Glenn Beck becomes latest conservative to say marriage equality advocates have won

  • metta

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    Apr 09, 2013 7:13 AM GMT
    Glenn Beck becomes latest conservative to say marriage equality advocates have won

    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/glenn-beck-becomes-latest-conservative-say-marriage-equality-advocates-have-won090413
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    Apr 09, 2013 2:02 PM GMT
    And, unsurprisingly, I find myself disagreeing with him again.

    I don't perceive people "making [same-sex marriage] about freedom." If anything, the debate has centered on justice, a concept that, more times than not, is in a delicate tension with freedom.
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    Apr 09, 2013 4:13 PM GMT
    CFL_Oakland saidAnd, unsurprisingly, I find myself disagreeing with him again.

    I don't perceive people "making [same-sex marriage] about freedom." If anything, the debate has centered on justice, a concept that, more times than not, is in a delicate tension with freedom.


    Actually, I think, on this very specific issue Glen is more or less right-ish. To quote from the article
    Glen BeckEveryone, basically, understands freedom. That [they want] more freedom not less and so the argument has been “who are you to tell me what I can and cannot do?”


    Gay right's, in a larger sense, are less about gay's having rights and more about people not having the right to dictate actions that don't impact them or other non-consenting parties.

    Marriage, in turn, is more or less just a corollary to accepting that. Though, I can see the argument that recognizing marriage, in the context of gay acceptance is a "justice" issue. But it was having homosexuality accepted that won marriage. "Justice" was easy, "freedom" was hard.
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    Apr 09, 2013 9:39 PM GMT
    It's interesting to note, and ironic, that the big concession of Republicans on Marriage Equality is the big divorce with the Religious Right.
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    Apr 09, 2013 9:57 PM GMT
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    Apr 09, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
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    Apr 10, 2013 12:49 AM GMT
    His type loathes the idea of "equality" -- there is an idealized American citizen framed by race, class, etc. in his mind -- but the notion of "freedom" is sacrosanct to hardcore Conservatives.

    That's why his brains are currently trickling out of his ears.
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    Apr 10, 2013 12:53 AM GMT
    I think Rick Santorum is even more correct in his analysis.

    http://news.yahoo.com/rick-santorums-warning-republicans-embracing-gay-marriage-suicidal-172300413.html

    Rick Santorum's warning to Republicans: Embracing gay marriage is 'suicidal'

    Republicans have created a brand for themselves that they now have to live with.
    If they walk away from the religious bigotry that they created, they can expect a large percentage of their base to walk away from them.

    But Beck is right that the marriage equality debate is over. He's trying to rebrand himself as a Libertarian so that he can pull away from the Republican party that he recognizes is going down.
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    Apr 10, 2013 1:23 AM GMT
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    But Beck is right that the marriage equality debate is over. He's trying to rebrand himself as a Libertarian so that he can pull away from the Republican party that he recognizes is going down.


    Whoever you are, you hit it on the nose. Republicans know that ship is sinking and they are all jumping on the Libertarian lifeboat, piloted by none other than Rand Paul.
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    Apr 10, 2013 1:25 AM GMT
    Not like there aren't a lot of insane Libertarians...
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    Apr 10, 2013 1:28 AM GMT
    I can't even listen to that asshole. "It's not about gays"?

    Oh really? Has he not been paying attention?
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    Apr 10, 2013 1:47 AM GMT
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    blazerblue saidI

    But Beck is right that the marriage equality debate is over. He's trying to rebrand himself as a Libertarian so that he can pull away from the Republican party that he recognizes is going down.


    Whoever you are, you hit it on the nose. Republicans know that ship is sinking and they are all jumping on the Libertarian lifeboat, piloted by none other than Rand Paul.



    Thanks. I think Rand Paul is on a collision course with his own bullshit but he's still got a brighter future than most of his fellow Republicans.

    Ron Paul, unlike his son, had a very clear message. And that message was 'NO' to everything. He is an idiot but at least he had a very consistent message. Ron Paul said 'NO $' for schools and none for the military either. His followers never seemed to wonder how our uneducated citizens would stand up to a Chinese super military which no longer feared US retaliation.

    Rand Paul has taken his dad's straightforward naive philosophy and tweaked it with various exceptions to make himself appear more sophisticated. FAIL to follow.
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    Apr 10, 2013 1:48 AM GMT
    theantijock saidI can't even listen to that asshole. "It's not about gays"?

    Oh really? Has he not been paying attention?


    gay may be the vessel, but to me it's about equality.
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    Apr 10, 2013 1:48 AM GMT
    Who cares what that washed up waste of flesh has to say? icon_confused.gif
  • Musicman91

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    Apr 10, 2013 1:50 AM GMT
    Who is Glenn Beck?
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    Musicman91 saidWho is Glenn Beck?


    Your life is happier than mine.
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    Apr 10, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    blazerblue saidI think Rick Santorum is even more correct in his analysis.

    http://news.yahoo.com/rick-santorums-warning-republicans-embracing-gay-marriage-suicidal-172300413.html

    Rick Santorum's warning to Republicans: Embracing gay marriage is 'suicidal'

    Republicans have created a brand for themselves that they now have to live with.
    If they walk away from the religious bigotry that they created, they can expect a large percentage of their base to walk away from them.

