So Joe the Plumber is NOT a plumber or named Joe

  • focus

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    Oct 17, 2008 4:16 AM GMT
    Is it a problem for the McCain campaign that Joe the Plumber, invoked as a poor $250,000 soon to be business owner, is NOT really a plumber or named Joe? He wouldn't pay more taxes under Obama's plan is his current real world situation. He would get a tax cut, with Obama's plan. Read all about it - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics/17joe.html?hp

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    Oct 17, 2008 4:22 AM GMT
    The most intriguing thing about this whole Joe plumber thing is that they are trying to portray him as an average, middle-class Joe. How the hell is he average and middle class when he can afford to buy business that makes $250k a year?
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    Oct 17, 2008 4:35 AM GMT
    Well, in reality he doesn't make that much. It was all a fake stunt to press Obama. But the fact that McCain and his campaign didn't vet him before centering their debate argument around "Joe the Plumber" shows the impulsive nature of their camp.
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    Oct 17, 2008 4:50 AM GMT
    But that is the whole point. Portraying the average American as destitute with no health care and kids that go without proper winter coats is liberal political bullshit that buys sympathy. As is the lament that old people are poor. The last two censuses show that they are the richest demographic segment but never mind the facts when you want the other party to look hard hearted.
  • focus

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    Oct 17, 2008 4:55 AM GMT
    So do you think there is not a health care crisis in the US today?
  • swimbikerun

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    Oct 17, 2008 5:01 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidBut that is the whole point. Portraying the average American as destitute with no health care and kids that go without proper winter coats is liberal political bullshit that buys sympathy. As is the lament that old people are poor. The last two censuses show that they are the richest demographic segment but never mind the facts when you want the other party to look hard hearted.

    Old people are not poor due in large part to Social Security. That was the goal of establishing it.
    Medical health care costs are the number one, the number one reason for personal bankruptcy.
    I've had a broken arm this year, the total uninsured cost to me would have been over $100,000. Fortunately I have health care, 16 million of my fellow citizens are not so lucky.
    Why shouldn't every American have the same access to and the same level of healthcare that every person in Congress has?
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    Oct 17, 2008 5:04 AM GMT
    i think not vetting joe, together with the barely disguised fury mccain displayed, together with the suspension of his campaign to vote for a bailout, together with his various other knee-jerk reactions all point to the fact that he would be a very brash, reactionary, stubborn, irascible, and impatient leader.
  • EricLA

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    Oct 17, 2008 5:21 AM GMT
    Plus Joe the Plumber is a bit behind in paying his taxes.

    I can see McCain's staff did as well checking his past as Palin's. At least his campaign is consistent!
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    Oct 17, 2008 5:24 AM GMT
    Do plumbers in the USA really make a quarter million dollars a year? That's a lot of sh!t your pumping out there. Is he turning it into biodiesel?
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    Oct 17, 2008 5:30 AM GMT
    swimbikerun said
    Alpha13 saidBut that is the whole point. Portraying the average American as destitute with no health care and kids that go without proper winter coats is liberal political bullshit that buys sympathy. As is the lament that old people are poor. The last two censuses show that they are the richest demographic segment but never mind the facts when you want the other party to look hard hearted.

    Old people are not poor due in large part to Social Security. That was the goal of establishing it.
    Medical health care costs are the number one, the number one reason for personal bankruptcy.
    I've had a broken arm this year, the total uninsured cost to me would have been over $100,000. Fortunately I have health care, 16 million of my fellow citizens are not so lucky.
    Why shouldn't every American have the same access to and the same level of healthcare that every person in Congress has?


    So I was in class this weekend when my professor dropped some info that I am not certain about. Apparently (she couldn't give the sources) those who pay into social security get it back, but the upper income brackets (she said over $150,000 annually) don't pay their percentage into social security unlike all those under that income. Any accountants out there that can point me in the right direction? Thanks.

    If this is the case, would "Joe the Plumber" even pay into social security like the rest of us lower wage earners?
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    Oct 17, 2008 8:13 AM GMT
    EricLA saidPlus Joe the Plumber is a bit behind in paying his taxes.




    hahah yeah i heard that too, but he can write a book and make millions!

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  • GQjock

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    Oct 17, 2008 10:20 AM GMT
    Joe the Plumber ....

    Not a licensed plumber

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    isn't making enough money ($40k) to be taxed under Obama's plan

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    in fact he'd be getting money back

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    Joe the Plumber's Dad is a big-time Republican donor

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    Joe the Plumber hasn't even paid the taxes he owes now

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    Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who's Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating's son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

    F**king Philodendron Plant
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    Oct 17, 2008 10:38 AM GMT
    omg this is hysterical... joe's gonna get dragged through the mud.
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    Oct 17, 2008 11:20 AM GMT
    I suspected that "Joe the Plumber" was a Republican plant. This info coming out makes me even more suspicious.
  • DiverScience

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    Oct 17, 2008 12:18 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidBut that is the whole point. Portraying the average American as destitute with no health care and kids that go without proper winter coats is liberal political bullshit that buys sympathy. As is the lament that old people are poor. The last two censuses show that they are the richest demographic segment but never mind the facts when you want the other party to look hard hearted.


