IRS claims it can read your e-mail without a warrant

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    Apr 10, 2013 5:21 PM GMT
    If only this were under a Republican administration... then you'd get a lot more outrage about this kind of thing...

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57578839-38/irs-claims-it-can-read-your-e-mail-without-a-warrant/
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    Apr 10, 2013 5:55 PM GMT
    OpIn November, a Senate panel approved the e-mail warrant requirement, and last month Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes the heart of Silicon Valley, introduced similar legislation in the House of Representatives. The Justice Department indicated last month it will drop its opposition to an e-mail warrant requirement.
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    Apr 10, 2013 6:05 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    OpIn November, a Senate panel approved the e-mail warrant requirement, and last month Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes the heart of Silicon Valley, introduced similar legislation in the House of Representatives. The Justice Department indicated last month it will drop its opposition to an e-mail warrant requirement.


    Ah so the IRS simply runs on its own entirely independent of political oversight?
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    Apr 10, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
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    q1w2e3 said
    OpIn November, a Senate panel approved the e-mail warrant requirement, and last month Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes the heart of Silicon Valley, introduced similar legislation in the House of Representatives. The Justice Department indicated last month it will drop its opposition to an e-mail warrant requirement.


    Ah so the IRS simply runs on its own entirely independent of political oversight?

    I'm just pointing out that you're ignoring the bipartisan distaste for invasion of privacy.
    I think the IRS bureaucrats are pretty much the same under any president.
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    Apr 10, 2013 6:21 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    OpIn November, a Senate panel approved the e-mail warrant requirement, and last month Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes the heart of Silicon Valley, introduced similar legislation in the House of Representatives. The Justice Department indicated last month it will drop its opposition to an e-mail warrant requirement.


    Ah so the IRS simply runs on its own entirely independent of political oversight?

    I'm just pointing out that you're ignoring the bipartisan distaste for invasion of privacy.
    I think the IRS bureaucrats are pretty much the same under any president.


    I'm far from ignoring what seems to be light disagreement. I'm simply noting the lack of visceral outrage for what is an outrageous interpretation - a reaction that would undoubtedly have been proclaimed loudly by Democrats and newspapers under a different Administration.
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    Apr 10, 2013 6:25 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    OpIn November, a Senate panel approved the e-mail warrant requirement, and last month Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes the heart of Silicon Valley, introduced similar legislation in the House of Representatives. The Justice Department indicated last month it will drop its opposition to an e-mail warrant requirement.


    Ah so the IRS simply runs on its own entirely independent of political oversight?

    I'm just pointing out that you're ignoring the bipartisan distaste for invasion of privacy.
    I think the IRS bureaucrats are pretty much the same under any president.


    I'm far from ignoring what seems to be light disagreement. I'm simply noting the lack of visceral outrage for what is an outrageous interpretation - a reaction that would undoubtedly have been proclaimed loudly by Democrats and newspapers under a different Administration.


    Probably because the John Woos of the world have won...we've all given in to the law and order arguments.
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    Apr 10, 2013 6:28 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    OpIn November, a Senate panel approved the e-mail warrant requirement, and last month Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes the heart of Silicon Valley, introduced similar legislation in the House of Representatives. The Justice Department indicated last month it will drop its opposition to an e-mail warrant requirement.


    Ah so the IRS simply runs on its own entirely independent of political oversight?

    I'm just pointing out that you're ignoring the bipartisan distaste for invasion of privacy.
    I think the IRS bureaucrats are pretty much the same under any president.


    I'm far from ignoring what seems to be light disagreement. I'm simply noting the lack of visceral outrage for what is an outrageous interpretation - a reaction that would undoubtedly have been proclaimed loudly by Democrats and newspapers under a different Administration.


    Probably because the John Woos of the world have won...we've all given in to the law and order arguments.


    I'm sure that's what you probably believe, but I think the reality is somewhat different. The reality I suspect is that many are more concerned about partisanship than ideas - that the protests like the anti-war protests weren't about anti-war and principle but about party just as it is now (and as your rationalization suggests).
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    Apr 10, 2013 8:27 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    OpIn November, a Senate panel approved the e-mail warrant requirement, and last month Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes the heart of Silicon Valley, introduced similar legislation in the House of Representatives. The Justice Department indicated last month it will drop its opposition to an e-mail warrant requirement.


    Ah so the IRS simply runs on its own entirely independent of political oversight?

    I'm just pointing out that you're ignoring the bipartisan distaste for invasion of privacy.
    I think the IRS bureaucrats are pretty much the same under any president.


    I'm far from ignoring what seems to be light disagreement. I'm simply noting the lack of visceral outrage for what is an outrageous interpretation - a reaction that would undoubtedly have been proclaimed loudly by Democrats and newspapers under a different Administration.


    Probably because the John Woos of the world have won...we've all given in to the law and order arguments.


    I'm sure that's what you probably believe, but I think the reality is somewhat different. The reality I suspect is that many are more concerned about partisanship than ideas - that the protests like the anti-war protests weren't about anti-war and principle but about party just as it is now (and as your rationalization suggests).


