Sculpture of Jesus the Homeless rejected by two prominent churches

  • metta

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    Apr 13, 2013 4:00 PM GMT
    Sculpture of Jesus the Homeless rejected by two prominent churches

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    http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2013/04/13/sculpture_of_jesus_the_homeless_rejected_by_two_prominent_churches.html
  • tazzari

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    Apr 13, 2013 4:06 PM GMT
    That's superb. The snow makes it especially gripping. I wish we had this t our church!
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    Apr 13, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
    Wow, did those two churches ever miss the mark. Or, in this case, Matthew. icon_wink.gif

    Matthew 8:20 " “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

    Matthew 25;35-36
    35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
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    Apr 13, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
    y ´all mother fuckers need to leave Jayzus out of this socialist crap. He worked for the NRA and voted Republican. Says so in the bible AMEN yes it does.
  • musclmed

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    Apr 13, 2013 7:07 PM GMT
    metta8 saidSculpture of Jesus the Homeless rejected by two prominent churches

    jesus_statue.jpg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.


    http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2013/04/13/sculpture_of_jesus_the_homeless_rejected_by_two_prominent_churches.html


    Kind of weird others are criticizing a church for accepting or rejecting a statue.

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    Apr 13, 2013 7:46 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    metta8 saidSculpture of Jesus the Homeless rejected by two prominent churches

    jesus_statue.jpg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.


    http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2013/04/13/sculpture_of_jesus_the_homeless_rejected_by_two_prominent_churches.html


    Kind of weird others are criticizing a church for accepting or rejecting a statue.



    If you are Christian, then you would, I think, understand.
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    Apr 13, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    Aw. The sculpture really evokes empathy. Very powerful. I hope it lands somewhere that it can have the greatest impact on people's hearts.
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    Apr 14, 2013 1:05 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    musclmed said
    metta8 saidSculpture of Jesus the Homeless rejected by two prominent churches

    jesus_statue.jpg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.


    http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2013/04/13/sculpture_of_jesus_the_homeless_rejected_by_two_prominent_churches.html


    Kind of weird others are criticizing a church for accepting or rejecting a statue.



    If you are Christian, then you would, I think, understand.


    trying to define what a christian is in my opinion the opposite of Christ's message. There are many parts of the Gospel when Jesus lends criticism to the few who thought they were "closer" followers , and in turn tears them off the pharasee high horse . HINT MENINLOVE.

    Christianity has many different dimensions and beliefs. Some christian do not have any statues at all.

    A religion should be able to choose whatever statue they want.

    The article seems to be a veiled attack against the catholic church which usually commissions art it wants.
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    Apr 14, 2013 1:17 AM GMT


    Lame, Musclmed.

    Did you read the reasons? 'Vague and inappropriate.' for example.
  • musclmed

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    Apr 14, 2013 2:36 AM GMT
    meninlove said

    Lame, Musclmed.

    Did you read the reasons? 'Vague and inappropriate.' for example.


    Point which you obviously cannot get is the catholic church can do what its wants.
    And the quote was from the artist. Not anyone else.
    Usually religious art is commissioned and this artists is obviously disgruntled.

    Maybe he can just start his own church and display it.

    Considering that many shreak at the sign of the cross , religion should be displayed inside a church.

    Oh but apparently its ok if you are making some sort of social justice point.
  • kevmoran

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    Apr 14, 2013 2:46 AM GMT
    But then how will people be able to imagine their perfectly chiseled, white, beautiful Jesus with that in the way?!?!!
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    Apr 14, 2013 2:51 AM GMT
    musclmed said


    trying to define what a christian is in my opinion the opposite of Christ's message.


    AMEN. Tell that to Rick Santorum.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Apr 14, 2013 3:45 AM GMT
    Beautiful sculpture. Captures what Christianity is supposed to be about, IMO.
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    Apr 14, 2013 4:11 AM GMT
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    meninlove said

    Lame, Musclmed.

    Did you read the reasons? 'Vague and inappropriate.' for example.


    Point which you obviously cannot get is the catholic church can do what its wants.
    And the quote was from the artist. Not anyone else.
    Usually religious art is commissioned and this artists is obviously disgruntled.

    Maybe he can just start his own church and display it.

    Considering that many shreak at the sign of the cross , religion should be displayed inside a church.

    Oh but apparently its ok if you are making some sort of social justice point.


    *Reads response, realizes poster hasn't read all of article*

    Okaayyyy. If you'd read all the article you'd know where the statue ended up.
  • musclmed

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    Apr 14, 2013 5:19 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    musclmed said
    meninlove said

    Lame, Musclmed.

