Detroit Catholic leaders say gay marriage supporters should resist Communion

  • metta

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    Apr 09, 2013 6:15 AM GMT
    Detroit Catholic leaders say gay marriage supporters should resist Communion




    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/04/detroit-catholic-leaders-say-gay-marriage-supporters-should-resist-communion/
  • shutoman

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    Apr 09, 2013 11:42 AM GMT
    Not even good theology; dismal, bigoted twaddle. A metaphor for Detroit itself, uttered from the pulpit.
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    Apr 09, 2013 11:59 AM GMT
    Does this mean that no one in the Church can debate the topic? What exactly does "support" gay marriage mean? Do the Bishops get to debate it among themselves, and if any take a pro-gay marriage position are they denied Communion, too?

    I would interpret this to mean that discussion on the topic of gay marriage is forbidden & closed. And that ordinary Catholic laypersons are to be like children, seen but not heard, obediently listening but not speaking.

    To paraphrase Mel Brooks: "It's good to be the Archbishop!"
  • Import

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    Apr 09, 2013 12:23 PM GMT
    I'm Catholic and get communion when im forced to go to church at funerals and things like that. I dont care. Do what I want.

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    Apr 09, 2013 12:49 PM GMT
    And I say that Catholic leaders should stop lying about their sham of a religious. Alas, we are at an impasse.
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    Apr 09, 2013 1:04 PM GMT
    Hmm, interesting. Thanks for sharing this news.

    The Archbishop is probably right. There's a difference between supporting gay marriage (and debating it within the Church) and willing to vote for gay marriage (in the political sphere, regardless of the Church's position). I think the Archbishop is criticizing the latter. I don't understand the legal angle the Archbishop is taking, though.

    The professor in the article is the one who I think is mistaken. Disagreeing with a non-credal Church position shouldn't merit denial of communion, especially if that person isn't a person of prominence. He's saying basically what Art Deco is criticizing. The Archbishop didn't go that far.
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    Apr 09, 2013 1:08 PM GMT
    As a former devout, practicing Catholic who hasn't read the article I only have this to say in the way of clarification. It is Church teaching that anyone in a state of mortal sin may not receive Holy Communion. To receive HC while knowingly in a state of mortal sin is to commit sacrilege and a mortal sin in and of itself.

    I do not see how simply supporting gay marriage would necessarily place one in a state of mortal sin.
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    Apr 09, 2013 1:24 PM GMT
    The headline should read "Gay Marriage supporters should avoid the Catholic church."

    Catholicism is such an evil, hypocritical cult.
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    Apr 09, 2013 1:58 PM GMT
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    Apr 09, 2013 2:04 PM GMT
    Guess the next time I have a Catholic function i'll show up with these..

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    Apr 09, 2013 2:32 PM GMT
    And pedophiles?
  • MadeinMich

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    Apr 09, 2013 6:28 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidAs a former devout, practicing Catholic who hasn't read the article I only have this to say in the way of clarification. It is Church teaching that anyone in a state of mortal sin may not receive Holy Communion. To receive HC while knowingly in a state of mortal sin is to commit sacrilege and a mortal sin in and of itself.

    I do not see how simply supporting gay marriage would necessarily place one in a state of mortal sin.


    When I saw this on my local Michigan news I agreed with the Bishop. And I'll tell you why.

    As a former devout christian who has left the religion all behind I have to say that support for gay marriage or any homosexual act goes against the "teachings" of the church and the bible. The bible says you shall not add to the word of God or take away from it. And it staunchly opposes homosexuality in some parts. I believe within the context of christianity it would be a sin to support something that goes against the teachings of the bible. Being that I am no longer a part of the church this would really have no relevance to me anymore. But it is what it is.

    Having said that, this is why I no longer associate myself with ANY oranized religion. I have a firm grasp and understanding of what they teach and preach. And it conflicts with my need to slay asshole on a weekly basis. If you're going to believe in something, believe in all aspects of it hole heartedly. And this is why I no longer subscribe to religion.

