College student writting a essay about gay marriage, should it or shouldnt it be legalized.

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    Apr 17, 2013 3:43 PM GMT
    Im a college student and the last paper due this year is an argument essay and i choose the topic of gay marriage. now my teacher knows im gay after a paper i wrote earlier this year and being in the south she likes to keep reminding us that shes a good christian. so in examples of ideas to write about for an argumentative essay she used gay marriage as an example, but her belief is the sanctity of marriage is and should only be between only a woman and a man. So i thought that i would get some opinions from you guys. to get ideas.
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    Apr 17, 2013 4:11 PM GMT
    First of all, it doesn't matter what your professor believes. It's what you believe and your stance on the issue. I don't believe you'll find any guy, who is active on these forums, that will tell you that gay marriage is wrong.

    Second and because this is a paper you're writing, you need to find credible sources to support your stance: journals, periodicals, articles, etc. You can listen to us babble about what we think of gay marriage and while it can be insightful, your best bet is to do some scholarly research and write your essay from there.

    Good luck to you!
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    Apr 17, 2013 4:12 PM GMT
    Eric101 said, " I don't believe you'll find any guy, who is active on these forums, that will tell you that gay marriage is wrong."

    Unfortunately, there are.
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    Apr 17, 2013 4:18 PM GMT
    Can we men not be part of a failing institution ? Instead of the word marriage how about using a more kinder word like a union . the word marriage has an ending in divorce .
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    Apr 17, 2013 4:22 PM GMT
    Homesteaders saidCan we men not be part of a failing institution ? Instead of the word marriage how about using a more kinder word like a union . the word marriage has an ending in divorce .


    Separate but equal hasn't really worked out well. Whether or not a marriage ends in divorce is solely up to the two people in it. icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 17, 2013 4:29 PM GMT
    meninlove said Eric101 said, " I don't believe you'll find any guy, who is active on these forums, that will tell you that gay marriage is wrong."

    Unfortunately, there are.


    That's really sad!
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    Apr 17, 2013 5:08 PM GMT
    You should probably tell us what the class is if we are to give input about whether a certain topic is good or not.

    Also, I'd say that most professors I've had haven't graded papers with bias. In my experience with TAs, though, I've noticed that their own perspectives do really color how they grade you. That's just my experience.
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    Apr 17, 2013 5:13 PM GMT
    toker0, here's a vid that may assist you. Marriage for gay people was overwhelming approved in New Zealand and is now legal.

    Here's what an admirable Conservative MP had to say (and I'm completely blown away by this guy) :

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    Apr 17, 2013 5:25 PM GMT
    Write what you believe, don't let others influence you unless you feel it as a good point.
    And when you write, stick to the truth, if you write something wrong unintentionally be ready to rectify.
    Don't let others disprove what you write unless they have a proper, reasonable, rational argument.
    Don't let others discourage you. If the whole world is against you, let it be. If you write what you believe as right then you will find out that the whole world is wrong.

    But, don't settle on your opinion alone...even if you are perfect, there still may be some improvements required.
    So, always be open minded about what you write.
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    Apr 17, 2013 7:52 PM GMT
    Erik101 saidFirst of all, it doesn't matter what your professor believes. It's what you believe and your stance on the issue. I don't believe you'll find any guy, who is active on these forums, that will tell you that gay marriage is wrong.

    Second and because this is a paper you're writing, you need to find credible sources to support your stance: journals, periodicals, articles, etc. You can listen to us babble about what we think of gay marriage and while it can be insightful, your best bet is to do some scholarly research and write your essay from there.

    Good luck to you!


    thanks buddy its not that i have no life and wanna sit and read every single message but more so that id like to hear everyones thoughts to spark an idea that i may have never considered or thought about. just to get some inspiration from others i know the gist of what everyone here will say i just wanted to be able to cover more instead of missing a idea
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    Apr 17, 2013 7:59 PM GMT
    KJSharp saidYou should probably tell us what the class is if we are to give input about whether a certain topic is good or not.

    Also, I'd say that most professors I've had haven't graded papers with bias. In my experience with TAs, though, I've noticed that their own perspectives do really color how they grade you. That's just my experience.


    Its my Eng 101 class but yea me and her have bumped heads but i talked to her and the paper that i wrote about me coming out she had said in private that it was very well written and she was glad that i was courageous enough to write about something so personal. other then that i just wanted to see if there might be other thoughts that others had that i may never had really thought about not in a way that im stealing other peoples ideas but more like some stuff i never might of considered
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    Apr 17, 2013 11:10 PM GMT
    Ok, then I wouldn't worry about it dude, just write what you want.
  • 1blind_dog

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    Apr 17, 2013 11:23 PM GMT
    Did you choose the subject because it's what you're truly interested in writing about or because you want to contradict your teacher and hopefully get her to rethink her beliefs on the matter?
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    toker0 saidIm a college student and the last paper due this year is an argument essay and i choose the topic of gay marriage. now my teacher knows im gay after a paper i wrote earlier this year and being in the south she likes to keep reminding us that shes a good christian. so in examples of ideas to write about for an argumentative essay she used gay marriage as an example, but her belief is the sanctity of marriage is and should only be between only a woman and a man. So i thought that i would get some opinions from you guys. to get ideas.



