are gay men just women in mens body?

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    Apr 11, 2013 8:35 PM GMT
    To play devil's advocate, what do you think about that theory? I was just reading up on it and it makes sense to me a lot.
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    Apr 11, 2013 8:49 PM GMT
    Do you feel like a woman in a man's body, DKW?
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    Apr 11, 2013 8:51 PM GMT
    No, yet another stupid question.
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    Apr 11, 2013 8:56 PM GMT
    Beyond anatomy, define "man" and "woman". I mean what characteristics are intrinsically "female" vs "male"?

    I'm often helping my lady friends with some mechanical problem or other and when I fix something in a cinch they ask, "How did you do that?" My reply: "Next time be born with a penis." Of course I'm not serious but it sort of begs the question: How much of gender identity is nature, a product of evolution, how much is nurture or social conditioning?

    As for myself, I can be caring, supportive and loving but have few if any "maternal" instincts. I don't find babies cute. Puppies and kittens, yes, babies, eww!
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    Apr 11, 2013 9:02 PM GMT
    MikeW saidBeyond anatomy, define "man" and "woman". I mean what characteristics are intrinsically "female" vs "male"?

    I'm often helping my lady friends with some mechanical problem or other and when I fix something in a cinch they ask, "How did you do that?" My reply: "Next time be born with a penis." Of course I'm not serious but it sort of begs the question: How much of gender identity is nature, a product of evolution, how much is nurture or social conditioning?

    As for myself, I can be caring, supportive and loving but have few if any "maternal" instincts. I don't find babies cute. Puppies and kittens, yes, babies, eww!


    Very wel thought out answer. I agree, even straight men can have feminine traits but they are hetereosexual meaning non-homosexual so they are out of the equation. However, where does that leave gay men in terms of identity?
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    Apr 11, 2013 9:10 PM GMT
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    MikeW saidBeyond anatomy, define "man" and "woman". I mean what characteristics are intrinsically "female" vs "male"?

    I'm often helping my lady friends with some mechanical problem or other and when I fix something in a cinch they ask, "How did you do that?" My reply: "Next time be born with a penis." Of course I'm not serious but it sort of begs the question: How much of gender identity is nature, a product of evolution, how much is nurture or social conditioning?

    As for myself, I can be caring, supportive and loving but have few if any "maternal" instincts. I don't find babies cute. Puppies and kittens, yes, babies, eww!


    Very wel thought out answer. I agree, even straight men can have feminine traits but they are hetereosexual meaning non-homosexual so they are out of the equation. However, where does that leave gay men in terms of identity?

    Not sure I understand what you're trying to figure out. We're men who are sexually attracted to other men. Call it "gay" "homosexual" w/e.

    Where I get confused is straight men who transgender to female and then identify as lesbians. I once knew such a person. He said he just felt much more comfortable in a woman's body. I couldn't wrap my head around it at all but w/e makes one happy!

    PS: Beyond genetics, I have a whole metaphysical theory about why we're gay. If you're interested, email me.
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    Apr 11, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
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    Apr 11, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
    Do you understand the difference between gender identity and sexuality?
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    Apr 11, 2013 11:09 PM GMT
    unfounded7 saidDo you understand the difference between gender identity and sexuality?


    Care to elaborate?
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    Apr 11, 2013 11:25 PM GMT
    Hey dontknowwhy!
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    Apr 11, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
    Nonsense90 saidTo play devil's advocate, what do you think about that theory? I was just reading up on it and it makes sense to me a lot.


    Male organisms have two sex chromosomes; an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. The Y chromosome contains everything that makes you a male. If you didn't have a Y chromosomes but rather two X chromosomes (one of which is obviously a barr body) there would be no Y chromosome, and therefore no instructions for the male body. In short, if you have male parts, you're male. If you have female parts, you're female. If you have both, you've undergone some sort of mutation.

    Homosexuality refers to organisms who are sexually attracted to other organisms of the same sex. It does not mean that the male is "supposed to be a female" or any of that hokum.
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    Apr 11, 2013 11:36 PM GMT
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    Nonsense90 saidTo play devil's advocate, what do you think about that theory? I was just reading up on it and it makes sense to me a lot.


    Male organisms have two sex chromosomes; an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. The Y chromosome contains everything that makes you a male. If you didn't have a Y chromosomes but rather two X chromosomes (one of which is obviously a barr body) there would be no Y chromosome, and therefore no instructions for the male body. In short, if you have male parts, you're male. If you have female parts, you're female. If you have both, you've undergone some sort of mutation.

    Homosexuality refers to organisms who are sexually attracted to other organisms of the same sex. It does not mean that the male is "supposed to be a female" or any of that hokum.


    It actually does if you look at science and the similarity of the brain between female and gays.
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    Apr 11, 2013 11:39 PM GMT
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    Nonsense90 saidTo play devil's advocate, what do you think about that theory? I was just reading up on it and it makes sense to me a lot.


    Male organisms have two sex chromosomes; an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. The Y chromosome contains everything that makes you a male. If you didn't have a Y chromosomes but rather two X chromosomes (one of which is obviously a barr body) there would be no Y chromosome, and therefore no instructions for the male body. In short, if you have male parts, you're male. If you have female parts, you're female. If you have both, you've undergone some sort of mutation.

    Homosexuality refers to organisms who are sexually attracted to other organisms of the same sex. It does not mean that the male is "supposed to be a female" or any of that hokum.


