Best and Worst Educated States

  • GQjock

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    Apr 07, 2013 11:07 PM GMT
    Based on the percentage of college educated citizens over 25

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    Notice anything? Cue banjo icon_cool.gif
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    Apr 08, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
    Except for NOVA, Virginia is pretty much a "cue banjo" state as well, despite its going for Obama.
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    Apr 08, 2013 12:35 AM GMT
    Massachusetts should run the country.

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    Apr 08, 2013 12:45 AM GMT
    No wonder Republicans mostly control the uneducated States - voters are too stupid to realize when they're being conned. And no wonder why Republicans underfund education, and force a fundamentalist & creationist curriculum to be taught where they can - so voters will remain stupid.
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    Apr 08, 2013 12:55 AM GMT
    Unintended said
    TigerTim saidMassachusetts should run the country.



    No, Vermont. With Bernie Sanders as Speaker of the House...


    Sorry, mass is at the top of the list.

    Much as I love VT
  • LJay

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    Apr 08, 2013 3:39 AM GMT
    libertpaulian saidExcept for NOVA, Virginia is pretty much a "cue banjo" state as well, despite its going for Obama.


    This is the shit of the bull!

    There is a great deal more to Virginia than NOVA, despite it being the home of the DIN.

    We have Richmond, Charlottesville, Staunton, Williamsburg, Roanoke, Virginia Beach, Croaker and Norge.
  • He_Man

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    Apr 08, 2013 5:23 AM GMT

    Where is Florida on that list. I'm surprised that we didn't make the number one spot. Well, then again, we do have all of the snow birds from Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Vermont, New Jersey and New York coming down here during the winter months.

    If it weren't for those snow birds having homes down here, we would definitely be number one. Have you seen what comes out of Florida - Bath Salt Zombies, the Gore/Bush hanging chads fuck up, Casey Anthony, Anti Evolution and Anti Education reforms and the home of the NASCAR-loving rednecks, etc.
  • FRE0

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    Apr 08, 2013 5:33 AM GMT
    They should have other lists ranking states according to what percentage of adults have been graduated from high school. Probably New Mexico would be near the bottom.
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    Apr 08, 2013 6:28 AM GMT
    Statistical numbers should be in neutral color instead of being painted with red or blue. I understand this graph is meant to be a tongue in cheek, witty way of expressing political preference, but it can be misleading and biased. Suppose the majority of the educated residents in those democratic states identified themselves republican in the same survey, would you still interpret the graph the same way?icon_biggrin.gif Of course, a better way is to break down the numbers in each state into four groups: Dem Ed, Dem unEd, Rep Ed and Rep unEd.
  • offshore

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    Apr 08, 2013 8:41 AM GMT
    Where is California? With all the clever IT and Aerospace engineers?

    Maybe the stoners dragged the scrore down. But I'm a stoned engineer, so how does that count.
  • GQjock

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    Apr 08, 2013 11:15 AM GMT
    zukunft saidStatistical numbers should be in neutral color instead of being painted with red or blue. I understand this graph is meant to be a tongue in cheek, witty way of expressing political preference, but it can be misleading and biased. Suppose the majority of the educated residents in those democratic states identified themselves republican in the same survey, would you still interpret the graph the same way?icon_biggrin.gif Of course, a better way is to break down the numbers in each state into four groups: Dem Ed, Dem unEd, Rep Ed and Rep unEd.


    Given any stat can be skewed
    But there is also the very verifiable fact that during ANY National election
    even in the reddest of the red states
    there will always be a dot of blue where there are College towns
    Hence the reason the North Carolina Legislature has taken away the ability for parents to claim their college kids .... there very likely are PAYING for if their children register to vote at the college they attend

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    Apr 08, 2013 11:59 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidMassachusetts should run the country.




    Hahah now that was funny!
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    Apr 08, 2013 12:00 PM GMT
    zukunft saidStatistical numbers should be in neutral color instead of being painted with red or blue. I understand this graph is meant to be a tongue in cheek, witty way of expressing political preference, but it can be misleading and biased. Suppose the majority of the educated residents in those democratic states identified themselves republican in the same survey, would you still interpret the graph the same way?icon_biggrin.gif Of course, a better way is to break down the numbers in each state into four groups: Dem Ed, Dem unEd, Rep Ed and Rep unEd.