    You can always back those Christians into a corner with arguments for polygamy. All the Rock stars in the Old Testament had multiple wives so that must be how God wanted it. So why is polygamy not OK now? Hmmmmm...
  • pharmstudent

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    Apr 18, 2013 12:09 AM GMT
    Let me tell you something, most college English professors are always turned on by racism and homosexuality in writing so don't let her Christian persona fool you. Since this is a college level paper, your argument should be fact based. Try to refrain from using your voice or your own opinion and present a well factual and well researched paper. You should have at lest 10 literally article or journals for a 1000 world argumentative paper. If you need proofreading or pointers let me know.
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    Apr 18, 2013 12:15 AM GMT
    You want arguments for gay marriage? Read the arguments in the supreme court case gay marriage case of a couple weeks ago. I can't believe that there wasn't a a good argument that the lawyers did not cover.
  • O5vx

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    Apr 18, 2013 1:09 AM GMT
    There are several ways to write a well articulating essay that highlight your idea on the topic. An argumentative essay suggest that you needed write it in APA format using lot of sources to back up your idea. Keep in mind that a well written argumentative essay should answer all the important questions relating to the topic. It should provide evidence as to why the counter argument is wrong.
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    Apr 18, 2013 2:07 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    Homesteaders saidCan we men not be part of a failing institution ? Instead of the word marriage how about using a more kinder word like a union . the word marriage has an ending in divorce .


    Separate but equal hasn't really worked out well. Whether or not a marriage ends in divorce is solely up to the two people in it. icon_wink.gif


    I would not compare the same sex marriage struggle to the struggles faced by African Americans in decades past. They experienced true "separate, but equal." Well more like, "separate, and not equal at all." This whole marriage debate and cries about inequality is getting old. You don't have to drink from separate water fountains or sit in the back of a bus. You don't get hosed down by bigoted police officers or prohibited from entering a public university. This was reality in 1960. Yes the current system is unfair, but there are better solutions.

    The best solution to this marriage debate is for the government to no longer license marriage. Get rid of all these outdated laws, licensing, etc. Then everyone will be EQUAL - single people, gay people, polygamists. straight couples, etc etc. Easy solution. The tax code is also outdated as well.

    Lastly, I'm tired of gays always playing the victim card. Pick up a history book or watch some documentaries of the treatment of minority groups from decades past. While it sucks to hide your orientation, at least you can in a hostile environment! Other minorities can't hide their skin color.
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    Apr 18, 2013 2:16 AM GMT
    Try to answer the question as well as you can, with the best evidence and arguments that you can. Let that lead you in your conclusions. Be scrupulously honest and open.

    Your teacher`s personal views, however well you think you know them, are not really relevant.

    It may seem obvious, but pay attention to language, grammar, spelling, etc. This well done will give you a stronger foundation in any arguments. I did a mixed degree of the humanities and the sciences and found the latter undergraduates often were rather poor at correct literary expression and lost a lot of marks needlessly.

    Be prepared for criticism as that`s partly the purpose of the exercise; to show you how to think and argue. Leave personal feelings aside. You`re the one to gain; a better thinker and arguer.

    Best wishes!
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    Apr 18, 2013 3:32 AM GMT
    You can argue that The Bible isn't a credible source to back up the sanctity of marriage because, let's face it, it was a book written thousands of years ago. For all we know, it could be fiction. Not to mention, it was written in Hebrew and the new testament in Greek....there's a "slight" possibility that things were lost in translation along the way.

    There's even other evidence that suggests that the whole concept of religion is actually based on ASTRONOMY, that traces back to Ancient Egypt. I suggest you watch "Zeitgest: The Greatest Story Ever Told". You can catch it on youtube.

    I would also do some research about the rise in divorce rates among heteros...that always helps (since it's been increasing). You can also use "the family" as support, pending that you find research that says homosexual parents have very stable children or something along those lines.

    I would also compare how gay marriage and the fact that it's being debated today is like how we used to have to debate the whole notion of interracial marriage back in the day. And how it's the exact same kind of close mindedness and prejudice.

