The Most Post-Christian Cities

  • He_Man

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    Apr 16, 2013 4:28 PM GMT
    For those of us considering moving and wanting cities free from superstitious and antiquated belief systems:

    REVISED_41513_Secular_States_Barna_Citie

    http://cities.barna.org/the-most-post-christian-cities-in-america/


    Post-Christian Metrics:

    The level of irreligion in America depends on how you measure it. And the vitality of faith in America is much more than simply how people label themselves. Barna Group tracks the following 15 metrics related to faith, which speak to the lack of Christian identity, belief and practice. Read more of Barna Group’s research on the “Nones,” secularization and post-Christian America.

    Post-Christian = meet at least 60% of the following 15 factors (9 or more factors)
    Highly Post-Christian = meet at least 80% of the following 15 factors (12 or more factors)

    1. do not believe in God
    2. identify as atheist or agnostic
    3. disagree that faith is important in their lives
    4. have not prayed to God (in the last year)
    5. have never made a commitment to Jesus
    6. disagree the Bible is accurate
    7. have not donated money to a church (in the last year)
    8. have not attended a Christian church (in the last year)
    9. agree that Jesus committed sins
    10. do not feel a responsibility to “share their faith”
    11. have not read the Bible (in the last week)
    12. have not volunteered at church (in the last week)
    13. have not attended Sunday school (in the last week)
    14. have not attended religious small group (in the last week)
    15. do not participate in a house church (in the last year)
    SOURCE BARNA GROUP, N=23,018, U.S. ADULTS, WWW.BARNA.ORG


    Oh, I know this is a lot to ask and will be a great pain to many, but could you please keep the fighting and hatefulness to a minimum, or at least be respectful. Thanks.
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    Apr 16, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
    Whoo hoo! I just barely made the P-C cut! icon_smile.gif

    I presume it's not possible to acheive a "perfect" score anyway. Not sure, for example, how one can agree with #9 if they concur with #1.
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    Apr 16, 2013 6:12 PM GMT
    dayumm saidWhoo hoo! I just barely made the P-C cut! icon_smile.gif

    I presume it's not possible to acheive a "perfect" score anyway. Not sure, for example, how one can agree with #9 if they concur with #1.


    I was thinking the same thing! How can you believe that Jesus committed sins if you don't believe in him to begin with?

    I guess it's for people who don't believe in god, but have no problem believing that Jesus actually did exist but was an imperfect human rather than god-incarnate.

    I fell short on number 5 because I was raised uber religious, so of course I've made commitments to Jesus, but because I am a gay guy, I always break my relationship commitments, anyhow! icon_lol.gif

    #11 gets me into trouble, too, or any atheist, really, because reading the Bible is what partially made me a nonbeliever. I'm always reading the Bible and quoting it to show people the numerous contradictions, immoral values and its overall absurdity.
  • highforthis

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    Apr 17, 2013 5:02 AM GMT
    It's too bad being gay and anti-religion seem to come hand in hand. It's as if the only gay ethic is "do whatever pleases you as long as consent forms are signed", ick.

    I know like 2 other gay Christians... they get so much shit from the gay community just for being themselves. I always hide my Christianity when around gays icon_sad.gif
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    Apr 17, 2013 5:20 AM GMT
    highforthis saidIt's too bad being gay and anti-religion seem to come hand in hand. It's as if the only gay ethic is "do whatever pleases you as long as consent forms are signed", ick.

    I know like 2 other gay Christians... they get so much shit from the gay community just for being themselves. I always hide my Christianity when around gays icon_sad.gif


    Sorry, most of my atheist friends are way more ethical and moral than most of the Christians that I know, so "do whatever pleases you" is not even a factor in a Freethinker's ethos. Being moral and ethical has nothing to do with being religious or not. A person's morals do not come from a book, a creed or some imaginary being. We believe that being good and doing what is right is our moral duty as human beings and the most logical and reasonable thing to do in order to have a functioning society and, also, there's that thing called empathy. Neuroscience is actually starting to understand that morals are hardwired into the brain and that we have, indeed, evolved a sense of moral understanding, especially the work on mirror neurons. We don't need to be scared into being good because we don't fear eternal damnation, and it's pretty sad that people use religion as an excuse to be good. Really? You only act good because you fear going to hell? Shit! That's about as immoral as they come. I'm good because I choose to be, not because I'm afraid to be...

    Speaking of morals and ethics, I find it extremely immoral to believe that when people die that they will spend an eternity in a place of torture! What kind of fucked up mind would come up with that notion? Only a true psychotic person would create such horrible ideas and then teach innocent children that they are going to burn in a lake of fire for all time just to scare the shit out of them so that they will obey whatever they are told.
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    Apr 19, 2013 1:56 AM GMT
    He_Man said...

