legit divides for both female and gay rappers when it comes to content, marketing and who the general audience is and what that audience can relate to. I'm not saying the genre never gets offensive, but I also wouldn't generalize and put all artists in the same boat either. I already mentioned several that are trying to help, and those were just off the top. As with anything, if you choose to go looking for negativity, that's all you'll see.

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    Apr 08, 2013 12:51 AM GMT
    I think he has a valid point. The rap industry has become a hyper-masculine industry, even where women put on a masculine persona. People still perpetuate the stereotype that gay equates to feminine, and in doing so, find that unacceptable.
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    Apr 08, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    great_scott saidBig names can influence their audiences on the issue of equality, but that doesn't mean straight men are gonna be in a rush to listen to gay rappers rap about gay sex and watch half-naked muscle guys dancing in videos.


    To an extent, that reminds me of the flack Sisqo' got for "Thong song" and its video.
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    Apr 08, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    may11 said
    wrestlervic saidRap is Crap


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    you're both stupid.



    I think Snoop is probably speaking the truth. Not out of hate but, just keeping it simple.
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    Apr 08, 2013 3:32 AM GMT
    fable said
    may11 said
    wrestlervic saidRap is Crap


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    you're both stupid.



    I think Snoop is probably speaking the truth. Not out of hate but, just keeping it simple.



    Not saying he's wrong. More likely he's right.
    I'm just saying rap is some dumb shit people like your dumb fuck ass like to listen to. That is all....
  • TroyAthlete

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    Apr 08, 2013 5:57 AM GMT
    great_scott said

    Yeah, I don't need a vocab lesson. I'm just saying there are some legit divides for both female and gay rappers when it comes to content, marketing and who the general audience is and what that audience can relate to. I'm not saying the genre never gets offensive, but I also wouldn't generalize and put all artists in the same boat either. I already mentioned several that are trying to help, and those were just off the top. As with anything, if you choose to go looking for negativity, that's all you'll see.



    It has nothing to do with negativity to me. You disagreed with my very matter-of-fact assertion that Snoop was off, and that rap's real problem with gays is due to homophobia, not masculinity. And I disagreed with your disagreement. *shrug*

    I didn't say every single rap artist was offensive, neither did I say that there isn't a divide between female and male rap artists. In the context of this thread, I said that if the rap community (in general) has a problem with gays and women, it will speak to their homophobia and sexism and not their masculinity. I don't see why this statement should be the least bit controversial.