California African American Churches

  • metta

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    Oct 19, 2008 3:15 AM GMT
    Is there something that we can do to get them to ask their congregation to vote no on prop 8 even though many of them have been telling them to vote yes?

    I was thinking about sending emails to them that said something like:

    "Wouldn't it be an ironic and sad thing if Obama became President by inadvertantly pushing a minority group of people to the back of the bus?"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-ocamb/are-democrats-throwing-ga_b_134032.html


    http://www.blackandchristian.com/reg/Western_California.shtml

    http://www.aawc.com/Zaac.html

    http://www.bcamechurch.org/




    What do you guys think we could do to get them to reconsider their support for Prop 8? But then again, I don't want to make things worse either.

    What to do....what to do...
  • metta

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    Oct 19, 2008 3:24 AM GMT
  • metta

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    Oct 19, 2008 4:46 AM GMT
  • metta

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    Oct 19, 2008 2:41 PM GMT
    no suggestions? icon_sad.gif



    "If Prop 8 passes, it would be an ugly addition to U.S. history ( remember the Jim Crow laws mandating segregation and the Japanese Internment, to mention a couple) where a majority has stripped rights away from a minority." Prop 8 would use the State Constitution to take away the rights of a minority.

    All of these newspapers have spoken out against Prop 8:

    The Los Angeles Times
    The San Francisco Chronicle
    The San Diego Union-Tribune
    The Orange County Register
    The Sacramento Bee
    The San Jose Mercury News
    The New York Times
    La OpiniĆ³n
    La Prensa
    The Redding Record-Searchlight
    The Ventura Star
    The Vacaville Register
    The Desert Sun
    The Napa Valley Register
    The Tracy Press
    The Contra Costa Times
    The Santa Cruz Sentinel
    The Milpitas Post
    The San Gabrial Valley Tribune
    The Pasadena Star-News
    The Press-Enterprise
    Bakersfield Californian
    Bilingual East-LA Newsgroup (which are the papers listed below)
    Bell Gardens Sun
    City Terrace Comet
    Commerce Comet
    East Los Angeles Brooklyn-Belvedere Comet
    Eastside Sun (Boyle Heights, East LA)
    Mexican American Sun
    Montebello Comet
    Monterey Park Comet
    Northeast Sun (Highland Park, Cypress Park, Glassell Park, Eagle Rock, El Sereno, Lincoln Heights)
    Wyvernwood Chronicle

    The California Teachers Association has donated $1 million to No On Prop 8 because they realize that Proposition 8 is wrong and because of the misleading commercials from the other side. But the No On Prop 8 campaign is still behind.
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    Oct 19, 2008 3:15 PM GMT
    metta8 said

    I was thinking about sending emails to them that said something like:

    "Wouldn't it be an ironic and sad thing if Obama became President by inadvertantly pushing a minority group of people to the back of the bus?"



    Warning....DO NOT SEND A BLACK CHURCH AN E-MAIL LIKE THAT. You surely would be thrown UNDER a bus for doing that one. See homosexuality in the black community is a difficult topic. So making a correlation of homosexuality and the history of being black in the US would not only be offensive to many black people, it most likely would completely turn them off to your message. Do I have an answer for you as to what to say to them...no...sorry. However I would recommend setting up personal conversations with some of the higher-ups in the church to see where they are coming from in their support of Prop 8. They may bring up some of the things in the bible, and be prepared for that, but I would be most prepared to talk to them about if such a proposition passes how it can hurt CA as a whole. But I'm definitely no expert. Just don't send them a message like that, Lol.
  • metta

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    Oct 19, 2008 3:25 PM GMT
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    thanks....I'm not a Christian so I don't think that it would be a good idea for me to meet with them either.

    We only have 2 weeks left....and we need opinions to change to defeat it.

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    Oct 19, 2008 3:53 PM GMT
    That California constitution ad was great! just perfect! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 19, 2008 4:03 PM GMT
    As far as Obama and prop 8 .. he has publicly stated that he is against it. NATIONALLY He has also hinted at the approach that should be taken. That is establish "gay civil rights" first (which he supports) Once equality is established, marriage will follow. I think he really supports marriage for gays but knows he cannot push it and win the election. I would rather have him table it for now and help us get a start with simple things like ENDA and DADT. Also if he takes out DOMA like he says he wants to, then it would be easier to take marriage from one state to another. That would eventually lead to gay marriage in every state.
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    Oct 19, 2008 7:49 PM GMT
    Here's my contribution. Notice one of us in this PSA is Black...

  • metta

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    Oct 19, 2008 11:31 PM GMT
    The Yes on 8 campaign is calling every single voter to convince them to vote yes on 8. icon_sad.gif


    I was just called. My other friends are telling me that they are getting calls. I have not had any calls from the No on 8 campaign.

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    Oct 19, 2008 11:54 PM GMT
    Just tell the Yes On 8 people that they are un-American bigots, and that you'd like to say more, but you're trying to perform oral sex on your husband and can't talk with your mouth full!
  • metta

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    Oct 20, 2008 12:27 AM GMT
    Well, I don't think that would be helpful. What I did was try to keep him on the phone as long as I could stand it.
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    Oct 21, 2008 6:24 PM GMT
    metta8 saidIs there something that we can do to get them to ask their congregation to vote no on prop 8 even though many of them have been telling them to vote yes?

    I was thinking about sending emails to them that said something like:

    "Wouldn't it be an ironic and sad thing if Obama became President by inadvertantly pushing a minority group of people to the back of the bus?"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-ocamb/are-democrats-throwing-ga_b_134032.html


    http://www.blackandchristian.com/reg/Western_California.shtml

    http://www.aawc.com/Zaac.html

    http://www.bcamechurch.org/




    What do you guys think we could do to get them to reconsider their support for Prop 8? But then again, I don't want to make things worse either.

    What to do....what to do...


    Have you ever contacted an African-American church?

    Have you ever attempted to work with African-American churches on issues other than those that might benefit you?
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    Oct 21, 2008 8:14 PM GMT
    Lets not forget these people have a RIGHT to use THEIR vote, how they feel fit, after all it is their vote. You may not agree with it, but you have your vote to use as you wish, no matter what they may think, or feel about that. I'm sure lord forbid if any Christain tried to campaign you to use your vote, as they want it used. Would you not feel outrage.

    The fact that I live in a democracy, such actions are illegal.

    As a pure homosexual, who was born in the dark days of gay culture, and who come out when it was not safe to do so, as it is now days. I know how fortunate we are today, and I've seen the advancements we have made out of the dark ages.

    As a true blue Aussie, the real thing. I live in a land were New Australians, Australians get rights I don't have. Also the gays of this state have more rights than I do too, as they are able to have a commitment ceremony to the one they love, yet I have two, and I have no right to a commitment ceremony to them! But I don't play the victim, nor am I bitter or angry about it. I am blessed to be loved to two great and wonderful men, and have been for many years now. A peace of paper can not give this, nor guarantee it either.

    lets not forget either those who have the right to wed the one they feel they love. Then things change, they become lonely people trying to forget each others names. You live together and then you do even say hello, all those way to young to know. Marriage has it's pitfalls too, you will be apart of that, and I never will.