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    Apr 08, 2013 3:08 PM GMT
    GQjock said
    zukunft saidStatistical numbers should be in neutral color instead of being painted with red or blue. I understand this graph is meant to be a tongue in cheek, witty way of expressing political preference, but it can be misleading and biased. Suppose the majority of the educated residents in those democratic states identified themselves republican in the same survey, would you still interpret the graph the same way?icon_biggrin.gif Of course, a better way is to break down the numbers in each state into four groups: Dem Ed, Dem unEd, Rep Ed and Rep unEd.


    Given any stat can be skewed
    But there is also the very verifiable fact that during ANY National election
    even in the reddest of the red states
    there will always be a dot of blue where there are College towns
    Hence the reason the North Carolina Legislature has taken away the ability for parents to claim their college kids .... there very likely are PAYING for if their children register to vote at the college they attend



    You seem to be assuming that education is indicative of intelligence. Having lived in a college town for the past few years (in an extremely red state), I can assure you it is not. Every year, hundreds of degrees are given to graduates who are educated, but are clearly lacking in actual intelligence as well as common sense.

    One common slogan I have observed amongst all liberal arts, i.e. not math and science related, degree seekers is "D's get diplomas." In my degree program, a D means you retake the class.
  • MikeVmax

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    Apr 08, 2013 3:28 PM GMT
    Hawk_Guy13 said
    GQjock said
    zukunft saidStatistical numbers should be in neutral color instead of being painted with red or blue. I understand this graph is meant to be a tongue in cheek, witty way of expressing political preference, but it can be misleading and biased. Suppose the majority of the educated residents in those democratic states identified themselves republican in the same survey, would you still interpret the graph the same way?icon_biggrin.gif Of course, a better way is to break down the numbers in each state into four groups: Dem Ed, Dem unEd, Rep Ed and Rep unEd.


    Given any stat can be skewed
    But there is also the very verifiable fact that during ANY National election
    even in the reddest of the red states
    there will always be a dot of blue where there are College towns
    Hence the reason the North Carolina Legislature has taken away the ability for parents to claim their college kids .... there very likely are PAYING for if their children register to vote at the college they attend



    You seem to be assuming that education is indicative of intelligence. Having lived in a college town for the past few years (in an extremely red state), I can assure you it is not. Every year, hundreds of degrees are given to graduates who are educated, but are clearly lacking in actual intelligence as well as common sense.

    One common slogan I have observed amongst all liberal arts, i.e. not math and science related, degree seekers is "D's get diplomas." In my degree program, a D means you retake the class.


    We always said "D is for done.". for the two free electives that it actually worked for. The rest required Cs.

    I'm chuckling at the Mass. running the country. I'm busy enjoying my low cost of living and 0% state income tax rate.
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    Apr 08, 2013 3:42 PM GMT
    Yes the Republicans are terrified of the educated vote. Just ask the republicans controlling the general assembly in NC for the first time since reconstruction. And now they have a republican governor for the first time since 1985. So what is their game plan? Keep college kids from voting, become the second most gerrymandered state after PA, pass voter ID laws, shorten early vote, abolish straight party voting(since democrats use it more than republicans) and decrease the polling stations in urban areas. In other words make it about as difficult as possible for the urban and educated to vote:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/vp/51436386#51436386

    Sorry I couldn't embed this as an image but it pretty much says it all.
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    Apr 08, 2013 4:06 PM GMT
    GQjock said
    But there is also the very verifiable fact that during ANY National election
    even in the reddest of the red states
    there will always be a dot of blue where there are College towns
    Hence the reason the North Carolina Legislature has taken away the ability for parents to claim their college kids .... there very likely are PAYING for if their children register to vote at the college they attend

    Can't claim their kids how? As dependents on NC state income tax forms?

    I presume the legal reason being that if the college student claims a different address for voting purposes they can't be living at home, which NC makes a requirement for tax dependent status?

    But many college students don't live at home with their parents during school, the dependency on parents is one of age & support, not locale. And the Federal IRS allows claiming dependent college students on federal income taxes.

    So what is the goal here? To force students to vote by absentee, which presumably fewer would bother doing than voting in person at campus? And to reduce the Democratic vote in college towns, dispersing it around the State, allowing even fewer places in NC to remain Blue?

    Wouldn't this NC law also act as a form of tax increase, by denying parents a deduction they've previously enjoyed? I thought Republicans never raise taxes, and here they would doing it for the political motive of influencing elections in their favor.
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    Apr 08, 2013 4:13 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidExcept for NOVA, Virginia is pretty much a "cue banjo" state as well, despite its going for Obama.


