Protein before or after?

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    Apr 17, 2013 4:42 AM GMT
    Does it matter when you consume protein when you are trying to build muscle?
    Does it make a difference if you drink/eat it before your work out compared to after you work out?
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    Apr 17, 2013 3:02 PM GMT
    Do both, too much isn't a big deal usually, too little and u won't get the results u want
  • Montague

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    Apr 17, 2013 3:04 PM GMT
    Both!! It can be done twice a day and helps supplement lack of quick protein intake from food! icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 17, 2013 3:20 PM GMT
    First thing in the morning - I do protein powder with mixed grains and a ton of fruit.

    I prefer to workout mid-day.

    Protein shake as soon as I am done.

    Seems to work.

  • LJay

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    Apr 17, 2013 3:28 PM GMT
    Cash saidFirst thing in the morning - I do protein powder with mixed grains and a ton of fruit.

    I prefer to workout mid-day.

    Protein shake as soon as I am done.

    Seems to work.



    And what do you shake to get the protein?
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    Apr 17, 2013 3:35 PM GMT
    You need a constant source of protein 24/7 when you're gaining. Food and shakes to supplement during the day, and a casein shake before bed to slowly digest as you sleep.

    Protein within 30 min of conclusion of your workout is critical. Usually I do 30g of simple carbs immediately after workout, wait 10-15 minutes, then slam a protein shake with 30g+ of protein. The carbs induce an insulin spike which essentially tells your body "Heads up! Store what I'm about to throw at you!"

    When you are trying to gain, really the only time you should start to feel hungry is mid-workout. If you are hungry (not just bored) your body is tryin to tell you it needs nutrients.
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    Apr 17, 2013 3:38 PM GMT
    Johnnyhotsauce saidDo both, too much isn't a big deal usually, too little and u won't get the results u want


    It scares me to hear people says things like this. Too much protein can do serious damage to your liver, so yes, taking too much IS a big deal.

    To determine how many grams of protein you should eat daily divide your weight by two. The OP is just shy of 200 pounds, so he should ideally stay under 100g of protein daily. And, try to get your protein from real whole food whenever possible. Protein powders can be really sketchy as the protein sources are not usually the best quality. Be very careful of the quality of protein you buy.

    That being said, if I'm doing a morning workout, I will down a half dose of protein and a small banana before leaving for the gym. It digests quickly and will keep you from feeling light headed during your workout. If I know I can't get to a good source of food after workout meal, I'll take a full shake within an hour after working out, but then make sure I get a meal shortly thereafter.
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    Apr 17, 2013 5:19 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    Johnnyhotsauce saidDo both, too much isn't a big deal usually, too little and u won't get the results u want


    It scares me to hear people says things like this. Too much protein can do serious damage to your liver, so yes, taking too much IS a big deal.

    To determine how many grams of protein you should eat daily divide your weight by two. The OP is just shy of 200 pounds, so he should ideally stay under 100g of protein daily. And, try to get your protein from real whole food whenever possible. Protein powders can be really sketchy as the protein sources are not usually the best quality. Be very careful of the quality of protein you buy.

    That being said, if I'm doing a morning workout, I will down a half dose of protein and a small banana before leaving for the gym. It digests quickly and will keep you from feeling light headed during your workout. If I know I can't get to a good source of food after workout meal, I'll take a full shake within an hour after working out, but then make sure I get a meal shortly thereafter.


    if he's trying to build muscles, he needs to eat 1-1.5g protein / lb ..
    with 100g of protein, he will barely maintain.. but yes tooo much protein lets say 400g is too much and is a waste
    Also it's best to consume some protein after a workout, your body needs the protein to help your muscles recover
  • Medjai

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    Apr 17, 2013 5:38 PM GMT
    jK87 said
    if he's trying to build muscles, he needs to eat 1-1.5g protein / lb ..
    with 100g of protein, he will barely maintain.. but yes tooo much protein lets say 400g is too much and is a waste
    Also it's best to consume some protein after a workout, your body needs the protein to help your muscles recover


    The actual ratio is 1-1.5g/kg, not /lbs. the range you gave actually surpasses the recommended ceiling of 3.5g/kg.