    It actually does if you look at science and the similarity of the brain between female and gays.


    Have you looked at the similarities between the brains of homosexual males and females? Or can you provide me with a solid source with such information?
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    Apr 11, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
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    Nonsense90 said
    Dan_xD said
    Nonsense90 saidTo play devil's advocate, what do you think about that theory? I was just reading up on it and it makes sense to me a lot.


    Male organisms have two sex chromosomes; an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. The Y chromosome contains everything that makes you a male. If you didn't have a Y chromosomes but rather two X chromosomes (one of which is obviously a barr body) there would be no Y chromosome, and therefore no instructions for the male body. In short, if you have male parts, you're male. If you have female parts, you're female. If you have both, you've undergone some sort of mutation.

    Homosexuality refers to organisms who are sexually attracted to other organisms of the same sex. It does not mean that the male is "supposed to be a female" or any of that hokum.


    It actually does if you look at science and the similarity of the brain between female and gays.


    Have you looked at the similarities between the brains of homosexual males and females? Or can you provide me with a solid source with such information?


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology
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    Apr 11, 2013 11:44 PM GMT
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    +1

    To answer: Hell NO!
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    Apr 11, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
    Nonsense90 said
    Dan_xD said
    Nonsense90 said
    Dan_xD said
    Nonsense90 saidTo play devil's advocate, what do you think about that theory? I was just reading up on it and it makes sense to me a lot.


    Male organisms have two sex chromosomes; an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. The Y chromosome contains everything that makes you a male. If you didn't have a Y chromosomes but rather two X chromosomes (one of which is obviously a barr body) there would be no Y chromosome, and therefore no instructions for the male body. In short, if you have male parts, you're male. If you have female parts, you're female. If you have both, you've undergone some sort of mutation.

    Homosexuality refers to organisms who are sexually attracted to other organisms of the same sex. It does not mean that the male is "supposed to be a female" or any of that hokum.


    It actually does if you look at science and the similarity of the brain between female and gays.


    Have you looked at the similarities between the brains of homosexual males and females? Or can you provide me with a solid source with such information?


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology



    Although that's interesting, it's still impossible for a female to be trapped inside of a male's body, unless you want to start delving into the world of fringe science.
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    Apr 12, 2013 4:19 AM GMT
    Nonsense90 saidTo play devil's advocate, what do you think about that theory? I was just reading up on it and it makes sense to me a lot.
    Certain parts of the gay man's brain are wired/structured like that of straight women (the amygdala for example), but gay men are still men.
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    Apr 12, 2013 4:20 AM GMT
    Dan_xD said
    Nonsense90 said
    Dan_xD said
    Nonsense90 said
    Dan_xD said
    Nonsense90 saidTo play devil's advocate, what do you think about that theory? I was just reading up on it and it makes sense to me a lot.


    Male organisms have two sex chromosomes; an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. The Y chromosome contains everything that makes you a male. If you didn't have a Y chromosomes but rather two X chromosomes (one of which is obviously a barr body) there would be no Y chromosome, and therefore no instructions for the male body. In short, if you have male parts, you're male. If you have female parts, you're female. If you have both, you've undergone some sort of mutation.

    Homosexuality refers to organisms who are sexually attracted to other organisms of the same sex. It does not mean that the male is "supposed to be a female" or any of that hokum.


    It actually does if you look at science and the similarity of the brain between female and gays.


    Have you looked at the similarities between the brains of homosexual males and females? Or can you provide me with a solid source with such information?


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology



    Although that's interesting, it's still impossible for a female to be trapped inside of a male's body, unless you want to start delving into the world of fringe science.
    Ever heard of transsexuality?
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    Apr 12, 2013 4:21 AM GMT
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    Dan_xD said
    Nonsense90 said
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    Nonsense90 saidTo play devil's advocate, what do you think about that theory? I was just reading up on it and it makes sense to me a lot.


    Male organisms have two sex chromosomes; an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. The Y chromosome contains everything that makes you a male. If you didn't have a Y chromosomes but rather two X chromosomes (one of which is obviously a barr body) there would be no Y chromosome, and therefore no instructions for the male body. In short, if you have male parts, you're male. If you have female parts, you're female. If you have both, you've undergone some sort of mutation.

    Homosexuality refers to organisms who are sexually attracted to other organisms of the same sex. It does not mean that the male is "supposed to be a female" or any of that hokum.


    It actually does if you look at science and the similarity of the brain between female and gays.


    Have you looked at the similarities between the brains of homosexual males and females? Or can you provide me with a solid source with such information?
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex.html

    Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait.

    The scans reveal that in gay people, key structures of the brain governing emotion, mood, anxiety and aggressiveness resemble those in straight people of the opposite sex.

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    Apr 12, 2013 4:22 AM GMT
    Nonsense90 saidTo play devil's advocate, what do you think about that theory? I was just reading up on it and it makes sense to me a lot.


    I think you're a woman, just without the intellect.
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    Apr 12, 2013 4:23 AM GMT
    yeah your screen name is the answer.
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    Apr 12, 2013 4:24 AM GMT
    Karl saidyeah your screen name is the answer.


    +1 oh so much
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    Apr 12, 2013 4:26 AM GMT
    This is not my opinion or thesis but of Jake Bensons so ask him not me
  • AMoonHawk

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    Apr 12, 2013 4:29 AM GMT
    I'm gay and I am definitely no woman