    Speaking of morals and ethics, I find it extremely immoral to believe that when people die that they will spend an eternity in a place of torture! What kind of fucked up mind would come up with that notion? Only a true psychotic person would create such horrible ideas and then teach innocent children that they are going to burn in a lake of fire for all time just to scare the shit out of them so that they will obey whatever they are told.
    *golf clap*
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    May 24, 2013 7:52 PM GMT
    I love He_Man for everything he has said in this thread. I'm in line with all of it, and he worded it all so eloquently.

    I am an atheist. I hold no faith (in a higher being).

    oh, and on a side note: want freedom from religion? Move to the UK. Atheism/Humanism is prevalent and not demonised over here. It's like the Pilgrims in reverse 500yrs later.
  • HottJoe

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    May 24, 2013 10:40 PM GMT
    highforthis saidIt's too bad being gay and anti-religion seem to come hand in hand. It's as if the only gay ethic is "do whatever pleases you as long as consent forms are signed", ick.

    I know like 2 other gay Christians... they get so much shit from the gay community just for being themselves. I always hide my Christianity when around gays icon_sad.gif


    No one says you have to hide your religion, but you might as well anyway, because you don't represent it well. You frequently contribute ageist, racist and anti gay community posts, often somehow encompassing all of it in one post. Please, we don't need you and your friends deciding what's ethical. Have fun waiting for the rapture. Humanity is going to evolve without you now.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 25, 2013 3:51 PM GMT
    I am very happy to see my hometown of Buffalo in the top ten list. Buffalo is no longer the ultra conservative, backward, blue collar city that we were back in the 1980s. We are changing for the better in respect to christian beliefs. It is quite easy being agnostic in Buffalo.
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    Jun 11, 2013 2:19 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    He_Man said...

    Speaking of morals and ethics, I find it extremely immoral to believe that when people die that they will spend an eternity in a place of torture! What kind of fucked up mind would come up with that notion? Only a true psychotic person would create such horrible ideas and then teach innocent children that they are going to burn in a lake of fire for all time just to scare the shit out of them so that they will obey whatever they are told.
    *golf clap*



    Response: Possibility of Reincarnation

    Second Response: Journey of Souls: Case Studies of Life Between Lives by Michael Newton

    In this book, he speaks of something that is done to corrupt souls. Maybe you don't want this done to your spirit after it leaves your body. It's not as bad as burning in a lake of fire.
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    Jun 11, 2013 2:23 AM GMT
    Post-Christianity to a certain extent is to be expected as we leave The Age of Pisces and move into The Age of Aquarius.

    However:

    We will still go through Sun in Pisces every year, so Christianity will have its month.

    Second, Christianity is about Salvation. As long as there are those ruining their lives or people ruining other peoples lives or geology ruining people's lives, we will have the cry of help from Humanity for SALVATION.

    Can I get a witness?
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    Jun 11, 2013 2:29 AM GMT
    Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the malice and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.

    Post-Christianity?
    There's no Post-St. Michael.
    There's no Post-Christ.

    You want to cheer the Anti-Christ?
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    Jun 11, 2013 8:55 AM GMT
    All these things of which you speak are from the same singular text.

    Can you not understand that people don't believe in this one singular text, and so therefore it is ALL irrelevant to us?
    heaven/hell, god/satan/jesus, saints/prophets/spirits.... it's all the same crap.

    If I don't believe in one, then I don't believe in any other. I don't believe in a soul. Once my physical being is gone, that's it. My "soul" (i.e. my brain matter, neurons, synaptic connections, ionic and electrical events) is a part of my physical being and when not nourished by oxygen, will perish.

    If you're going to preach your beliefs here, then I have a right to preach mine.

    Might I "suggest" (as you so frequently like to do so) you watch this video essay about a Christian's deconversion. It is intelligent, analytical, free of jargon, and honest:
    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA0C3C1D163BE880A
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    Jun 11, 2013 12:21 PM GMT
    gayinterest

    I don't believe in a soul.


    StephenOABC

    But you're uninformed. Your species may not have a soul but some Homo sapiens sapiens do have a soul.

    There are people who write about people who look like humans but are not. Maybe you're one of them.

    There are also people who write about differences: some people are highly aware of their soul, others have a very low awareness of their soul.