    If you go higher than that, you can cause liver and kidney damage, as well as experience some pretty severe symptoms like hyperammonemia. Measurement systems are hugely important here, and sticking to metric will make it easier.
  • Whipmagic

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    Apr 17, 2013 5:43 PM GMT
    I recently consulted with a nutritionist, and she told me that I was probably overemphasizing proteins (a bar (30g) before, and a shake with added glutamine and creatine after), and should actually add quite a bit of carbs to my pre-workout intake to fuel it better. It's hard to tell whether this really made a difference, but at least according to her I shouldn't be worried that much about pre-workout carbs getting converted to fat as I previously was.
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    Apr 17, 2013 5:53 PM GMT
    jK87 said
    Scruffypup said
    Johnnyhotsauce saidDo both, too much isn't a big deal usually, too little and u won't get the results u want


    It scares me to hear people says things like this. Too much protein can do serious damage to your liver, so yes, taking too much IS a big deal.

    To determine how many grams of protein you should eat daily divide your weight by two. The OP is just shy of 200 pounds, so he should ideally stay under 100g of protein daily. And, try to get your protein from real whole food whenever possible. Protein powders can be really sketchy as the protein sources are not usually the best quality. Be very careful of the quality of protein you buy.

    That being said, if I'm doing a morning workout, I will down a half dose of protein and a small banana before leaving for the gym. It digests quickly and will keep you from feeling light headed during your workout. If I know I can't get to a good source of food after workout meal, I'll take a full shake within an hour after working out, but then make sure I get a meal shortly thereafter.


    if he's trying to build muscles, he needs to eat 1-1.5g protein / lb ..
    with 100g of protein, he will barely maintain.. but yes tooo much protein lets say 400g is too much and is a waste
    Also it's best to consume some protein after a workout, your body needs the protein to help your muscles recover


    Check who funds the protein studies you're looking at. Almost all of them are funded by.....guess who.....protein manufacturers.
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    Apr 17, 2013 5:55 PM GMT
    LJay said
    Cash saidFirst thing in the morning - I do protein powder with mixed grains and a ton of fruit.

    I prefer to workout mid-day.

    Protein shake as soon as I am done.

    Seems to work.



    And what do you shake to get the protein?


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    he BEGS for it.
  • chi_rock

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    Apr 17, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    Protein supplement after lifting for me. Before lifting I always have some fruit & carbs.
  • MarvelBoy23

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    Apr 17, 2013 6:06 PM GMT
    I'm curious, would I benefit from a protein shake after an intense Isometrics Yoga and push-ups? I'm not looking to beef up so much as slim down, but I'd hate to lose all this muscle mass I've built up the last 2 months!
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    Apr 17, 2013 6:07 PM GMT
    nse2075 saidYou need a constant source of protein 24/7 when you're gaining. Food and shakes to supplement during the day, and a casein shake before bed to slowly digest as you sleep.

    Protein within 30 min of conclusion of your workout is critical. Usually I do 30g of simple carbs immediately after workout, wait 10-15 minutes, then slam a protein shake with 30g+ of protein. The carbs induce an insulin spike which essentially tells your body "Heads up! Store what I'm about to throw at you!"

    When you are trying to gain, really the only time you should start to feel hungry is mid-workout. If you are hungry (not just bored) your body is tryin to tell you it needs nutrients.


    Will this work if you take the carbs and protein together?
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    Apr 17, 2013 6:14 PM GMT
    Cash said
    LJay said
    Cash saidFirst thing in the morning - I do protein powder with mixed grains and a ton of fruit.

    I prefer to workout mid-day.

    Protein shake as soon as I am done.

    Seems to work.



    And what do you shake to get the protein?


    scruffypup.

    he BEGS for it.