    Funny, I know a lot of average Americans who can barely keep their heads above water if they stay healthy. God forfend they try to buy a house, get sick, have a car accident, have a major car bill...
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    Oct 17, 2008 1:13 PM GMT
    A lot of people think the american dream is obtainable just by wanting it badly enough. Obviously, this guy isn't any more qualified to run a lemonade stand than the recently discovered new species saracudapalinus. The saracudapalinus was recently parodied in a sketch about the debate between the webfoooted, forktongued saracudapalinus and Hillary Clinton. Anyway Joe or Sam (his real name) probably needs to take a couple of business and pluming courses (and learn how to pay his taxes), but, then again, it's probably too late for him. His happiness as an american citizen is not a birthright, it still must be earned. Perhaps he's been waiting for a repugnican earmark. Shame though, that he's probably past the point of no return on making an investment in himself and doesn't have enough time in is his (cheap) beer addled life to recover any such cost. His career as a repugnican plant can only last as long as the campaign but he didn't even have that chance as the whole thing rapidly became so transparent. Another reason that Hero to Zero John McCain should be embarrassed for himself and his party.
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    Oct 17, 2008 1:30 PM GMT
    When I read the history of “Joe (the Plummer) Wurzelbacher I was like first of all you don't even make close to 250,000 dollars not even half that.

    You have no lic. to speak of and you owe taxes. Boy did this blow up in not only his face but also McCain's. If any thing Obama’s Tax plan would help you not hurt you because you are on the cusp.
    This is a clear indication that the Republican Party is no longer the juggernaut that it used to be.

    Talk about the script being flipped. It's like a live fish on the deck of a boat.
    My friends who are republicans whom I actually have a great deal of respect are even amazed and also impressed by Obama and the life force of his campaign.

    They won't vote for him but they are truly impressed and now cautiously optimistic.
    Given the scrutiny that he is now under I bet he wished he had kept his mouth shut.

    What a mess! Poor guy I feel for him. Having reporters camped outside your house asking you questions and now being investigated by the IRS. God I hope that's not true.
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    Oct 17, 2008 1:43 PM GMT
    Here is an article from Bloomberg regarding "Joe The Plumber". It looks like the McCain campaign rushed into this without thinking it through.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aqt518bNsSOs&refer=home
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    Oct 17, 2008 1:45 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidHere is an article from Bloomberg regarding "Joe The Plumber". It looks like the McCain campaign rushed into this without thinking it through.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aqt518bNsSOs&refer=home


    Another classic example of "Ready-Fire-Aim" thinking that has characterized the last eight years.
  • Blachboy

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    Oct 17, 2008 2:05 PM GMT
    I've been watching this election very closely i honestly think this was a last ditch effort from the McCain campaign to seem like he was in touch with the average man. The fact is it didn't work.

    How can you expect someone who has 9+ houses, and 13 different cars to relate to the average man today, he's been taking money from lobbyist and special interest groups for the past 26 years. He's voted against every bill for alternate energy, now he's preaching to us about how we need to invest in new energy like it's the gospel. Are you serious?

    And this loser Joe, I've listened to CNN and Msnbc news, and even c-span and some the things that come out of the mouths of those McCain voters are just scary. Are they so scared of the future that they would damn of all. Joe should be ashamed of himself for installing that fear in people. For not being honest, but then again Obama said this in the debate we have to restore American we've lost that luster, that made other countries admired and aspired to be like. We have lost our way, I hope he can get us back there.

  • Koaa2

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    Oct 17, 2008 2:08 PM GMT
    Just like Bush/Cheney/Rove!
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    Oct 17, 2008 2:11 PM GMT
    Just call him Mr. Clean. He looks like the dude anyway.
  • styrgan

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    Oct 17, 2008 2:15 PM GMT
    I kind of thought the argument from McCain had some merit. After all, the Republicans have been long crying that some small businesses fall into that bracket with a limited amount of truth. If a person is concerned with their tax rate, there are a variety of options beyond setting a business up as a sole propietor.

    Anyways, then I saw this...



    What a moron.

    And Diane Sawyer, and the rest of the media, ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? Is this really what I have to be subjected to at 7am when I'm getting ready for work? I don't need to hear about a water main break in Ohio, or a plumber's views on tax policy. Why don't we have someone like Warren Buffet on, who actually has half an idea about how the economy works?
  • Blachboy

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    Oct 17, 2008 2:42 PM GMT
    How is paying taxes a socialist view???? Taxes are part of America, from the very conception of this great country. Maybe he should move to some magical land that doesn't pay taxes... what an ass.

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    Oct 17, 2008 2:58 PM GMT
    Oh I think everyone should stop paying taxes, I mean after all what good do we get from them?

    The army will fight in Afghanistan for free (a true "volunteer" army), the air force pilots will be expected to buy their own jet fuel, senior citizens will be expected to do fund-raising to ensure they can feed themselves (bake sales!), etc.. icon_twisted.gif