    Did you read the reasons? 'Vague and inappropriate.' for example.


    Point which you obviously cannot get is the catholic church can do what its wants.
    And the quote was from the artist. Not anyone else.
    Usually religious art is commissioned and this artists is obviously disgruntled.

    Maybe he can just start his own church and display it.

    Considering that many shreak at the sign of the cross , religion should be displayed inside a church.

    Oh but apparently its ok if you are making some sort of social justice point.


    *Reads response, realizes poster hasn't read all of article*

    Okaayyyy. If you'd read all the article you'd know where the statue ended up.


    as usual you miss the point.

    I did read the article. It is very poorly written with several grammatical errors. However the inference that somehow the statue had been turned down by several prominent churches seeks to tug at the heartstrings of some who frequently denounce the catholic church.

    The catholic church doesn't need to explain who and what it uses as it symbols.

    A major point I will restate again is most religious art is commissioned. Complaining that your art is not bought by a religious institutions is just a form of extortion. The author searched and found unrelated anecdotes to support the conclusions he obviously held before writing the article.

    Did he even bother to get the story from the Church? would they have to move something else to put it in its place? Was some ridiculous price being charged for it Who knows ?
    One could also argue if the sculptor truely knew "homeless jesus" he wouldnt stand and sit idoly by and be sold for money.
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    Apr 14, 2013 2:43 PM GMT
    No, any church doesn't need to explain. However, it's the prerogative of others to critique the statue they turned down and reflect on what they turned down. There's nothing weird about that. icon_wink.gif

    What makes it interesting as well is that the rectors liked this statue very much but admin said no. One tried to find a home for it at another church. I found that to be enlightening as it infers they saw what I see when I look at it.

    "Rectors of both cathedrals were enthusiastic about the bronze piece and showed Schmalz possible locations, but higher-ups in the New York and Toronto archdiocese turned it down, he says.
    “It was very upsetting because the rectors liked it, but when it got to the administration, people thought it might be too controversial or vague,” he says. He was told “it was not an appropriate image.”
    The Toronto archdiocese tried to help him find an alternative location, including St. Augustine’s Seminary in Scarborough. But Schmalz, who describes his work as a visual prayer, wanted to reach a wider, secular audience. “I wanted not only the converted to see it, but also the marginalized. I almost gave up trying to find a place.”

    This part is interesting as well, because it's also how I felt when I first saw it.

    "When theologian Thomas Reynolds came upon it he felt “the shock of recognition.” He quoted the biblical passage: “ … the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.”

    I also think that a plaque on the bench quoting Matthew 8:20 would be fitting, as the artist wants others besides the devout to see it, and I think that would help the unfamiliar understand it.
  • musclmed

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    Apr 14, 2013 5:14 PM GMT
    not even getting into whether the image is "good" or "bad". The article doesn't even attempt to source the catholic church.

    Its a 1 sided view of the story, from the artists point of view.

    The other obvious and glaring point is that most art of this type is commissioned.

    You can count on 1 thing, this artist will not be commissioned by them in the future.
  • GQjock

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    Apr 14, 2013 10:46 PM GMT
    Geez .... we all know that Jesus can spring any fish he wants and get Panera take out from any basket that's laying around

    '''' "Swhat any blue-eyed blond Palestinian can do with his hands tied behind his back
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    Apr 18, 2013 10:46 AM GMT
    GQjock saidGeez .... we all know that Jesus can spring any fish he wants and get Panera take out from any basket that's laying around

    '''' "Swhat any blue-eyed blond Palestinian can do with his hands tied behind his back



    wouldn't a homeless carpenter be kind of ...I dont know...lazy? plus the whole "create a whole universe in a day" thing. Chosing to be homeless is kind of silly and inspires no empathy. Plus the atrocity of an empty 3oo foot tall heated building with freezing people outside...and then commissioning money to pay for a statue to rub it in, instead of say doing something about the problem...charming idea. "ahh...look at the starving homeless people freezing on the sidewalk...let's blow 100 grand on a nice statue to rub it in". muahhahaha.

    now if it was oversized, heated, and you could crawl into it and sleep like a tauntaun then THAT would be cool
  • metta

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    Apr 13, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
    Statue Of A Homeless Jesus Startles A Wealthy Community


    http://www.npr.org/2014/04/13/302019921/statue-of-a-homeless-jesus-startles-a-wealthy-community
  • tj85016

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    Apr 14, 2014 12:44 AM GMT
    it's a beautiful sculpture, who would be opposed to it?