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    Apr 17, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
    Medjai said
    jK87 said
    if he's trying to build muscles, he needs to eat 1-1.5g protein / lb ..
    with 100g of protein, he will barely maintain.. but yes tooo much protein lets say 400g is too much and is a waste
    Also it's best to consume some protein after a workout, your body needs the protein to help your muscles recover


    The actual ratio is 1-1.5g/kg, not /lbs. the range you gave actually surpasses the recommended ceiling of 3.5g/kg.

    If you go higher than that, you can cause liver and kidney damage, as well as experience some pretty severe symptoms like hyperammonemia. Measurement systems are hugely important here, and sticking to metric will make it easier.


    No I'm sure its 1-1.5g of protein per lb of body weight..
    http://www.theironden.com/threads/6228-A-road-map-for-the-beginner?highlight=protein+gain+muscle
    this isn't the only place I've seen it, I ve seen the 1-15g/lb rule many places
    not really sure where you get your information from.. I've used this rule and it works
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    Apr 17, 2013 6:36 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    jK87 said
    Scruffypup said
    Johnnyhotsauce saidDo both, too much isn't a big deal usually, too little and u won't get the results u want


    It scares me to hear people says things like this. Too much protein can do serious damage to your liver, so yes, taking too much IS a big deal.



    Check who funds the protein studies you're looking at. Almost all of them are funded by.....guess who.....protein manufacturers.


    well I get my information from other vets who have been training and living a body building type of lifestyle not from other protein manufacturers .. if your trying to get jacked/ build muscle .. 100g of protein isn't gonna get you no where.
  • Medjai

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    Apr 17, 2013 6:44 PM GMT
    jK87 said
    Medjai said
    jK87 said
    if he's trying to build muscles, he needs to eat 1-1.5g protein / lb ..
    with 100g of protein, he will barely maintain.. but yes tooo much protein lets say 400g is too much and is a waste
    Also it's best to consume some protein after a workout, your body needs the protein to help your muscles recover


    The actual ratio is 1-1.5g/kg, not /lbs. the range you gave actually surpasses the recommended ceiling of 3.5g/kg.

    If you go higher than that, you can cause liver and kidney damage, as well as experience some pretty severe symptoms like hyperammonemia. Measurement systems are hugely important here, and sticking to metric will make it easier.


    No I'm sure its 1-1.5g of protein per lb of body weight..
    http://www.theironden.com/threads/6228-A-road-map-for-the-beginner?highlight=protein+gain+muscle
    this isn't the only place I've seen it, I ve seen the 1-15g/lb rule many places
    not really sure where you get your information from.. I've used this rule and it works


    I have this from peer reviewed studies that show, at levels higher than 3.5g/kg, that organ damage can arise in human homologs.
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    Apr 17, 2013 7:26 PM GMT
    With all these "special" protein powders... Does it really matter if you have a Pre-Workout shake. or does it really make a difference. I just want to use the same powder for both before and after. *shrugs*icon_confused.gif
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    Apr 17, 2013 11:11 PM GMT
    Genre saidWith all these "special" protein powders... Does it really matter if you have a Pre-Workout shake. or does it really make a difference. I just want to use the same powder for both before and after. *shrugs*icon_confused.gif


    Those powders that are made specifically for certain times of the day have additives in them. Usually Creatine or a stimulant or Glutamine. Oddly enough, I have noticed those are the ones that tend to be the worst quality and the biggest advertising budgets with the high gloss labels. I recommend buying straight protein. If you decide you want to add Creatine to you diet, then buy Creatine. This gives you much more control on what you're putting in your body and allows you to take it when you need it.
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    Apr 18, 2013 4:22 AM GMT
    Thanks ya'll
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    Apr 18, 2013 4:44 AM GMT
    your muscles need glucose/energy before/during your workout, and protein/supplements afterwards to help rebuild your muscles & make them stronger.
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    Apr 18, 2013 5:00 PM GMT
    Guess I shoulda specified, I don't use a protein powder, just food, my liver and kidneys are fine I'm pretty sure, and ya, you don't want 2000g of protein a day, again my bad