    I'm sure you're right too. Witness what happened to the idea of health insurance mandates. In fact Ezra Klein documented a whole slew of ideas that were espoused not because of their intrinsic place in the political spectrum, but because of clannishness, to say the least.

    I, for one, applaud the Email warrant requirement.
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    Apr 10, 2013 8:41 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidI'm sure you're right too. Witness what happened to the idea of health insurance mandates. In fact Ezra Klein documented a whole slew of ideas that were espoused not because of their intrinsic place in the political spectrum, but because of clannishness, to say the least.

    I, for one, applaud the Email warrant requirement.


    Except that the IRS doesn't see itself as needing to abide by that particular law, as you may or may not have missed the point of the article.
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    Apr 10, 2013 9:48 PM GMT
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    q1w2e3 saidI'm sure you're right too. Witness what happened to the idea of health insurance mandates. In fact Ezra Klein documented a whole slew of ideas that were espoused not because of their intrinsic place in the political spectrum, but because of clannishness, to say the least.

    I, for one, applaud the Email warrant requirement.


    Except that the IRS doesn't see itself as needing to abide by that particular law, as you may or may not have missed the point of the article.

    And I'm sure people in the justice dept are not happy with the unelected bureaucrats at the IRS.
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    Apr 10, 2013 9:53 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    riddler78 said
    q1w2e3 said
    OpIn November, a Senate panel approved the e-mail warrant requirement, and last month Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes the heart of Silicon Valley, introduced similar legislation in the House of Representatives. The Justice Department indicated last month it will drop its opposition to an e-mail warrant requirement.


    Ah so the IRS simply runs on its own entirely independent of political oversight?

    I'm just pointing out that you're ignoring the bipartisan distaste for invasion of privacy.
    I think the IRS bureaucrats are pretty much the same under any president.


    I'm far from ignoring what seems to be light disagreement. I'm simply noting the lack of visceral outrage for what is an outrageous interpretation - a reaction that would undoubtedly have been proclaimed loudly by Democrats and newspapers under a different Administration.


    Probably because the John Woos of the world have won...we've all given in to the law and order arguments.


    The lack of outrage is because it's a Riddler topic. Your agenda is too obvious.
    If someone else had started this topic there might have been a different response.
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    Apr 10, 2013 10:06 PM GMT
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    q1w2e3 saidI'm sure you're right too. Witness what happened to the idea of health insurance mandates. In fact Ezra Klein documented a whole slew of ideas that were espoused not because of their intrinsic place in the political spectrum, but because of clannishness, to say the least.

    I, for one, applaud the Email warrant requirement.


    Except that the IRS doesn't see itself as needing to abide by that particular law, as you may or may not have missed the point of the article.

    And I'm sure people in the justice dept are not happy with the unelected bureaucrats at the IRS.


    You'd think they wouldn't be but apparently they don't care that much - again likely because this is more of a partisan issue than one of ideals.
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    Apr 10, 2013 10:14 PM GMT
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    meninlove saidThe lack of outrage is because it's a Riddler topic. Your agenda is too obvious.
    If someone else had started this topic there might have been a different response.

    +1

    Riddler is a caricature of itself. You can only jump the shark so many times and still hope to be taken seriously. You can't be Glenn Beck posting troll post after troll post after troll post and then be all "hey, this one is serious....just forget what I usually post, I'm trying to be all objective and informative here". It just doesn't work. icon_confused.gif


    Heh - as if either of you have credibility. But again, just pointing out that this is more about party than ideas as you have shown yourself to be repeatedly on the wrong side of.
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    Apr 10, 2013 10:24 PM GMT
    IRS Doesn’t Deny Snooping Emails Without A Warrant

    http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/10/irs-doesnt-deny-snooping-emails-without-a-warrant/
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    Apr 10, 2013 10:36 PM GMT
    yourname2000 saidOP: This impacts you in Hong Kong how? icon_confused.gificon_eek.gif

    +1
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    Apr 10, 2013 10:43 PM GMT
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    yourname2000 saidOP: This impacts you in Hong Kong how? icon_confused.gificon_eek.gif

    +1


    This has turned out to be another excellent Rorschach test. Apparently you have no problems with the fact they think it's constitutional to read your emails without a warrant.
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    Apr 11, 2013 4:50 AM GMT
    The IRS pretty much does what it wants. The can also seize assets, property, garnish your wages and have you arrested without due process. I've never understood a govt agency that can and does operate outside the bounds of the constitution.
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    Apr 12, 2013 3:32 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidIf only this were under a Republican administration... then you'd get a lot more outrage about this kind of thing...

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57578839-38/irs-claims-it-can-read-your-e-mail-without-a-warrant/


    So I did a little search on the left-leaning sites (Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Mother Jones, Slate) and within 1-2 days of the original ACLU blog article, all of them had articles condemning the IRS practice in the same tone of the ACLU blog article. So this OP statement is probably not true in this circumstance.

    I would post the links but the iPad is terrible at cutting and pasting links.