    But Beck is right that the marriage equality debate is over. He's trying to rebrand himself as a Libertarian so that he can pull away from the Republican party that he recognizes is going down.


    Every time I hear santorum, I can't help but google it. The best definition ever for that scum.
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    Apr 10, 2013 2:11 AM GMT
    dudewithabeard said
    theantijock saidI can't even listen to that asshole. "It's not about gays"?

    Oh really? Has he not been paying attention?


    gay may be the vessel, but to me it's about equality.


    But it's about equality for gay people. He might as well have said: It has nothing to do with their bestiality, it's just about freedom. Just because they fuck couches doesn't mean they shouldn't be free to marry one.

    This is not about freedom. Aside from equal rights, we've been free to live our lives pretty much as we please. So what he's doing is just trying to both save face from having lost the war against us while at the same time he's trying to diminish our victory, that we might be accepted by our family and friends and society for who we are.

    Freedom is about tolerances. One person's freedoms extend up until they interfere with another person's freedoms.

    This is not about tolerance. This is about acceptance. This is about being recognized as being fully human as str8 people. Our equality rights flow from there.

    Once they recognize us, they can not deny us.

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    Apr 10, 2013 2:23 AM GMT
    CFL_Oakland saidAnd, unsurprisingly, I find myself disagreeing with him again.

    I don't perceive people "making [same-sex marriage] about freedom." If anything, the debate has centered on justice, a concept that, more times than not, is in a delicate tension with freedom.


    For most people today it is probably about freedom and justice and equality.
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    Apr 10, 2013 2:24 AM GMT
    Elusium saidHis type loathes the idea of "equality" -- there is an idealized American citizen framed by race, class, etc. in his mind -- but the notion of "freedom" is sacrosanct to hardcore Conservatives.

    That's why his brains are currently trickling out of his ears.


    Yeah, he loves the notion of "freedom".
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    Apr 10, 2013 2:26 AM GMT
    blazerblue saidI think Rick Santorum is even more correct in his analysis.

    http://news.yahoo.com/rick-santorums-warning-republicans-embracing-gay-marriage-suicidal-172300413.html

    Rick Santorum's warning to Republicans: Embracing gay marriage is 'suicidal'

    Republicans have created a brand for themselves that they now have to live with.
    If they walk away from the religious bigotry that they created, they can expect a large percentage of their base to walk away from them.

    But Beck is right that the marriage equality debate is over. He's trying to rebrand himself as a Libertarian so that he can pull away from the Republican party that he recognizes is going down.


    But I think he has long had a Libertarian philosophy. He pulled away from the Republicans long ago. He is so wacky he couldn't even keep his job at Fox.
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    blazerblue saidI think Rick Santorum is even more correct in his analysis.

    http://news.yahoo.com/rick-santorums-warning-republicans-embracing-gay-marriage-suicidal-172300413.html

    Rick Santorum's warning to Republicans: Embracing gay marriage is 'suicidal'

    Republicans have created a brand for themselves that they now have to live with.
    If they walk away from the religious bigotry that they created, they can expect a large percentage of their base to walk away from them.

    But Beck is right that the marriage equality debate is over. He's trying to rebrand himself as a Libertarian so that he can pull away from the Republican party that he recognizes is going down.


    Every time I hear santorum, I can't help but google it. The best definition ever for that scum.


    Yes, but let us hope and pray that this "scum" runs for president in a few years. And he probably will.
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    blazerblue saidI think Rick Santorum is even more correct in his analysis.

    http://news.yahoo.com/rick-santorums-warning-republicans-embracing-gay-marriage-suicidal-172300413.html

    Rick Santorum's warning to Republicans: Embracing gay marriage is 'suicidal'

    Republicans have created a brand for themselves that they now have to live with.
    If they walk away from the religious bigotry that they created, they can expect a large percentage of their base to walk away from them.

    But Beck is right that the marriage equality debate is over. He's trying to rebrand himself as a Libertarian so that he can pull away from the Republican party that he recognizes is going down.


    No, Santorum is is utterly wrong. If the Republican party continues to oppose marriage equality, they are in big trouble. Actually, they already are. Their only hope for long-term survival is to moderate many of their positions and to eventually embrace marriage equality and gay rights generally. Anyone who knows anything about American political demographics knows that.

    On the other hand, I hope that Santorum and his ilk continue to bash fags and oppose marriage equality. I hope he runs for president. It will help to ensure victories by progressive/liberals and Democrats.

    And then at long last, everyone will some day be able to marry their pet dog. ;)
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    blazerblue saidI

    But Beck is right that the marriage equality debate is over. He's trying to rebrand himself as a Libertarian so that he can pull away from the Republican party that he recognizes is going down.


    Whoever you are, you hit it on the nose. Republicans know that ship is sinking and they are all jumping on the Libertarian lifeboat, piloted by none other than Rand Paul.


    Today Rand Pual pilots nothing to be frank.
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    Apr 10, 2013 2:57 AM GMT
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    And then at long last, everyone will some day be able to marry their pet dog. ;)



    My dog and I have been together for almost 7 years. What we have together is so beautiful and loving.

    At first I resisted the idea that we needed any governmental recognition of our relationship. But it turns out that almost everywhere in America you do. I had to send in a fee to my county's Animal Care and Control office and then we were officially recognized as belonging to each other.

    I'm hoping that gay marriage will someday be as easy to obtain. Well, minus the rabies shot.