    But to ignore the field of Psychology and the field of Statistics and the field of Medicine which study and document Near Death Experiences, Astrology, Reincarnation, the existence of the human aura and to ignore Feng Shui and its effect on well being and to ignore the study of Ponerology (Political Ponerology in particular) and people's desire to transcend low forms of their character through the use of Gregorian Chants, meditation, ritual reveals leadership to human destruction.

    People need sacred places and times. People need religion.
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    Jun 12, 2013 1:28 AM GMT
    gayinterest saidAll these things of which you speak are from the same singular text.

    Can you not understand that people don't believe in this one singular text, and so therefore it is ALL irrelevant to us?
    heaven/hell, god/satan/jesus, saints/prophets/spirits.... it's all the same crap.

    If I don't believe in one, then I don't believe in any other. I don't believe in a soul. Once my physical being is gone, that's it. My "soul" (i.e. my brain matter, neurons, synaptic connections, ionic and electrical events) is a part of my physical being and when not nourished by oxygen, will perish.

    If you're going to preach your beliefs here, then I have a right to preach mine.

    Might I "suggest" (as you so frequently like to do so) you watch this video essay about a Christian's deconversion. It is intelligent, analytical, free of jargon, and honest:
    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA0C3C1D163BE880A


    Strawman

    Strawman Christianity can be defeated.

    I don't have Strawman Christianity.
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    Jun 12, 2013 11:42 AM GMT
    gayinterest

    Once my physical being is gone, that's it. My "soul" (i.e. my brain matter, neurons, synaptic connections, ionic and electrical events) is a part of my physical being and when not nourished by oxygen, will perish.


    StephenOABC

    You haven't studied consciousness. You are quite mistaken on how consciousness works.

    (Just as religion can be corrupting, science can be corrupting.)

    Consciousness survives the death of the brain.
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    Jun 12, 2013 3:01 PM GMT
    no. no it doesn't.
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    Jun 13, 2013 2:32 AM GMT
    gayinterest saidno. no it doesn't.


    There is nolocality between atoms a galaxy apart.

    From Quantum Mechanics to other fields of study already mentioned, the facts are not with your statement.

    We've even seen an experiment with a dog and his owner.

    The owner leaves the house for a far away ride in his car. The moment the owner intends to return home, the dog goes to the front door to wait for him to come through the front door.

    Synchronicity by Carl Jung should be worthwhile reading for this discussion.
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    Jun 14, 2013 10:45 AM GMT
    This weekend I'm reading part of a book called The Good Energy Book: Creating Harmony and Balance for Yourself and your Home by Tess Whitehurst.

    Chapter 5: Earthbound Entities 101

    Earthbound Dynamics (What exactly are earthbound entities?)
    Conventional Wisdom:
    The Trapped-Soul Hypothesis
    The Soul-Fragment Hypothesis
    The Memory-Imprint or Energetic-Imprint Hypothesis
    The Parasitic-Imprint or the Masquerading-Imprint Hypothesis
    A Word on Light Beings and Spirit Helpers

    What is the I-Ching? Is it a spiritual Sage, the personification of the wisdom of masters in Asia over centuries--the energetic imprint of conclusions on human behavior analyzed by masters?
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    Jun 14, 2013 11:01 AM GMT
    Maybe read less, and go outdoors and interact with real life people. It might change your perspective.
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    Jun 14, 2013 11:11 AM GMT
    gayinterest saidMaybe read less, and go outdoors and interact with real life people. It might change your perspective.


    I do a lot of that but I'm under a Saturn influence geographically rather than under a Venus influence geographically.

    If I move to a third city, say under a Mars influence, my social life would be different, there too.

    If I moved to a fourth city, say under a Mercury influence, I would communicate (listening, reading, speaking, writing) even MORE.

    If I moved to a fifth city, say under a North Node influence, for me, one of four North Node places on the globe would be in the vicinity of Rome, I would have a more soul-fulfilling existence.

    -Based on the writings of Jim Lewis, author of Astro-Carto-Graphy

    Yes, I do a lot of that but men and women don't want to go with me to the laundromat after we sleep together when it's time to clean the sheets. I don't want nap buddies, affection buddies, JO buddies and buddettes who don't "go to the river" to wash and replenish the furnishings of life.

    People I like do these things. With this small desire fulfilled, a couple's responsibility is given more.
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    Jun 14, 2013 11:18 AM GMT
    A Black lady speaks about the I-Ching Sage.

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    Jun 22, 2013 12:07 PM GMT
    And as for you being an atheist, atheism is good to practice sometimes and is certainly good against notions of God that are weak or less than weak.
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    Jun 24, 2013 9:51 AM GMT
    Atheism in not something one practices. It is quite the opposite. Atheism is a rejection of practice.