    Now let the flames be thrown.
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    Apr 09, 2013 6:42 PM GMT
    MadeinMich said
    UndercoverMan saidAs a former devout, practicing Catholic who hasn't read the article I only have this to say in the way of clarification. It is Church teaching that anyone in a state of mortal sin may not receive Holy Communion. To receive HC while knowingly in a state of mortal sin is to commit sacrilege and a mortal sin in and of itself.

    I do not see how simply supporting gay marriage would necessarily place one in a state of mortal sin.


    When I saw this on my local Michigan news I agreed with the Bishop. And I'll tell you why.

    As a former devout christian who has left the religion all behind I have to say that support for gay marriage or any homosexual act goes against the "teachings" of the church and the bible. The bible says you shall not add to the word of God or take away from it. And it staunchly opposes homosexuality in some parts. I believe within the context of christianity it would be a sin to support something that goes against the teachings of the bible. Being that I am no longer a part of the church this would really have no relevance to me anymore. But it is what it is.

    Having said that, this is why I no longer associate myself with ANY oranized religion. I have a firm grasp and understanding of what they teach and preach. And it conflicts with my need to slay asshole on a weekly basis. If you're going to believe in something, believe in all aspects of it hole heartedly. And this is why I no longer subscribe to religion.

    Now let the flames be thrown.


    But there is a difference between Christian marriage and state sanctioned marriage. I was married in the Catholic Church there was both a religious ceremony and a civil. After the religious ceremony the civil papers were signed. These two acts do not have to take place within the confines of the religious ceremony and can be made separate. I do not see how a devout Christian is in a state of mortal sin if supporting the right of the state to marry whomever it wants while reserving to the Church its right to bestow its religious ceremony on its members in good standing.

    I see no conflict in a Catholic supporting marriage equality on the civil level and reserving the right of the Church to marry whom it chooses. This is hardly a damning sin.
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    Apr 09, 2013 7:37 PM GMT
    ...but molesting children is perfectly ok. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Apparition

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    Apr 09, 2013 7:49 PM GMT
    when i was 11 i brought my encyclopedia to church and disproved religion and didnt have to go anymore.
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    Apr 09, 2013 10:01 PM GMT
    bump to annoy SB
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    Apr 09, 2013 10:09 PM GMT
    metta8 saidDetroit Catholic leaders say gay marriage supporters should resist Communion
    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/04/detroit-catholic-leaders-say-gay-marriage-supporters-should-resist-communion/

    BTW, poor topic wording, which metta8 merely pastes from the source. It gives the impression that gay marriage supporters are being chased around by priests (which may be true for different reasons) and being forced to take Communion against their will.
  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 10, 2013 1:56 AM GMT
    Apparently the church hierarchy is trying to drive away the already dwindling number of Catholics with this relentless hate campaign against gay people.
    BTW, the majority of Catholics are IN FAVOR of marriage equality, so I guess communion participation is either going to plummet, or this will be one more issue that Catholics completely ignore their leadership on.
  • thatirishbast...

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    Apr 10, 2013 1:58 AM GMT
    "The more you tighten your grip, Archbishop, the more congregants will slip through your fingers.'
    - Princess Leia
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 10, 2013 2:19 AM GMT
    Hmmm, that "Come Home" campaign apparently isn't working.
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 10, 2013 2:24 AM GMT
    Yes indeed. Walk up in the line for Communion and when you get to the priest and he gives you the blessing, pop a cracker in your mouth, drink one of those travel-sized wines and attempt to whistle "AMEN!"
  • metta

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    Apr 12, 2013 4:19 PM GMT
    Catholic bishop to gay marriage supporters: Keep communing

    "Don't stop going to communion. You're okay," said Retired Auxiliary Bishop of Detroit Thomas Gumbleton.

    http://wap.myfoxdetroit.com/w/news/story/89162133/