    Good luck.
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    Apr 18, 2013 3:43 AM GMT
    Erik101 saidFirst of all, it doesn't matter what your professor believes. It's what you believe and your stance on the issue. I don't believe you'll find any guy, who is active on these forums, that will tell you that gay marriage is wrong.


    That isn't true we have our gay hippies too.
  • Montague

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    Apr 18, 2013 3:53 AM GMT
    I would write about the benefits of genocide. ;)
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    Apr 18, 2013 3:56 AM GMT
    Hey Toker0,

    Good Luck on your paper and here is some research that might help you. There is a synopsis at the beginning and the website for the paper.

    More than 25 years of research have documented that there is no relationship between parents' sexual orientation and any measure of a child's emotional, psychosocial, and behavioral adjustment. These data have demonstrated no risk to children as a result of growing up in a family with 1 or more gay parents. Conscientious and nurturing adults, whether they are men or women, heterosexual or homosexual, can be excellent parents. The rights, benefits, and protections of civil marriage can further strengthen these families

    Website: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/118/1/349.full

    A review of the psychological research into the well-being of children raised by same-sex and opposite-sex parents continues to indicate that there are no reliable differences in their mental health or social adjustment and that lesbian mothers and gay fathers are not less fit as parents than are their heterosexual counterparts. The opposition to marriage of same-sex couples, on the grounds that it fails to consider the needs or rights of children, does not consider the most relevant body of psychological research into this topic or draws inaccurate conclusions from it. Further, opposition to marriage of same-sex couples often incorrectly pre-supposes that, by preventing marriage of same-sex couples, no children will be born or raised within families where parents are of the same sex. Such as argument ignores the reality that children are, and will continue to be, born to and raised by parents who are married, those who are unmarried, those who are cohabitating, and those who are single – most of whom will be heterosexual, some of whom will be gay, and some of whom will be lesbian. Further, the literature (including the literature on which opponents to marriage of same-sex couples appear to rely) indicates that parents’ financial, psychological and physical well-being is enhanced by marriage and that children benefit from being raised by two parents within a legally-recognized union. As the CPA stated in 2003, the stressors encountered by gay and lesbian parents and their children are more likely the result of the way in which society treats them than because of any deficiencies in fitness to parent. The CPA recognizes and appreciates that persons and institutions are entitled to their opinions and positions on this issue. However, CPA is concerned that some are mis-interpreting the findings of psychological research to support their positions, when their positions are more accurately based on other systems of belief or values.

    Website: http://www.cpa.ca/cpasite/userfiles/Documents/Marriage%20of%20Same-Sex%20Couples%20Position%20Statement%20-%20October%202006%20(1).pdf

    Relatively few studies have directly examined gay fathers, but those that exist find that gay men are similarly fit and able parents, as compared to heterosexual men. Available empirical data do not provide a basis for assuming gay men are unsuited for parenthood. If gay parents were inherently unfit, even small studies with convenience samples would readily detect it. This has not been the case. Being raised by a single father does not appear to inherently disadvantage children’s psychological wellbeing more than being raised by a single mother. Homosexuality does not constitute a pathology or deficit, and there is no theoretical reason to expect gay fathers to cause harm to their children. Thus, although more research is needed, available data place the burden of empirical proof on those who argue that having a gay father is harmful.

    Website: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2010/10/27/amicus29.pdf
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    Apr 18, 2013 4:53 AM GMT
    wcubrad23 saidLastly, I'm tired of gays always playing the victim card. Pick up a history book or watch some documentaries of the treatment of minority groups from decades past. While it sucks to hide your orientation, at least you can in a hostile environment! Other minorities can't hide their skin color.

    While it's true, it's easier to hide, you must realize you're defeating your own argument. At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, please tell our readers if it was difficult for Jews to hide their ethnicity from the Gestapo. The ability to hide didn't stop the Nazis from searching and often succeeding. Oh, that's right...they also rounded up homosexuals.

    So this century, in these first- and second-world countries, minorities (including gays) aren't as troubled as the last century. Each minority, from women to the Irish to Africans to gays has to fight for their foothold in equality. The fighting that African-Americans had to do for equality hasn't ended yet either, but their fight is ours too. Do you vote for candidates that support equal pay for women? Then you're part of the solution, right?

    Not that you've noticed, but third-world countries have a still-hideous record on human rights; many countries treat women as second-class (or non-) citizens. Differing religious sects are violently hunted. And gays are imprisoned and/or executed.

    So support our country's effort at civilization, and stop diminishing the combined effort we've all had to effect to create a century that is better than the last. Or get the hell out of the way, because this stuff is important to us.
  • MidwesternKid

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    Apr 18, 2013 5:20 AM GMT
    I attended a private christian university and I found that my professors were more open minded than the a** wipes I went to school with. I wouldn't expect things to go south as long as you follow the assignment.