    And without NoVa, OBAMA would not have taken the state. The fact that Va. is one of only two southern state to vote for Obama says it all. The next most educated southern state, NC, voted in '08 for Obama and was a swing state in '12. Florida does not fit in this club (ranked 36th compared to NC at 22) but it has other demographics in its favor that also scare republicans.

    http://www.statemaster.com/graph/edu_bes_edu_ind-education-best-educated-index
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    Apr 08, 2013 11:50 PM GMT
    The right has an uncanny ability to instill fears and to explain how inequalities are causing people to have such harsh lives, while actually causing such fears and deepening inequalities.

    Notice, I'm refraining from using Democrat and Republican. There are those in the Democratic party that are more for self gain, than actually being a public servant.

    Also, I'm not talking about fiscal conservatives who are socially liberal, but social conservatives who are are also fiscally conservative.

    When you give a false gospel of hope, people respond very well to it. When you state that your problems are caused by the big ol' bad guys and that you (Mr. Conservative Politician) will fight them and win, people respond to that. The less education you have, the more you take things on faith.

    The left typically is more policy oriented. Meaning, a larger reliance on facts and figures. So, there is less emotional appeal to be had. We can't identify and rally around a spreadsheet. However those with more means, typically college educated individuals, do not need a "hero" or a political equivalent of Jesus. They are more concerned with actual policy. In fact, that would turn off many voters.

    It's really a matter with exploiting existing inequalities to get elected.
  • GQjock

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    Apr 09, 2013 1:30 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    GQjock said
    But there is also the very verifiable fact that during ANY National election
    even in the reddest of the red states
    there will always be a dot of blue where there are College towns
    Hence the reason the North Carolina Legislature has taken away the ability for parents to claim their college kids .... there very likely are PAYING for if their children register to vote at the college they attend

    Can't claim their kids how? As dependents on NC state income tax forms?

    I presume the legal reason being that if the college student claims a different address for voting purposes they can't be living at home, which NC makes a requirement for tax dependent status?

    But many college students don't live at home with their parents during school, the dependency on parents is one of age & support, not locale. And the Federal IRS allows claiming dependent college students on federal income taxes.

    So what is the goal here? To force students to vote by absentee, which presumably fewer would bother doing than voting in person at campus? And to reduce the Democratic vote in college towns, dispersing it around the State, allowing even fewer places in NC to remain Blue?

    Wouldn't this NC law also act as a form of tax increase, by denying parents a deduction they've previously enjoyed? I thought Republicans never raise taxes, and here they would doing it for the political motive of influencing elections in their favor.


    No Art this is a vote restricting ploy the republican legislature has adopted to put a cork in the blue voting that occurs on college campuses
    Just like the voter registration ploy
    It's to stop people who vote democratic
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    Apr 13, 2013 2:42 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidExcept for NOVA, Virginia is pretty much a "cue banjo" state as well, despite its going for Obama.


    Thanks for the expert commentary. I'll assume that Roseanne tells me everything I need to know about Indiana.
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    Apr 13, 2013 2:49 PM GMT
    Haha bitches, Texas isn't on either list icon_cool.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 13, 2013 3:03 PM GMT
    msuNtx saidHaha bitches, Texas isn't on either list icon_cool.gif
    Yeah but it probably ranks either 11th or 12th in terms of least educated. I wouldn't be surprised. I am sure Florida is among the worst as well but not nearly as bad as the ten least educated states.
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    Apr 13, 2013 3:17 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidExcept for NOVA, Virginia is pretty much a "cue banjo" state as well, despite its going for Obama.

    Just off the top of my head, these are the colleges and universities I can drive to in an hour or less: Lynchburg College, Liberty University, Randolph College, Sweet Briar, Radford, Virginia Tech, Salem, Roanoke College...I'm sure I've left out a couple and didn't even mention the numerous community/junior colleges. And this is central VA, not NOVA or Tidewater. We play Bach on our banjos here sir.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 13, 2013 3:38 PM GMT
    Coach_Mike said
    libertpaulian saidExcept for NOVA, Virginia is pretty much a "cue banjo" state as well, despite its going for Obama.

    Just off the top of my head, these are the colleges and universities I can drive to in an hour or less: Lynchburg College, Liberty University, Randolph College, Sweet Briar, Radford, Virginia Tech, Salem, Roanoke College...I'm sure I've left out a couple and didn't even mention the numerous community/junior colleges. And this is central VA, not NOVA or Tidewater. We play Bach on our banjos here sir.
    Not all of Virginia outside of NOVA is "cue banjo". Richmond is a major city that has to be similar to NOVA in educational levels. Plus it is the state capitol and home to a few fortune 500 companies and is also home to a federal reserve bank. No "cue banjo" in the Richmond Metro Area.